Rusevelt Posted April 15, 2007 Report Share Posted April 15, 2007 (edited) For all you light weight freaks whom are keen to shift approx 100-200g off your wheelsets , i remembered seeing this product in DIRT magazine last year i think. Go to www.bombshellparts.com. All i remember when chatting to the technical sales guy about this product was that the technology behind machine drawing titanium, is a significantly leap forward from the first generation ti spokes which were too flexible, very difficult to true-in and get the right tension, and snapped like matchsticks. i also remember the guy saying that the bombshell ti spokes are not only significantly lighter, but stronger than stainless steel spokes because the ti spokes stay in better tension. at £30-£35 for a pack of 18 spokes(198mm-260mm length), they are ridiculously expensive unless of course your prepared to pay for that. Former bmxer/Freerider Darren Berrecloth, uses them on his freeride rig, so they must be strong. for info, email bombshell at info@bombshellparts.com. Ps, dont know how to provide a link though im sure Mr Boon, can handle this. would be nice if bombshell could send some samples to our tarty trials test pliots, to see how they handle under trials abuse. Edited April 15, 2007 by Rusevelt Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ScotchDave Posted April 15, 2007 Report Share Posted April 15, 2007 For all you light weight freaks whom are keen to shift approx 100-200g off your wheelsets , i remembered seeing this product in DIRT magazine last year i think. Go to www.bombshellparts.com. All i remember when chatting to the technical sales guy about this product was that the technology behind machine drawing titanium, is a significantly leap forward from the first generation ti spokes which were too flexible, very difficult to true-in and get the right tension, and snapped like matchsticks. i also remember the guy saying that the bombshell ti spokes are not only significantly lighter, but stronger than stainless steel spokes because the ti spokes stay in better tension. at £30-£35 for a pack of 18 spokes(198mm-260mm length), they are ridiculously expensive unless of course your prepared to pay for that. Former bmxer/Freerider Darren Berrecloth, uses them on his freeride rig, so they must be strong. for info, email bombshell at info@bombshellparts.com. Ps, dont know how to provide a link though im sure Mr Boon, can handle this. would be nice if bombshell could send some samples to our tarty trials test pliots, to see how they handle under trials abuse.WRONG just because he uses them doesn't mean he doesn't change wheels every week or so... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rusevelt Posted April 15, 2007 Author Report Share Posted April 15, 2007 Maybe i didnt explain this properly but Darren Berrecloth IS, sponsored by Bombshell. all his spare wheelsets are laced on the tiflite rainbow coloured ti spokes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ScotchDave Posted April 15, 2007 Report Share Posted April 15, 2007 Yeah, and if, not saying they are, these ti spokes are weak as hell since he's sponsored by them he can change his wheels regularly, just because a part is used by a pro doesn't mean it's good. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Krisboats Posted April 15, 2007 Report Share Posted April 15, 2007 Yeah, and if, not saying they are, these ti spokes are weak as hell since he's sponsored by them he can change his wheels regularly, just because a part is used by a pro doesn't mean it's good.But surely people will notice while he's riding that his spokes are failing, so the word would get spread round pretty quickly. Thats like tunni's echo 06 rims, when i saw him in notts his rim was BATTERED, and everyone knew he killed them. Never heard of darren killing them yet, which, if he had... it wouldn't take too long before everyone knew about it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rusevelt Posted April 15, 2007 Author Report Share Posted April 15, 2007 (edited) Well you know the old saying, "dont knock it till youve tried it". im pretty sure that if these spokes can handle the abuse 30ft slopestyle drops, then they are possibly good enough for trials abuse. probably best to lace them on a front wheel build only. Well im gonna have a chat with bombshell and see if i can convince them to send some samples to tarty bikes and get their test team on them. then we will all see how they handle after 3-6months of abuse. watch this space! Edited April 15, 2007 by Rusevelt Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ScotchDave Posted April 15, 2007 Report Share Posted April 15, 2007 (edited) Just because something survives one slopestyle run does not make it strong, he might be having his wheels changed every run! How do you not get this?If these spokes were to survive the same number of runs as a normal wheel then I would be impressed, but until a direct comparison is made one cannot judge them. I shall prove this using logic, observe: when was the last time you saw a worn tire on a pro Downhiller's bike? Never, right? So obviously these tires don't wear out on the pro's bike, so they won't on mine.Wrong, the pro's use the softest stickiest stuff that's made and change the tires very frequently for performance, but you still never see a worn tire.The same thing applies to these spokes, it would be bad for the companies image for their product to be seen failing, so they will replace it as often as is necessary on their show rider (Bearclaw) to stop that happening. End of! Edited April 15, 2007 by ScotchDave Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Simpson Posted April 15, 2007 Report Share Posted April 15, 2007 Just because something survives one slopestyle run does not make it strong, he might be having his wheels changed every run! How do you not get this?Why would anyone bother being sponsered by an inferior product, just for the sakes of 100g though? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dave85 Posted April 15, 2007 Report Share Posted April 15, 2007 For money perhaps? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Krisboats Posted April 15, 2007 Report Share Posted April 15, 2007 Just because something survives one slopestyle run does not make it strong, he might be having his wheels changed every run! How do you not get this?If these spokes were to survive the same number of runs as a normal wheel then I would be impressed, but until a direct comparison is made one cannot judge them. I shall prove this using logic, observe: when was the last time you saw a worn tire on a pro Downhiller's bike? Never, right? So obviously these tires don't wear out on the pro's bike, so they won't on mine.Wrong, the pro's use the softest stickiest stuff that's made and change the tires very frequently for performance, but you still never see a worn tire.The same thing applies to these spokes, it would be bad for the companies image for their product to be seen failing, so they will replace it as often as is necessary on their show rider (Bearclaw) to stop that happening. End of!It makes sense, but the majority of it is based on assumption. I wouldn't EXPECT to see a bald tyre on a pro downhillers bike, as it'd be in their favour to have tread on it, in the same way you don't have worn tyres on cars.... it can be dangerous. Only difference is on cars its enforced to stop you putting others at risk (pdestrians etc) where as a pro downhiller would presumably only injure himself and the odd unfortunate bystander.How do you tell if spokes are going to fail though, because its pretty damn hard. My Ti spokes where fine despite being overtightened, then the next minute i'd snapped 3.And at the cost of £30 odd pound per 18 spokes i would imagine they WON'T be replacing his wheels after every run. Its pointless to replace something so expense after every single little run he does. Its going to cost them a great deal to keep him wheel'd up with their Ti spokes if they aren't up to scratch. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ManxTrialSpaz Posted April 15, 2007 Report Share Posted April 15, 2007 And at the cost of £30 odd pound per 18 spokes i would imagine they WON'T be replacing his wheels after every run. Its pointless to replace something so expense after every single little run he does. Its going to cost them a great deal to keep him wheel'd up with their Ti spokes if they aren't up to scratch.Yeh, but the actual cost of the spokes is going to be nowhere near £30. And for a major company, that is probably a small cost, espeecialyl if the Ti spokes are large sellers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christophe' Posted April 15, 2007 Report Share Posted April 15, 2007 sapim cx rayslight as titanium but still stainless steel, strongest spoke produced. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AdamR28 Posted April 15, 2007 Report Share Posted April 15, 2007 sapim cx rays, strongest spoke produced.Most fatigue resistant spoke Leaders and Strongs are stronger in ultimate terms.The thing with Ti spokes is that if you make them light they're horrendously flexy (and pretty weak)... and if you make them strong and stiff they're just as heavy as steel spokes. Plus the nipples sieze... and they cost a bomb.Double butted stainless spokes all the way for me! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Krisboats Posted April 15, 2007 Report Share Posted April 15, 2007 Yeh, but the actual cost of the spokes is going to be nowhere near £30. And for a major company, that is probably a small cost, espeecialyl if the Ti spokes are large sellers.Doesn't change the fact that if they weren't giving him new wheels after each run they'd be making that much. Yeah it may not be big cost to the company, but if they weren't giving that particular set to him, they could be selling it to someone else for £30. So they are still losing out on £30 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spmcfadden Posted April 15, 2007 Report Share Posted April 15, 2007 "sapim cx rays, strongest spoke produced"Most fatigue resistant spoke Leaders and Strongs are stronger in ultimate terms.Steel has a higher elastic modulus than titanium.Steel has a higher shear modulus than titanium. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bionic Balls Posted April 15, 2007 Report Share Posted April 15, 2007 higher modulus usually going to mean more brittle. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ScotchDave Posted April 15, 2007 Report Share Posted April 15, 2007 (edited) Sorry, that was wrong what I said, that was the yield stress... Edited April 15, 2007 by ScotchDave Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
N.Wood Posted April 15, 2007 Report Share Posted April 15, 2007 Geeeeeeekkkks! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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