I Got Arrested Today !

[Pashley26]

Aparently i was nicked for "general publc disturbance" wich covers anything from music players to a person walking past feeling threatened by 4 kids sitting on a bench talking and listening to music......Jack Johnson might i add !!!!

Jarrod

How did you know i listen to rage against the machine ? ? ? lol

Do you not think it's extortion of there "Power" ? surely there time would be better spent nicking the 30 chavs getting stoned by the river etc etc etc.

Fair enough we were a group of more than 3 people, fair enough we were sat on a bench in a park, fair enough you could see dan as quite threatening if you pissed him off.

But i feel like i've been got at, i'm not trying to play the oppressed/feel sorry for me bit, i'm just a bit annoyed and confused about why i was nicked and why i don't have the right to discuss (not argue, i simply asked politly the first time) why he has the right to control wether i was permitted in a PUBLIC park........i'm off to have a shower ! back in a bit.....

jarrod

[Ghetto Rider]

What i think:

1. he should have given you a reason to go?

2. 9 coppers?? on 4??

3. he said he'd seen you before??..... harassment maybe??

4. he might not of liked goths?? .... prejudice??

5. you argueing don't help?... but

I'd make a formal complaint!

hope that helps?

[Mark W]

fair enough he gave it lemon, but he had every right to.

The police ordered him to do something, apparently twice? Either way, he didn't do it. His friend said "We aren't going 'til we've done something wrong" or whatever the quote was. That's obstruction of the police, they can charge you for that or whatever the original offense was, which is what they did. As you said, the "OK, but I still don't see why?" or whatever is better than a "No" with some shitty reasoning with it.

He also wasn't in a skatepark according to his story?

[Dr. Nick Riviera]

return the toys to the pram ladies, take into account this is one side of a story via the medium of the internet.

use sparingly.

[Fixed Pants™]

He also wasn't in a skatepark according to his story?

Yeah, woops, f**ked up on that bit...

But still, even if he did non violently refuse, they shouldn't have nicked him, just had a word.

[Mark W]

i said in my best english voice "on what grounds do we have to leave ? this is a public park ?" and the fattest one said to me...."i've seen you before, your one of those TRAIL(what a joke) riders" so i said "yes i am one of those TRIALS riders, but i'm not riding at the moment i'm listening to music and talking about exams with my mates...." and he goes "YES, Very likely.....Are you going to leave or not...." and my mate dan said "well i'm not leaving until i've done something wrong" and we all agreed......the the coppa pulled out his cuffs and said "thats enough of the lip from you, your coming with me" and i said "no he's not, you've go no reason to nick' him !" and he put me on the floor and cuffed me ! i was creaming at him "GIVE ME MY FU##ING BIKE !" went skitzo..........

From the first bold part, it doesn't sound like you were polite to him at all, and that's probably the way he took it too? Bear in mind that most of the time they're going to be dealing with pikey twats who are going to be proper aggro for them, they're probably going to adopt that mindset with you too. As soon as the police realise you're not some ignorant f**k who's got nothing else better to do, they instantly give you more respect. Feel the situation out and see how you can win them around, not just try and piss them off. It's worked for me every time in the past when I've been threatened with fines for whatever reason, or caught riding somewhere I shouldn't be.

If you've given any member of the public grief before, it's likely they may have called the police and given your description in or whatever, so they police will know there's a "problem" with the people they've seen riding around town. When we got caught riding near St.Pauls, we were told that in the meetings local shopkeepers have that they always bring up skaters and BMXers, so the police now have to tell us to do move on even if they don't think we need to. If something like that's happened locally to you, then the police are probably going to be in the same situation and so trials riders WILL be regarded as a problem, and your presence won't go un-noticed. From this incident, and you identifying yourself as "One of those TRIAL riders", you haven't really helped their perception of you.

To the person who said that 9 on 4 wasn't fair, if they were chav scum and had a knife between them, that could equal a whole load of shit for the police dealing with them. As a result, they're going to act in groups if they've been asked to disperse a group of people for whatever reason.

Yeah, woops, f**ked up on that bit...

But still, even if he did non violently refuse, they shouldn't have nicked him, just had a word.

They did "have a word", and he and his friends refused to leave and vocally refused. There's not much else they can do? If this was a situation where they were 4 pikey people instead of a trials rider and some goths, you wouldn't be surprised if this course of events happened if they refused to leave. To the police, we aren't different.

