PaRtZ Posted April 21, 2007 Report Share Posted April 21, 2007 yep its that hydroxx again. firstly this isnt a stab at ben or fred, this is not their fault but its the tards at koxx design or manufacture that need to see this:Went to back wheel a low wall (cos im crap) and the back brake slipped out and I landed on my back. With the bars still in my hands the top tube was about 8 inches away from the wall and as it swung down due to gravity, it went "dunk"i though "shit im scratched the paint" but oh no, it left a nice 10mm deep dent in it (pics to follow soon)now I know they've far from indestructable but ive not had time to really thrash this frame, probably only ridden it properly 6-7 times? and its dented already. And yes i do know that top tubes dont take alot of impact but surely from a little bump like this it shoudn't dent!so to say im pissed off is an understatement really. This bike costs about 3 times as much as a zona zip which is stronger and has less problems to set up. TAKE NOTE FRENCHIES: stronger frames = happy ridersim not saying people should steer clear of this frame. the geometry is very nice indeed: truly awesome for natural just SO enjoyable. but in terms of technical issues and reliability, im put off completley from it and dont particular want to sit on it incase it bends more, if you're thinking of getting one ask yourselves these questions to avoid disappointment:Are you a basher? if no, then dont buyDo you fall off a lot (not dabbing)? if yes dont buyDo you run rear hope? if yes do buylike i said, im not putting anyone off or slagging koxx off but sorry imo koxx, you've got this one wrong Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew_Gibson Posted April 21, 2007 Report Share Posted April 21, 2007 (edited) What grade Alu they made from? That not the problem? But Koxx have a thing for being weak don't they? I think they should do something about it! people will pay for there stuff, but they keep on breaking. Its not good news. I wouldn't get a Koxx due to the fact that they cost way too much. I'd get back on the Zona! less hassle Edited April 21, 2007 by Matt Gibson Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaRtZ Posted April 21, 2007 Author Report Share Posted April 21, 2007 I'd get back on the Zona! less hassleseriously If they did a DD version I would do it right this second (even though I only have 41p to my name ) is 6061 aluminiumso alot of koxx frames dent easily? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RR_Trials Posted April 21, 2007 Report Share Posted April 21, 2007 I have heard story's about week frames. Do they have that deal that Onza do, the 'replace' or 'half price' thing. I don't know what that involves or intales, i have just heard about it . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eskimo Posted April 21, 2007 Report Share Posted April 21, 2007 Pics? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Walleee Posted April 21, 2007 Report Share Posted April 21, 2007 I have heard story's about week frames. Do they have that deal that Onza do, the 'replace' or 'half price' thing. I don't know what that involves or intales, i have just heard about it .Most definately not. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
basher Posted April 21, 2007 Report Share Posted April 21, 2007 Koxx frames are primarily a competition frame really and there for not made to with stand thrashings or knocks because thats been sacrificed so they can get the lightest frame they can, and thats why it will dent easy and more than likely crack like alot of other koxxs do. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RR_Trials Posted April 21, 2007 Report Share Posted April 21, 2007 Most definately not.Why is this, because of the price i guess. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dave85 Posted April 21, 2007 Report Share Posted April 21, 2007 Just the way koxx go about things. Dominique Hermance is a shrewd businesman, not a philanthropist. Koxx warranties have always been hard to come by and very short (think three months) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
poopipe Posted April 21, 2007 Report Share Posted April 21, 2007 he's probably within that 3 months , might be worth a phonecall - then again rumour suggests that as soon as you set foot to pedal the warranty is void so maybe not.next time you feel the urge to spend £400 on a frame I suggest you give mr leeson a ring - at least he'll fix it for you when you bash it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ash-Kennard Posted April 21, 2007 Report Share Posted April 21, 2007 so alot of koxx frames dent easily?you joking. they are notoriously the weakest of all frames as they are designed for competition use and are made from tinfoil to give their riders the edge. thats everything besides the levelboss Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scotty Evil1 Posted April 21, 2007 Report Share Posted April 21, 2007 thats everything besides the levelbossAnd the k-sas, because its got square tubing makes it so hard to dent, indestructable!!!!Sorry to hear bout the bike man, thats a beeatch Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hugh_b Posted April 21, 2007 Report Share Posted April 21, 2007 ive had the levelboss and it dented easily,learnt to sidehop to crank, had protective tubing on the chainstays, after 2 days the chainstay was dented to fooook, then had monty's and these seemed really solid, soo hard to dent. Koxx's new frames seem better, maybe because of the shape of tubing as Scott said. You will probably have alot of trouble getting a cheaper replacement etc off koxx or their dealers. This is one of the reasons i dont get them anymore, it seems you buy a koxx and thats it, if something goes wrong there's nowt you can do. -Hugh Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaRtZ Posted April 21, 2007 Author Report Share Posted April 21, 2007 haha i was pinning some hopes on the old "bad batch" excuse but from what it seems this is the 'norm'poopy thats a good idea, but to be honest i might just go back to a zona, i really cant believe the difference between the two frames (sorry ill stop bumming the zip now)Ok thanks for the replies guys Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mat Smith! Posted April 21, 2007 Report Share Posted April 21, 2007 What happend to the really nice spec Zip anyway?Koxx arzzzz gayzzzzzzzzzz.Mat Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JT! Posted April 21, 2007 Report Share Posted April 21, 2007 Yeah it's just the way koxx frames are. I would try to get a replacement, but i wouldn't count on it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Krisboats Posted April 21, 2007 Report Share Posted April 21, 2007 My friend put his kona between a wall and a lamp post (which was about a foot away from the wall). The bike fell while we were eating and it fell from stationary against the wall, to hitting the lampost (a distance of around 10 inches). In doing so it left a nice big dent on his toptube, which was the main point of impact, and to this day he still has a dent around 2 inches long and a good 7-8mm deep. And this was the bikes weight falling a distance of around ten inches.I don't find it that hard to believe that you've managed to put a dent of that size into it while you've got a bigger swing and your body leverage, in fact i'm quite impressed as i'd imagine to to have been deeper if anything.You won't be able to claim it as a warranty, as its not a manufacturing fault. Sorry to put it so bluntly, but its your own fault, and an unfortunate accident at that, especially seeing as its so new.... i know i'd be kicking myself. