gianttrials Posted May 9, 2007 Report Share Posted May 9, 2007 hey everyone,if you get a chance check out mbuk, where you'll see a pull out poster from diamondback. if you look at there new trials bikes you may notice that apart from a strange looking down tube an different graphics its basicly a zoo! pitbull '05. once again diamondback rip off another make, lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe Aston Posted May 9, 2007 Report Share Posted May 9, 2007 (edited) You can hardly slag diamond back off for copying another frame. everyone does it iv ridden one and i have to say they feel great to ride really nice on the back wheel. Spec is good as well. For 600 quid your getting what is essentially a pitbull. Diamond back are just branching out into another area of bikes trying to get more people into the sport by offering a cheap starter bikes in the lower model. JoeEdit Edited May 9, 2007 by Onza Joe Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt_Tupman Posted May 9, 2007 Report Share Posted May 9, 2007 You mean the Zoo which was a copy of a Coust Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deonn h Posted May 9, 2007 Report Share Posted May 9, 2007 You mean the Zoo which was a copy of a Coust Yeh the 04 one lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Walleee Posted May 9, 2007 Report Share Posted May 9, 2007 You actually think diamond back designed that?More likely some total random and it's being sold in a taiwan catalogue. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
James Quigley Posted May 9, 2007 Report Share Posted May 9, 2007 (edited) To be fair everything is copied from something to a certain extent.Without copying things would progress too slowly. Also you need people to copy in order to motivate people to create origional ideas to be different.That makes no sense.............. does it?I confused myself Edited May 9, 2007 by ReverendJQ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tomm Posted May 9, 2007 Report Share Posted May 9, 2007 I'm pretty sure I remember seeing a Diamondback that looked like the original Coust/T-Rex design a couple of years ago. But yeah, everyone is using frames like that, there's no point slagging them off for it. Perhaps it's just that picture, but is there some weird downtube going on? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe Aston Posted May 9, 2007 Report Share Posted May 9, 2007 Perhaps it's just that picture, but is there some weird downtube going on?How you mean weird like some sort of hydro forming ? Il check when im at work on Saturday. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shaun H Posted May 9, 2007 Report Share Posted May 9, 2007 If that bike has BB drop, I will pay someone to go and shit on Diamondback's trials designer/catalogue frame pickerer.Other than that it looks neyce. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Krisboats Posted May 9, 2007 Report Share Posted May 9, 2007 this things OLD, saw pictures of that ages back. We established it had a weird downtube then too Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
guineasmithpig Posted May 9, 2007 Report Share Posted May 9, 2007 (edited) as has been said, a lot of frames (the ones made in taiwan) are just a 'designers' pick-n-mix of dropouts, gussets, and tubes, welded up by the same companies in the same factories in the same countries.it's only a few bigger american companies who mass produce their own frames (giant, gt, marin, etc), or smaller companies going for quality over quantity, and for those you pay the premium of quality and brand appeal. However, with taiwanese models, you get the benefit of someone elses good design, at another companies better business price. I ain't complaining if it's the same old shiz. Only problem comes when companies spec piss poor tubing to cut costsSmithy Edited May 9, 2007 by guineasmithpig Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ben Cox Posted May 9, 2007 Report Share Posted May 9, 2007 so its pretty much a zoo/coust/holyroyd/catalogue frame, looks nice anyway Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
liam-pantera Posted May 9, 2007 Report Share Posted May 9, 2007 I think that that bike is realy nice and in essence it is a 05 pitbull but 05 pitbulls arnt sold anymore and because its a diamondback bike the frame will be cheap so people can still ride almost the smae geo as the pitbull 05. There is also a cheaper diamondback trials out with looks cool and im sure that ones original but weither you like diamondback or not by realising these cheap bikes there keeping the sport alive by asuring new riders can aford the sport . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clarky Posted May 9, 2007 Report Share Posted May 9, 2007 looks dated, I would'nt think of buying a diamond back, yet its good to get people into the sport, f**king awsome tyres those i got to say best grip over maxxis michelin e.t.c just problems with weaker sidewalls Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tomm Posted May 9, 2007 Report Share Posted May 9, 2007 Here's the other topic: http://www.trials-forum.co.uk/forum/index....showtopic=85746BB drop FTL Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rusevelt Posted May 9, 2007 Report Share Posted May 9, 2007 Prefer their debut bike which Ian Drumond rode. just needed minor tweeks in the geometry, better paint job and graphics. is Martin Hawyes still riding for them after off-loading his trials services to Giant bicycles? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tomm Posted May 9, 2007 Report Share Posted May 9, 2007 Prefer their debut bike which Ian Drumond rode. just needed minor tweeks in the geometry, better paint job and graphics. is Martin Hawyes still riding for them after off-loading his trials services to Giant bicycles?I think he may have just joined Ashton, he's on their team on the website.http://www.ashtonbikes.com/team/martin-hawes/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
br3n Posted May 10, 2007 Report Share Posted May 10, 2007 (edited) if companies were really bothered about their frame designs they would patent the design features and not sign over the rights to reproduce to the companies manufacturing their frames for pennies.Diamondback have just reproduced something already readily available.. if someone wants to buy it.. fair play.ps do people still care about "hawzie" hes a tool and always has been... Edited May 10, 2007 by trialsmad Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tony Harrison Posted May 10, 2007 Report Share Posted May 10, 2007 I think the bike looks good. It's more choice, and a good priced full-bike - just the kind of thing someone starting out with trials would appreciate. They'd probably not want a ridiculously high BB and super-low bars. Don't forget, not every frame is targetted at every rider.At the risk of sounding like a stuck record, when I started it was GT or Trek, pretty much. Back then no-one really complained, they just saved hard to afford one of the few specific trials frames available. Every new frame that comes out is more choice - different colours and graphics if nothing else. I think it's good that companies are really recognising the demand and trying to meet it.Prefer their debut bike which Ian Drumond rode. just needed minor tweeks in the geometry, better paint job and graphics. is Martin Hawyes still riding for them after off-loading his trials services to Giant bicycles?I think Giant off-loaded him... No, he's not on DiamondBack, but on Ashton as someone said. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Danny Swindlehurst Posted May 10, 2007 Report Share Posted May 10, 2007 i remeber seen one of them at the bike show.... i just laffed and walked offdanny Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gandalf the Yellow Posted May 10, 2007 Report Share Posted May 10, 2007 if companies were really bothered about their frame designs they would patent the design features and not sign over the rights to reproduce to the companies manufacturing their frames for pennies.Diamondback have just reproduced something already readily available.. if someone wants to buy it.. fair play.ps do people still care about "hawzie" hes a tool and always has been...so are you?steve Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gianttrials Posted May 11, 2007 Author Report Share Posted May 11, 2007 (edited) 1 thing i'm not slagging of the bike, i think its pretty cool for £600, it just makes me laugh that the last time they copied another design they ended up in court because of copyright (i know this because i used to work for halfords an had contact with them, plus one of my m8s is sponsored by them no names though an not saying who he/she works for, lol) Edited June 22, 2007 by gianttrials Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gr8grumble Posted May 11, 2007 Report Share Posted May 11, 2007 my mate rich coward has that diamont back frame, he got sponsered by them a while back, hes had it for about 7months now and has been testing it... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tomm Posted May 11, 2007 Report Share Posted May 11, 2007 the last time they copied another design they ended up in court because of copyrightThen they, of all people would probably do it by the book. I don't think any frames are copyrighted or patented or whatever, it costs too much. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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