spode@thinkbikes Posted April 5, 2007 Report Share Posted April 5, 2007 (edited) I got my Pro II (2006 model) back from Hope about a month ago, replacing a spring and a snapped axle. And today, the shell body split almost completely in half - luckily not doing anything big.I've had the WORST luck recently with bike components and this is just the last straw. I've been a loyal Hope customer since 2000 for both Discs and Hubs and I've never had as much trouble as I'm having with these.I keep telling myself, that if Damon Watson can do the stuff he does on a Pro II, then it should stand up to my riding...It's great that Hope warranty these things, but having to rebuild my wheel every time it goes wrong is a PITA. So I'm unsure whether to complain until they upgrade me to a 2007 Pro II and hope that lasts. Or try a different brand, or even go down the front freewheel route. At least with front freewheel, if it goes I can just replace it in twenty minutes without having to rebuild the wheel.Opinions anyone?A particularly frustrated Spodey.. Edited April 5, 2007 by Spode Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
basher Posted April 5, 2007 Report Share Posted April 5, 2007 I keep telling myself, that if Damon Watson can do the stuff he does on a Pro II, then it should stand up to my riding...Damon also cracked his hubshell if i remember and snapped a axel.Ive also done my hubshell aswell, thankfully was able to build a tempary wheel up for me to use. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christophe' Posted April 5, 2007 Report Share Posted April 5, 2007 another hope pro2 negative.im not suprised .and for every f** that argued the point for them , i hope this is funny!hope didnt get it right, unfortunately.woops Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
matt rushton Posted April 5, 2007 Report Share Posted April 5, 2007 Send it back to hope and they will send you an 07 back.You basically did what I did.I got a new wheel built up on the thursday. Then on sunday broke my hubshell. But Hope were good and now I have a brand new wheel up and running. Matt Rushton Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King C Posted April 5, 2007 Report Share Posted April 5, 2007 If you buy one second hand and manage to break/crack it, will they still be as nice and replace it for you? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ash-Kennard Posted April 5, 2007 Report Share Posted April 5, 2007 another hope pro2 negative.im not suprised .and for every f** that argued the point for them , i hope this is funny!hope didnt get it right, unfortunately.woopsshut up chris, they are awesome, its just the odd coupel that aer dying Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spode@thinkbikes Posted April 5, 2007 Author Report Share Posted April 5, 2007 Well Rob is on his third.. And I'll be on my Third as well - in about 12 months... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scousertrials Posted April 5, 2007 Report Share Posted April 5, 2007 What bearing sizes do the hope pro take as i have a set af ceramic sealed i want to use up that i bought for an old hope hub Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
matt rushton Posted April 5, 2007 Report Share Posted April 5, 2007 Well Rob is on his third.. And I'll be on my Third as well - in about 12 months...Buy a 07 then?Matt Rushton Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26inch Posted April 5, 2007 Report Share Posted April 5, 2007 another hope pro2 negative.im not suprised .and for every f** that argued the point for them , i hope this is funny!hope didnt get it right, unfortunately.woopsHow many hundreds of hubs do you think they have sold, even if 100 break its still probably not a bad percentage of failed ones, your just being narrowminded and at least hope do something to sort it. Look at the deng hubs that tryed to copy hope, they started sh*t and still are because it takes too much effort to get mass produced taiwanese crap re designed. Id prefer my money to go to hope anyday Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nick Garland Posted April 5, 2007 Report Share Posted April 5, 2007 I have always found rear discs to put so much stress on rear hubs. I have snapped numerous axles with them and broken hub shells too from many brands. I just think rear discs are wrong. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christophe' Posted April 5, 2007 Report Share Posted April 5, 2007 How many hundreds of hubs do you think they have sold, even if 100 break its still probably not a bad percentage of failed ones, your just being narrowminded and at least hope do something to sort it. Look at the deng hubs that tryed to copy hope, they started sh*t and still are because it takes too much effort to get mass produced taiwanese crap re designed. Id prefer my money to go to hope anydayim not being narrow minded!in salisbury 3 riders have got hope trilas hubsbasicaly i only trust one ,,,,,but not realy happy then.when will someone acept that the first batch wernt right?stop being loyal cause yours worked,,,,,,,,,a lot of people are fecked off!!!!!simple as Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
basher Posted April 5, 2007 Report Share Posted April 5, 2007 Im not happy at all really seeing as this should of been picked up in testing, thats what its there for. Theres 3 riders includeing myself with pro2's in and around my area and all have broke. Some people close to hope i believe are saying its because spokes are been over tightened, matt rushton above got his wheel built by the same people hope use and his cracked. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greetings Posted April 5, 2007 Report Share Posted April 5, 2007 It's funny how people who use these hubs get really pissed off when somebody complains at them. Get a life people, it's a hub, not your gf, mum or best friend... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tank_rider Posted April 5, 2007 Report Share Posted April 5, 2007 Any chance of seeing some detailed shots (with close ups of the surfaces) of the failure? Just want to have a gander and see how there failing (sudden failure or cracking first).Cheers Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark W Posted April 5, 2007 Report Share Posted April 5, 2007 shut up chris, they are awesome, its just the odd coupel that aer dyingSo good that Hope revised it for 2007, having realised there were flaws with it (hence them saying they've "increased the strength by 10%")? Even the guy who said that he'd eat a Pro2T if it broke admitted that some of the bearings needed revising in it... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RobinJI Posted April 5, 2007 Report Share Posted April 5, 2007 ...the guy who said that he'd eat a Pro2T if it broke...Hate to be that guys GP. He's gotta be shitting aluminium billet by now!!To be fair, as much as I think hope are an amazing company, and there dealing with this the right way. (replacing the broken ones with the upgraded one without any hassle) I also think they didn't get it right first time.Theres nothing wrong with that. All companies cock up once in a while, look at the VW Sharan (just kinda crap), the 2003 DJ3s (loads of them cracked at the crown from a machining error). Doesn't make VW or Marzocchi bad company's does it. So even the massive supporters of hope, I don't get the point in defending them in this case. It's a good hub, just they made the shell a bit thin, no big deal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ashley Smith Posted April 5, 2007 Report Share Posted April 5, 2007 Im not happy at all really seeing as this should of been picked up in testing, thats what its there for. Theres 3 riders includeing myself with pro2's in and around my area and all have broke. Some people close to hope i believe are saying its because spokes are been over tightened, matt rushton above got his wheel built by the same people hope use and his cracked.the guy who built rushys wheel does not build for hudson, you dork hudson, hes a private wheel builder, hope build most of theres in house..............................ash Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark W Posted April 5, 2007 Report Share Posted April 5, 2007 It doesn't matter who built them. "Over tightened spokes" is still a weak, weak excuse. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Krisboats Posted April 5, 2007 Report Share Posted April 5, 2007 im not being narrow minded!in salisbury 3 riders have got hope trilas hubsbasicaly i only trust one ,,,,,but not realy happy then.when will someone acept that the first batch wernt right?stop being loyal cause yours worked,,,,,,,,,a lot of people are fecked off!!!!!simple asYeah good one. Go round slating them when you obviously don't actually know much about the situation.2006 ones are weak around the hubshell near where the ratchet is housed. They upgraded the design and all the old ones were sold cheaper. They also upgrade to the new design for free once if you break the old one. HOPE ADMITTED THERE WAS A FAULT!I guess your mates just keep getting the 2006 ones, or kept breaking them up until the new ones were being used to replace broken ones. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spode@thinkbikes Posted April 6, 2007 Author Report Share Posted April 6, 2007 Well, this is the first hub shell of mine to break. But all the other problems I've had as well, in my heart I've started to lose faith that Hope is the way to go...But logically speaking, I probably just got unlucky and 2007 will be fine. And most of the time I tend to override gut feeling with logic I'll send it back to Hope and see how it goes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rusevelt Posted April 6, 2007 Report Share Posted April 6, 2007 (edited) Well Rob is on his third.. And I'll be on my Third as well - in about 12 months... Im still dumdfounded as to how a hub made from a solid billet of machined alu can just snap clean. would be interesting to see the science behind that like on CSI (Crime Scene Investigation). the last time i rode with you in london, you were using a red Pro hub, how come you switched to Pro2. or im i confusing with your trials comedy partner on the black Ashton? i forget his name. Edited April 6, 2007 by Rusevelt Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ben_travis Posted April 6, 2007 Report Share Posted April 6, 2007 my only tip is to buy my king singlespeed ub with HD axle and bolts and king cog for the grand price of 125 that im offering it at on the fs/wtd section.??tis up to you really, but my hope was alreet. only sold it cos i have a 116mm axle.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spode@thinkbikes Posted April 6, 2007 Author Report Share Posted April 6, 2007 Im still dumdfounded as to how a hub made from a solid billet of machined alu can just snap clean. would be interesting to see the science behind that like on CSI (Crime Scene Investigation). the last time i rode with you in london, you were using a red Pro hub, how come you switched to Pro2. or im i confusing with your trials comedy partner on the black Ashton? i forget his name.Darren? He was running a Pro II as well.He was running an XC until recently though.I think it's something to do with the grain in the aluminium. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
basher Posted April 6, 2007 Report Share Posted April 6, 2007 the guy who built rushys wheel does not build for hudson, you dork hudson, hes a private wheel builder, hope build most of theres in house..............................ashWtf mallet you on about I no that he doesn't build for me i build my own, and matty told me that he built for hope so was going off what he said i was only pointing out that if hope are saying it was becasue of over tightening and there own wheel builder built a wheel and the hub cracked on that then obviously thats a lame shit excuse. The fact is as i see it these things should have been picked up in testing, and if your paying 130 pounds for a hub it should last more than a few months in some cases, how ever good hopes after service care is. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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