[BONGO]

if a policeman asks you to do something, you do it....

Even if you don't agree. If it's something simple like move, you move. Then you don't get into any trouble at all and you forget about it in 45 seconds. Anyway, i've been in some mighty rows with police, except the way i handled myself made the policeman think it was a discussion and talked back instead of doing what he did to you. It's not whats happens, it's how it happens. I can totally disagree with a policeman and have a right go at him, but if i word it right, he doesn't take it the wrong way. I've had police come on the bounce radioing vans to get the bikes while they take us in the cars, and after 20 minutes of chatting and discussion, we've all gone our seperate ways and the policeman actually gave me his hand to shake and thanked me.

It's ALL about attitude. The second you piped up you proved his suspisions right and he couldn't be arsed with you. End of. The fact that you're a decent lad doesn't matter, becasue by piping up, you didn't demonstrate that side to him.

To me, it's a challenge when a bobby comes to me thinking i may be a thug. Prove them wrong and let them leave knowing you're a good'n. I know loads of police and they deal 90% with tit's, so they don't go to someone expecting the best. It's up to you to let them see you're sound by demonstrating your good attitude to them.

If you can't do that, then you deserve what you got. You gotta understand it from their point of view, and by the looks of it, you don't, and won't try to.

try though

Bongo

[Pashley26]

You all have very good points, fair enough.......i SHOULD have gone about it in a better way, when i say "in my best english voice" i dont mean slow and patronising, i mean a very reasonable tone pronouncing my words as they are ment to be spoken, as in; I don't see why i should leave ? and WHAT THE FAK M8 ? I AIN GAIN NAAAA WHERE..........

But when you see someone riding down the road on your bike you don't say to yourself, "i better now beat his face into a bloody pulp....he's not on my property stealing it" do you ?

i've never had any trouble with the law before, and have never been reported or even asked to move on before........

If there is a next time then i'll try and be reasonable for more than 3 sentences. but at the end of the day, if there going to nick you they'll find a way !

EDIT> All the copper had to say was "i'm asking you to move becouse some people find you threatening" or even if he said straight up "i'm askin you to move becouse i think you'll probably get drunk/stoned later on and make tits of yourselves later on."

I'm a 16 year old lad, regardless of my history the policeman with all of his training and experience he should also have realised that he wasn't communicating in the most productive way ? and that if he wanted to make an impression on us (and others) then he should relate to what there needs are. as in, we need to meet up every now and then to catch up and have a life rather than; work, msn to mates;work,msn to mates;work...............I'm not trying to twist it round to them becouse there THE LAW, but it's a bit annoying to know that watever my angle was he was going to nick one of us becouse he wanted a confrontation.....

Jarrod

Edited May 23, 2007 by Pashley26

[trials rules]

You're bound to get some cops that are dicks, he might have stayed alright if you had moved on, but its all about rights. PUBLIC park. By the way you have worded it, he didn't even try to negotiate and it sounds like he couldn't be bothered to give you the time of day so he just nicked you. You sound a bit like me, a decent fella who's considerate of other people, and if that situation happened to me i would have stuck up for myself and questioned it too, because all people shouldn't get tarred with the same brush. Also there's no need to push you to the floor if you weren't behaving violently, you see it on those police camera action type things where even when people are starting fights and pished out of their faces they get asked to put their hands behind their backs etc not just wrestled to the floor.

If a cop arrests you, you have the right to ask for his name and badge number and i think a written reason for arrest as well. Might be worth doing next time so you can take it further with half a chance.

[Gavyn.]

so did you actually get arrested and charged with something, or just warned. Sounds to me like you were cheeky to them, which is not the best plan, seen as now everytime they see you they're gonna stop/search you until they find something they can do you for. If you pissed them off then they're just gonna be twice as bad back. In future if they ask you to move just move and come back five minutes later, believe me disagreeing with a copper just earns you an asbo and there not cool.

also people will find you threatening, even if you aren't actually doing anything at that point and if you were gonna get stoned/drunk in a park then your tit's anyway.

Edited May 23, 2007 by Gavyn L

[Pashley26]

Yeah, i don't really want to make a name for myself by aruguing with cops but i think that if someone recons they have grounds to arrest me and then caution me i should know what the reasons for them wanting to bring me in before i leave my bike in the hands of a friend of police officer, i wasn't bothered about having to spend 2 hours sat in a police station getting bollocked i was worried about the condition my bike would come back in. thankfully my sister came and got my bike for me.