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shaun H Posted April 21, 2007 Report Share Posted April 21, 2007 (edited) Limey DOWNtubes are like that But seriously, it's a competition frame and you hit it's toptube, ok it might be a bit more of a heffer dent than you expected but still. You WILL dent it if you knock it, just the way they are. Built for their riders not their customers it seems.....EDIT: Chris Kona tubes are a bad example. The bikes aren't built for trials so use a completely different grade of alloy and the tubing is thicker in completely different places. My Coiler had a bit of a dent in the downtube where I knocked it on a car rack Edited April 21, 2007 by Shaun H Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Krisboats Posted April 22, 2007 Report Share Posted April 22, 2007 Limey DOWNtubes are like that But seriously, it's a competition frame and you hit it's toptube, ok it might be a bit more of a heffer dent than you expected but still. You WILL dent it if you knock it, just the way they are. Built for their riders not their customers it seems.....EDIT: Chris Kona tubes are a bad example. The bikes aren't built for trials so use a completely different grade of alloy and the tubing is thicker in completely different places. My Coiler had a bit of a dent in the downtube where I knocked it on a car rack Precisely, kona stuff is 7005-t6, from what partz said the koxx is 6061... 7005 is generally slightly "stronger". Differences in toptubes however wont be as extreme as the downtube example you presented, you don't batter a coiler into walls repeatedly after failing to get up things. Where as the top tubes aren't generally hit as often in any form of riding so aren't generally changed a great deal.Obviously its going to have different thicknesses in tubing for the different types of riding, but what i was trying to say is since he fell onto his back i'd presume his bodyweight helped increase the force at which the frame hit the wall, resulting in a big fat dent. So as much as its unfortunate, its not exactly something that he should be so shocked about. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shaun H Posted April 22, 2007 Report Share Posted April 22, 2007 Precisely, kona stuff is 7005-t6, from what partz said the koxx is 6061... 7005 is generally slightly "stronger". Differences in toptubes however wont be as extreme as the downtube example you presented, you don't batter a coiler into walls repeatedly after failing to get up things. Where as the top tubes aren't generally hit as often in any form of riding so aren't generally changed a great deal.Obviously its going to have different thicknesses in tubing for the different types of riding, but what i was trying to say is since he fell onto his back i'd presume his bodyweight helped increase the force at which the frame hit the wall, resulting in a big fat dent. So as much as its unfortunate, its not exactly something that he should be so shocked about.Strength has little to do with it, it's the maleability that makes frames dent easily. However I don't know a whole lot about the different grades of ally so I won't go into that. And it wouldn't surprise me if trials companies (but maybe not Koxx ) spec thicker toptubes.I gathered from the post that he fell back and then the bike swung under it's own weight onto the wall. So his weight didn't do it... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Rankin Posted April 22, 2007 Report Share Posted April 22, 2007 trying not to sound like a wanker here, but you said your not very good (havent seen u ride though) and yet you have bought a bike that is designed by pro competition riders for top riders. Loads of people seem to buy really nice xpensive bikes (pro comp bikes i.e XTP, Hydroxx, monty 221 Ti) too early in their riding career and beat the hell out of them, my advice would be to work your way up the range of bikes out there as you improve. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ducko Posted April 22, 2007 Report Share Posted April 22, 2007 at the end of the day its a light frame that rides really well, so obveously because of the weight the strength is compromised,try getting a armadillo or some alu to add protection,but as someone has said the frames are designed as pure competition frames.but still really annoying after you spent so much money on it, a very nice bike still! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deonn h Posted April 22, 2007 Report Share Posted April 22, 2007 trying not to sound like a wanker here, but you said your not very good (havent seen u ride though) and yet you have bought a bike that is designed by pro competition riders for top riders. Loads of people seem to buy really nice xpensive bikes (pro comp bikes i.e XTP, Hydroxx, monty 221 Ti) too early in their riding career and beat the hell out of them, my advice would be to work your way up the range of bikes out there as you improve.It`s only a dent don't cry lol , if you knew they were weak then you shouldnt have got it You say uve had it 3 week and its already dented , its your fault. Everyone could just come on here " aww ive just got a dent after 4 hours ridin the frames are shit"sorry for being abit snappy at you its just annoyin lol. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dan6061 Posted April 22, 2007 Report Share Posted April 22, 2007 Forget about all this dual disk lark and build the Zona back up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ryan Blackwell Posted April 22, 2007 Report Share Posted April 22, 2007 Forget about all this dual disk lark and build the Zona back up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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