paul@rettotrials Posted May 29, 2007 Report Share Posted May 29, 2007 (edited) well after reading the on/off side hop topic and seeing that no one can agree i made this poll to see what people prefer. and i dont want any b*tching in here. oh and i think that they do count. Edited May 29, 2007 by paul@rettotrials Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
samo Posted May 29, 2007 Report Share Posted May 29, 2007 COUNT COUNT COUNT !!!!!!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tony Harrison Posted May 29, 2007 Report Share Posted May 29, 2007 What do you mean, do they 'count'?! I thought trials was about conquering an obstacle, not throwing down claims in inches. As far as the traditional rules of trials go, of course it doesn't count. Unless you do it, you'll 'five'.Is that why people ride now? To get bigger numbers? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ilikeriding Posted May 29, 2007 Report Share Posted May 29, 2007 (edited) What do you mean, do they 'count'?! I thought trials was about conquering an obstacle, not throwing down claims in inches. As far as the traditional rules of trials go, of course it doesn't count. Unless you do it, you'll 'five'.Is that why people ride now? To get bigger numbers?I don't really see much of a problem with that, If you look at pretty much any other sport thats the idea they're based around. Edited May 29, 2007 by afroman Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
munkee Posted May 29, 2007 Report Share Posted May 29, 2007 if its on/off it doesnt count.. you arent in control of the bike. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tony Harrison Posted May 29, 2007 Report Share Posted May 29, 2007 True, and after all it's about what you find fun. But I always found athletics a bit boring. Just one high jump/triple jump/shot put after another. Watching moto trials videos was always so much more interesting, trying to work out just how they were going to get all the way through the section. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Danny Kearns Posted May 29, 2007 Report Share Posted May 29, 2007 So your telling me in that picture. I am tucked a shit load yet my bike is tilted towards the way i need to keep on the wall and you can see i am clearly on top of the wall your telling me because i did hop back off the other side after about 4 seconds of stalling in a tuck that it didnt count ?Bullshit.Danny. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ben_travis Posted May 29, 2007 Report Share Posted May 29, 2007 but it would have looked way better if you had kept control and stood up on the bike balancing on the wall danny.u know it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ilikeriding Posted May 29, 2007 Report Share Posted May 29, 2007 So your telling me in that picture. I am tucked a shit load yet my bike is tilted towards the way i need to keep on the wall and you can see i am clearly on top of the wall your telling me because i did hop back off the other side after about 4 seconds of stalling in a tuck that it didnt count ?Bullshit.Danny.yeh, you didnt purposefully hop off, if you could have kept it you would have. I bet you wouldnt abubuca a wall and say you landed the tap. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tony Harrison Posted May 29, 2007 Report Share Posted May 29, 2007 I still don't know what you mean by does it 'count'. To me, a sidehop is when you hop off the ground onto an object and stay there. If you don't stay there, what's the f'cking point?! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ben_travis Posted May 29, 2007 Report Share Posted May 29, 2007 I still don't know what you mean by does it 'count'. To me, a sidehop is when you hop off the ground onto an object and stay there. If you don't stay there, what's the f'cking point?!exactly son. exactly Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Danny Kearns Posted May 29, 2007 Report Share Posted May 29, 2007 How i see it is. For example. In Gaz M's latest video. Towards the end he is sidehopping some huge walls which he is just sidehopping on to and in no way balanceing he just literally jumps straight back off. He HAS made the height but not being able to stay on top of the wall, so it is clear he CAN sidehop that height just not able to control it once he's up there. But in videos where people get on top of the wall and manage to tuck and hold it for a few seconds and just slightly loose there balance and have to hop back off means it doesnt count ?Danny. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ben_travis Posted May 29, 2007 Report Share Posted May 29, 2007 How i see it is. For example. In Gaz M's latest video. Towards the end he is sidehopping some huge walls which he is just sidehopping on to and in no way balanceing he just literally jumps straight back off. He HAS made the height but not being able to stay on top of the wall, so it is clear he CAN sidehop that height just not able to control it once he's up there. But in videos where people get on top of the wall and manage to tuck and hold it for a few seconds and just slightly loose there balance and have to hop back off means it doesnt count ?Danny. In my opinion danny........NO it doesnt, if your keeping it for that long then you have plenty of chance to keep it up on the wall then maybe move off straight into another line. I have tried in many of my videos to ride lines rather than single moves. When im riding i have become more imaginative and trying to ride lines rather than single moves, HOWEVER, in videos it looks crap filming long lines (probably why many comp videos are boring to watch).So i end up filming single moves. You will see a change in my next video though .but seriously danny, i accept you HAVE made the height, but that challenge in trials is going big and balancing and keeping it on top of the obstacle. Keep it on top of the height and i will be happy.This is something me and damon have spoke about before, it really dont look as good as staying on, i have LOADS of footage of me doing on/off's but i never ever use it. I still like ur riding though danny, very impressive for someone so young, i just think you lot need to chill out on the ON/OFF debate. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Danny Kearns Posted May 29, 2007 Report Share Posted May 29, 2007 In my opinion danny........NO it doesnt, if your keeping it for that long then you have plenty of chance to keep it up on the wall then maybe move off straight into another line. I have tried in many of my videos to ride lines rather than single moves. When im riding i have become more imaginative and trying to ride lines rather than single moves, HOWEVER, in videos it looks crap filming long lines (probably why many comp videos are boring to watch).So i end up filming single moves. You will see a change in my next video though .but seriously danny, i accept you HAVE made the height, but that challenge in trials is going big and balancing and keeping it on top of the obstacle. Keep it on top of the height and i will be happy.This is something me and damon have spoke about before, it really dont look as good as staying on, i have LOADS of footage of me doing on/off's but i never ever use it. I still like ur riding though danny, very impressive for someone so young, i just think you lot need to chill out on the ON/OFF debate.Cheers Ben. Always loved your video's. Ill try my best to keep on top of the walls in future. Now im on a stock it seems easier to sidehop .Thanks for that Ben.Danny. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghetto Rider Posted May 29, 2007 Report Share Posted May 29, 2007 it's like saying "I back wheeled 8 pallets with a bump, got it to back wheel but had to jump off because i was too tucked... still had it though"It don't count unless you stay on it!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Waynio Posted May 29, 2007 Report Share Posted May 29, 2007 ^^^ ^^^ ^^^ good post.IF that object was in front of you and you jump on and off, you clearly have not made it, clean and clearMy sidehop in trial noir near the end,onto the wall in keighley, Akrigg said, it would look better if you can do it and ride along the top of it. as opposed to jumping up and then jumping back off seconds later.looks cleaner sweeter and makes a perfect move, it goes for anything and everything (taps, gaps, drops), videos are now very deceiving? as long as your having fun and enjoying what you are doing dont worry, in theory someone has put this post up and it is a discussion some people will think its "ok" some people will think its "not" i personally train myself to do it how i wish to do it... each to their ownits all about your balance and weight transfer, your picture danny obviously shows you that you can sidehop, but you cant then correct and balance on the top (IF you keep or always find you jump off a sidehop over a certain height)only my opinion but it seems to be the opinion of a majority.Waynio............................ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
N.Wood Posted May 29, 2007 Report Share Posted May 29, 2007 http://www.trials-forum.co.uk/forum/index....showtopic=98670Why do we need 2 identicle threads for this?Ends up with Danny Kearns, Gareth Merideth and co saying it counts, and the rest of the world saying it doesn't. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Danny Kearns Posted May 29, 2007 Report Share Posted May 29, 2007 http://www.trials-forum.co.uk/forum/index....showtopic=98670Why do we need 2 identicle threads for this?Ends up with Danny Kearns, Gareth Merideth and co saying it counts, and the rest of the world saying it doesn't.No its just that only about 15 members of the whole forum have only posted.Crikey you do my head in.Danny. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Si-man Posted May 29, 2007 Report Share Posted May 29, 2007 I still don't know what you mean by does it 'count'. To me, a sidehop is when you hop off the ground onto an object and stay there. If you don't stay there, what's the f'cking point?!Ay men. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pengsmelly Posted May 29, 2007 Report Share Posted May 29, 2007 well i think they count because you still made it up there, but you just got down quick. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Waynio Posted May 29, 2007 Report Share Posted May 29, 2007 the people that obviously think they count are the people that cant actually hold it up there, or cant keep it up......lets hope their bedroom antics aint the same or they may struggle with the ladies.its like snappel (ian) has said, why try sidehop something to get up, n touch the top for a split second then fall back off? Waynio............................. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dani. Posted May 29, 2007 Report Share Posted May 29, 2007 I don't really see what there is to debate about. Frankly, on/offs look shit and demand less skill than holding it BUT if you can on/off a wall the you're pretty damn close to holding it on there anyway (unless the top is sloped) so why not just wait untill you can make it properly before putting it in a video? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davetrials Posted May 29, 2007 Report Share Posted May 29, 2007 How i see it is. For example. In Gaz M's latest video. Towards the end he is sidehopping some huge walls which he is just sidehopping on to and in no way balanceing he just literally jumps straight back off. He HAS made the height but not being able to stay on top of the wall, so it is clear he CAN sidehop that height just not able to control it once he's up there. But in videos where people get on top of the wall and manage to tuck and hold it for a few seconds and just slightly loose there balance and have to hop back off means it doesnt count ?Danny.that not true, if he went just a few mm higher he would have been nice and on top of it and probly kept it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Krisboats Posted May 29, 2007 Report Share Posted May 29, 2007 It don't count. Sidehops are intended to hop sidways onto an obstacle when there isn't enough room to take a run up. Now why would you be hopping onto something other than to get up it? Isn't that the point of trials, to ride over things with skill and finesse? Since when was just making something and not having the balance to keep it skillfull? Yeah it might be impressive that its another half inch higher than you can do and stay on top of, but its only half an inch, and is obviously higher than you can make. You might well be able to jump onto it, but if you've got your bike higher than your physically able to pull yourself up from then your not making it. If you were making it, then you'd be able to pull yourself up straight, but your not... so you can't. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaRtZ Posted May 29, 2007 Report Share Posted May 29, 2007 Well I guess im kinda lucky because I can do this sidehop on/off thing. I either make it or crash on the wall and destroy the paintworksnappel still has the question though. What does "count" mean? That you can sidehop that high? All it means to me is that you can get both wheels that high. Another synonym: imagine a balloon dangling high above of you, whilst your standing up. Just because you can jump up and slap the balloon, it doesn't mean you can draw a smiley face on it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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