I was genuinly doing nothing wrong and it's all down to the type of person you are wether you believe/agree with me. I may well have argued (for want of a better word) with the police man but it wasn't necissary, if he had of approched us in a less aggressive way i wouldn't have felt threatened and been a bit funny with him. i don't think that it's right to be nicked for an offence that you wern't doing, even if they think you might commit an offence at a later date ? it proves to me in my eyes that the coppers were bored becouse they could have pulled me to one side (as they do in cop action films lol) and said i was being out of order and cautioned me on the spot, wich they can do. now i'm not to fond of them, where as if they had have treated me like an adult and shown a bit of understanding i would have appreciated it and probably thaught better of them and told my friends to button it and moved on, and i'm quite certain my friends would do the same thing becouse there all quite inteligent.

I'm just a bit pissed with the law and the general purpose of authority and being told i'm wrong even if i'm right by someone becouse they can.......

Jarrod

[anzo]

Not read all the topic, can't really be arsed. But agreeing with Bongos, it is about attitude. Cops don't reeeeally want to arrest someone if they can help it, it means a lot of hassle (especially something as minor as this). I've known police to over react, my friend for example dragged a shopping trolley out of a river and was sat in it (wheels were broken) and then they sent two cops and ran to him, pinned him down with his arm up his back and arrested him.

But to the comment that everyone in the f**king world asks 'Why aren't they acting on 'real' criminals?'...the answer to that is that they can't because they have to deal with people like you who make a f**king major issue of things.

About two years ago I had a cop come up to me and my friend, he asked us to go home becuase there was a curfew for under 18's, I agrued this and said 'If their were a cerfew in place, surely I'd have been told about it'. He said if I didn't leave he'd arrest me. So I left. On the way home I noted his name and number and rang the headquarters and enquired about the curfew, and it was obviously bullshit. I made a formal complaint to the headquarters which I got a phone call from the head cop and an apology from the cop himself.

Yes, may cops are good people, but don't forget that just because they're cops, doesn't mean to say they're perfect.

If you're that bothered, make a formal complaint...but I think you'd be wasting your time. I tried to have a civilized conversation with the cop, but he was having none of it. You on the other hand, were fitting into their stereotype of young lads perfectly.

[Token]

For a policeman, arresting one person gives them half an hours paper work. Unless they had a fetish for paper and writing, I doubt very much they arrested you for the reason of so called 'extortion of power'.

I can see this argument going on for ever and to be honest I don't actually care about what happened, you got F'd in the A. Deal with it and do as they say next time. Lesson learnt?

[Pashley26]

For a policeman, arresting one person gives them half an hours paper work. Unless they had a fetish for paper and writing, I doubt very much they arrested you for the reason of so called 'extortion of power'.

I can see this argument going on for ever and to be honest I don't actually care about what happened, you got F'd in the A. Deal with it and do as they say next time. Lesson learnt?

yeah prety much..... i kinda already knew that it's not best to argue with the law but it was heat of the moment stuff. it just annoyed me that there were 9 officers telling 4 people to leave a park when there were 30 people getting drunk and stoned at the river ?

Anyway ! thanks for letting me have a little rant over it !

Jarrod

[br3n]

Policeman = powertrip.

All complete cocks dont see why any would want to be one as everyone (quite rightly) hates you.

PS, my brothers a policeman (again f**k knows why)

[BONGO]

Policeman = powertrip.

All complete cocks dont see why any would want to be one as everyone (quite rightly) hates you.

PS, my brothers a policeman (again f**k knows why)

You see, you just made yourself sound like a cun t.

[Adam-Griffin]

You got nicked because you were obviously being a little gob shite.

no he got arrested cause coppa's are cu*nts when it comes to small things like this , theyu could be out findin little maddie or something useful rather than arresting people for stupid things!

