King C Posted May 10, 2007 Report Share Posted May 10, 2007 (edited) Ok so I know pretty much nothing about keeping cars off the road or anything about cars to be honest.Anyways what do I need to do to obey all laws and stuff. Basically I'll be buying a Mini which has been off the road for a while and will be keeping it at my house but my dad said that I cant keep it on the road as it has not TAX or MOT etc (whether it matters or not), he says that I can't keep it on the drive way for the same reason and we cant get it to the back of our house so it can't be kept there. Can I just put it on the drive and cover it?Does the Mini even need to be taxed, being over a certain age 'n all.Cheers in advanceKing Edited May 10, 2007 by kcchan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Token Posted May 10, 2007 Report Share Posted May 10, 2007 Technically it'll be illegal to get the car from wherever it is to yours, as you wont be insured because the car has no MOT, and you won't have any road tax. But if you can get it to yours illegally, which is quite do-able then as soon as its on your property it's nothing more than a lump of your metal. You don't need MOT, insurance or tax to keep your car on your property as your property isn't owned by the government although you do have to inform the DVLA that the car is off the road if it hasn't already been done. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King C Posted May 10, 2007 Author Report Share Posted May 10, 2007 (edited) I'll get it to my house legally on a trailer or somehow.Ok also what will the car need to go through to get it back on the road? MOT is a definite but TAX? Any form of register that it needs to go onto? How will I get it know to the DVLA that its going back on the road again?Also Any clarification on whether the beast will need tax? Its a C reg. So its 22 years old - give or take a few months Edited May 10, 2007 by kcchan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dave85 Posted May 10, 2007 Report Share Posted May 10, 2007 Tax, MOT and insurance are all linked together. The best way to do it is insure it, take it for an MOT, once you have the MOT pass certificate and your insurance certificate you can get it taxed. Then onwards you are legal (provided the thing is roadworthy).Every vehicle will need to be taxed. How much that tax costs you (from nil to well over 4 figures) depends on the class of vehicle. The "no tax" you're thinking of is the concession to vehicles first registered before the first of January 1973, they go for free. That mini, I should imagine will be about 60 quid for 6 months. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Token Posted May 10, 2007 Report Share Posted May 10, 2007 If it is marked as off the road, it'll say in the log book. Then you can just send part of the vehicle registration form off to the DVLA to let them know, it is quite easy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaRtZ Posted May 10, 2007 Report Share Posted May 10, 2007 Tax, MOT and insurance are all linked together. The best way to do it is insure it, take it for an MOT, once you have the MOT pass certificate and your insurance certificate you can get it taxed. Then onwards you are legal (provided the thing is roadworthy). Although can you get it taxed without insurance?And yeah if you imagine the cops turning up and asking where the mot + tax is for the car, just say its not a car because it doesn't have part x,y or z and therefore cant possibly be run on the road, safe or not Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King C Posted May 10, 2007 Author Report Share Posted May 10, 2007 Ah. Slight problem. I'm not 17 till August, but I want as much of it sorted and legalised and stuffs as soon as possible. So the insurance is kinda out of it for now. Can I not get the MOT and Tax sorted and then when the time comes get the fully working, Taxed, MOT'd Mini insured? -(if that makes sense) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dave85 Posted May 10, 2007 Report Share Posted May 10, 2007 Although can you get it taxed without insurance?No way, nothing to stop you cancelling your insurance the day after you get the tax disc though Ah. Slight problem. I'm not 17 till August, but I want as much of it sorted and legalised and stuffs as soon as possible. So the insurance is kinda out of it for now. Can I not get the MOT and Tax sorted and then when the time comes get the fully working, Taxed, MOT'd Mini insured? -(if that makes sense)It'll need to be on someone's insurance to be taxed, you can get the MOT sorted out beforehand though. Chances are with a mini, you'll have it nicely in pieces by the time you're seventeen Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King C Posted May 10, 2007 Author Report Share Posted May 10, 2007 (edited) Then theres the problem of trying to get insurance for a mini for a 16 yr old.Most of its done. It Just needs afew little bits and bobs abit of wiring here and there. No engine work or anything. Just as well cos I'd be screwed. Id be like..... carbur-what? Edited May 10, 2007 by kcchan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CurtisRider Posted May 10, 2007 Report Share Posted May 10, 2007 No way, nothing to stop you cancelling your insurance the day after you get the tax disc though It'll need to be on someone's insurance to be taxed, you can get the MOT sorted out beforehand though. Chances are with a mini, you'll have it nicely in pieces by the time you're seventeen got 14 days to do so to tax you need proof of mot and an insurance certificate, we just bought a new car today and had to go through all the same sorta hasslewhy the rush to get it done straight for when you are 17? it'll be a fair few months before you pass and the later you leave it, the better in some senses, MOTing a car 3 or 4 months before you use it is just a waste of money Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King C Posted May 10, 2007 Author Report Share Posted May 10, 2007 I suppose. I kinda want it to go throught the MOT so I can see if anything else needs to be done. Do MOT's cost anything? Bet your all thing Im some kind of plank. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Simon Posted May 10, 2007 Report Share Posted May 10, 2007 If any wheel touches a public highway, it has to be taxed, moted and insured.Therefore, a driveway is perfectly legal, as is the garage complex, flat complex parking, etc.Make sure its SORN, or you will get your ass kicked. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King C Posted May 10, 2007 Author Report Share Posted May 10, 2007 Cool. Cheers. Any clarification on this no tax thing for cars over a certain age? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dave85 Posted May 10, 2007 Report Share Posted May 10, 2007 I suppose. I kinda want it to go throught the MOT so I can see if anything else needs to be done. Do MOT's cost anything? Bet your all thing Im some kind of plank.The MOT is a sort of minimum standard. A bit like going round your bike, pinching the tyres with your thumb and making sure the chain hasnt fallen off. Its no guarantee that the thing will work properly. Your best bet is to find a friend who knows about cars, he'll point out the dodgy bits, and not charge you for the privilege like the testing station will.Cool. Cheers. Any clarification on this no tax thing for cars over a certain age?Every vehicle will need to be taxed. How much that tax costs you (from nil to well over 4 figures) depends on the class of vehicle. The "no tax" you're thinking of is the concession to vehicles first registered before the first of January 1973, they go for free. That mini, I should imagine will be about 60 quid for 6 months.Get yer wallet out Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TomR Posted May 10, 2007 Report Share Posted May 10, 2007 (edited) Why do you need to tax it if its on your drive? Declare it SORN and that's it. By 'road' they mean public highway, and public highway must be adopted by the local authority, which your drive isn't, it's private property.Also, on the classic car tax exemption, the law actually states manufactured before XX date (i believe its march 1973, not january). So even if the car just misses the date, if you can prove its date of manufacture then its still tax exempt.Classic car tax exemption does not get you out of displaying a tax disc either, the law still states that you must display a valid tax disc, which is still the case with classic cars, you just do't need to pay for it. Edited May 10, 2007 by TomR Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dave85 Posted May 10, 2007 Report Share Posted May 10, 2007 It is the first of january 1973, but you're right about constructed not registered. We've got a lorry that misses that date by about a week, 165 quid rather than free Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King C Posted May 10, 2007 Author Report Share Posted May 10, 2007 (edited) Cheers. Im learning.I love the way everyones willing to help everyone on this forum. Edited May 10, 2007 by kcchan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TomR Posted May 10, 2007 Report Share Posted May 10, 2007 You're right, its January 1st, I think i got March from my dads Triumph, IIRC that was registered March '73 but built '72. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King C Posted May 11, 2007 Author Report Share Posted May 11, 2007 Any ideas on how to get it from where it is now to my house? All legally of course. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fishy Posted May 11, 2007 Report Share Posted May 11, 2007 (edited) Tow, maybe get a breakdown recovery vehical. Or does it need to be taxed and all that shiz? If it does, do it at night? Or on a weekday. Less chance of cops catching on to it.Other than that wacking it on a trailor. We got a mini on a 2 bike trailer, pretty sketchy, but we got it from Shropshire to Yeovil fine. Edited May 11, 2007 by Joe Rothwell Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TomR Posted May 11, 2007 Report Share Posted May 11, 2007 Itll need to be trailered, to be towed (ie have wheels on the road) itll need to be taxed. If it's small enough it may fit in a decent size rental van, just make sure u get a ramp! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RobinJI Posted May 11, 2007 Report Share Posted May 11, 2007 I may be wrong, but if you really want it taxed before when you don't have insurance I think you can just get someone with fully comp insurance to tax it, as when they show there insurance details it still proves that they are insured to drive it.You shouldn't really need to anyway, as said, your just paying for a couple of months you don't need, because you still won't be able to use it until you've got a licence.Bit off topic, but my mates mk3 Astra failed its MOT yesterday, he'd been wondering what a creaking noise when steering was for about 6 months, come MOT time it turned out to be a snapped front anti-roll bar and lower suspension linkage. haha. Always check out any weird noises your car makes! (especially after you've curbed it hard! haha) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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