Adfam

[hugh_b]

i can see where your coming from guys, alot of the police now days feel like they are superior to anyone around them , they like to use their powers probably because it makes them feel big and powerful. Seems to me like they just wanted someone to pick on or someone has reported you as being anti social and actually described what you were doing completely different, in a threatining way-that has happened to me and a friend before when we were working on his car outside his house, a policeman and someone from the enviroment department at the council turned up saying they had recieved a phonecall claiming we had oil all over the road, tools all over the road and kids were running round getting covered in oil etc, our answer was..."well the oil's in a bucket down there, there's none on the road as you can see, all the tools are on the front seat and the kids are at school" They told the old bloke to stop wasting their time lol. Anyway, if you can be bothered file a complaint. The best way to deal with cops is be as polite as possible, theyve got no reason to nick you then even if they want to-this will just annoy them more, you are well within you rights to ask why you are being asked to move. If the story is how you say it is, then it's most likely one of the above reasons,if they stop me i always like to bring up the fact that when i had my mx bike stolen, my monty, my trek and all my tools etc they didnt bother to come round for 3 days after it happened and point out they have loads of time to stop me but no time to come round and take details etc. -Hugh

Edited May 24, 2007 by hugh_b

[Fish-Finger-er]

no he got arrested cause coppa's are cu*nts when it comes to small things like this , theyu could be out findin little maddie or something useful rather than arresting people for stupid things!

Adfam

yea because theres enough fuel in the guildford panda car to reach portugal, just quit being a tit and engage brain before opening mouth.

as for everyone else with a dim view of coppers, there there to do help prevent crimes and answer complaints from the general public about people being unruly/loud/abusive/reported crimes.

you understand if someone complained about a bunch of people swearing in that park the day before, going round nicking kids footballs, spitting, rolling up joints etc(As you seem to be aware its a place where people get stoned). and those people had left/ran when the coppers arrived. then its quite likely any youths in that area(Especially for example if a couple of chavs on bmx's had been mentioned in the complaint) then youd look semi similar to the untrained eye(remember the whole world arent trials riders and dont all know what trials is, everyones heard of motorbiking and 99% of the population know a few motorbike brands, but park a zxr400, an r6, a cbr 600 and a gixxer in a line, with no badges on them, and its only the die hards whod be able to identify them all if they didnt have badges/stickers on them) would be more than understandably asked to move on, even if you wernt doing anything, ethel and betsy see you youngsters in almost the same place, and assume the worst, so dont go for there daily walk through the path.

and when u start swearing, u confirm urself, as the little gob shite who thinks hes clever to answer back to cops.

the police wont help you if your gobby/a twat, in the same way, your polite,conform to there requests, and dont step out of line, they wont do you no harm.

a pikey round our end got his brand new(At the time) range rover sport smashed up by some upstanding members of the community who quite rightly wanted the thieving scum out of the town, the police went down to the camp site the next day as requested, took the blokes statement about where his vehicle was parked etc, then proceeded to clamp every untaxed/uninsured vehicle in the camp site.

similar story can be said of this, you go round actin like twats to coppers, expect bugger all help when your bike gets nicked

[PaRtZ]

i guess it all depends on how you were being "mouthy"

my mate is really argumentative, but never raises his voice or becomes aggressive in an argument. once we finished an exam and went to chill in a park nearby. a copper came up to us and said we were skipping school (btw in our school we were allowed to sign out and walk out if we wanted to in 6th form) so we explained that to him but he still said we were skipping school. none of us were wearing school logos or ties so my mate start asking questions as to why he's picked up on us:

"surely anyone can wear a white shirt and black trousers and sit in a park? from school children to fully grown adults?"

"yes but you appear to me to be the age of school children"

"but we're from ysgol bryn elian, we're allowed to go out by authorisation of headmaster"

"doesn't matter I still have to escort you back in the police car"

"why though? we've done nothing wrong, we're not going to DO anything wrong we're just trying to calm down after an exam. Also we're at the legal age that we could have left school by now and our work uniform is a white shirt and trousers, and we're on a lunch break"

that convinced him enough to leave us alone. But we never got in trouble because my mate was being serious and was asking with intrigue, not with intent to cause an argument. I presume the copper probably thought you were trying to annoy him vicky pollard stye

[Pashley26]

^^^^^Thats exactly how i spoke to him, for the first 3 sentences by then i was bit pissed off lol.......

So "Trials_punk182" are you from the ford of g ?

It was quite obviously a case of mistaken identity but i'll make a complaint for the chain and the HUGE ding in my top tube and the unnecessary force, and next time i get told to move i'll just go cos' if there asking you to move there prides not going to let you stay there !!!!!!!

Jarrod