The National Bike Show 'official' List.

[Walleee]

Hi, Just want to clear something up.

There has been some mis-leading info posted about the 'Official' line up at The National Bike Show. Just so it is clear; I have not been approached by the Trials feature manager to appear at the event and will not be riding.

Martyn Ashton

From Best Rider topic

'At 'THE BIKE SHOW' in the past we (Ashton/Hawyes) have always tried to represent 'Trials' as best we could. I initially asked to be involved with 'The National Bike Show' but after a few site visits was told that Giles would be running the Trials feature? I have not been approached by Giles too ride at the show and don't appreciatte the use of my name in an 'official' list when i have not been asked to ride. So if you are interested in the line up; please go ahead and mentally delete my name from the 'Official' list as i am nothing to do with it.

Martyn'

the death of trials at the bikeshow.... ?

I've said it before, i'll say it again. Im almost glad im stuck on this shithole of an inbred island because do some degree all this shit doesn't effect me, at one time I REALLY wanted to get some sort of club going over here with the intention of starting some small comps or at least group rides. I don't want to do that anymore because everything on the mainland seems like a total balls up. Not only the bike show, but there are Two BIU championships, both saying the other is illegitimate, those who have been a huge part of the sport since the very beginning are now seemingly been pushed aside without regard for what they've done in the past (Marts, Barbara, Fred Savage)

Just had another one of my crazy ideas, but i'll leave it be.

Anywhom, to play devils advocate. I'm not suggesting Martyn charges thousands of pounds, or if he charges at all, but havn't the organisers of this years bike show pretty much shunned trials away? Given Giles not a lot of budget at all, and only one demo a day that lasts an hour and a half?

Will be a shame to not see Martyn there, if i go, but theres always 2 sides to a situation like this.

Anywhom, Martyn only posted for public information, so i'll stop there.

best case scenario from what i've read there is that giles was being too polite to martyn and simply didn't even ask him because he couldn't pay him as much as mart would usually get for such a function, even if that is the case surley in the interest's of british trials giles should have asked him anyway?

[Team Ashton]

Some more background information:

The BIKE show was originally owned by Future Publishing (MBUK and others) and run by their events Team. The last few years the event was owned by Haymarket Exhibitions who in late 2005 decided not to run the show in 2006 (the end thus far of 'The BIKE Show'). The guys behind NASS took the oppertunity to book the 07 date with a similar name at the NEC at that time. I was approached by The National Bike Show to run the Trials feature but after those initial site visits was told that Giles would be running it instead. I presume from what Giles has posted that my format was not suitable, if offered those time constraints i would of walked away. I also presume that Giles was told i was on board from the start as i would be very surprised and disapointed if he would wish to decieve knowledgeable trials supporters by promoting an event with names he had not confirmed, that would be very naughty wouldn't it

At the time i was moved off the project i had confirmation from Kenny Balaey that he was coming, after informing him of the change of feature manager he removed his commitment. I would also be quite confidant in securing the following list as they are friends who have enjoyed good times at the event in the past:

Chris Akrigg

Vincent Hermance

Ben Savage

Chris Doney

Neil Tunnercliffe

Wayne Mohamet

Martin Hawyes

Ali C

Myself

I had penciled in approaching the following riders who haven't previously appeared.

James Porter

Danny Mac (big fan)

probably a few others but 14/15 would of been my limit.

I am (clearly) gutted not to be involved as i truly believe i could of run a great feature this year, i think we have all missed out on the feature we deserved. I've also worked very hard on my riding over the winter; a show on that date is always perfect to try and pull new stuff out the hat. It would of been 'Death or Glory' from me thats for sure (foot jam whip 360 drop, Flair, flip drop).

All that said; lets all go and support as thats what any UK bike event needs, hopefully see some of you there?

Laters,

Martyn

[Davetrials]

gilles can f**k off if im reading this right, how can the marts not go?

nation bike show needs to sort its f**king ideas out cos so far it sounds like its gonna be shite.

[trialsalot]

that is soooo crap.i'm disappointed,really cant believe it.i was contemplating going but now there is no chance.

craig

[mr kenny]

Danny Mac (big fan)NY

I am (clearly) gutted not to be involved as i truly believe i could of run a great feature this year, i think we have all missed out on the feature we deserved. I've also worked very hard on my riding over the winter; a show on that date is always perfect to try and pull new stuff out the hat. It would of been 'Death or Glory' from me thats for sure (foot jam whip 360 drop, Flair, flip drop).

All that said; lets all go and support as thats what any UK bike event needs, hopefully see some of you there?

Laters,

Martyn

yeh it's gonna be amazin if the big mac get's to ride

martyn are youy doin footjamtailwhippy things??? whipdrops?

i think these moves are called Give it death moves....

i can certainly say that danny has got a fair few followers and from speaking on the phone just now he appreciates the comments....

lets get danny to the show like he deserves!!

kenny

[manuel]

I dont quite understand how this all works but surely If you give away an area to a trials setup for the whole period of the show you can run as many demos for as long as you like ? or are we talking setup ? Also are we to be shouting at the whole owners of the show for messing people about ? because i dont understand why giles is running the show when basically Mart could have got the cream of world riding and giles well just kinda hasnt. i dont understand the decision to take it away from martyn.

anyway - its a balls up.

[craigjames]

At the time i was moved off the project i had confirmation from Kenny Balaey that he was coming, after informing him of the change of feature manager he removed his commitment. I would also be quite confidant in securing the following list as they are friends who have enjoyed good times at the event in the past:

Chris Akrigg

Vincent Hermance

Ben Savage

Chris Doney

Neil Tunnercliffe

Wayne Mohamet

Martin Hawyes

Ali C

Myself

I had penciled in approaching the following riders who haven't previously appeared.

James Porter

Danny Mac (big fan)

probably a few others but 14/15 would of been my limit.

I am (clearly) gutted not to be involved as i truly believe i could of run a great feature this year, i think we have all missed out on the feature we deserved. I've also worked very hard on my riding over the winter; a show on that date is always perfect to try and pull new stuff out the hat. It would of been 'Death or Glory' from me thats for sure (foot jam whip 360 drop, Flair, flip drop).

All that said; lets all go and support as thats what any UK bike event needs, hopefully see some of you there?

Laters,

Martyn

[Tony Harrison]

The Bike Show was good when MBUK ran it. It was big, had big names, and was a hell of a good day. That show used to provide me with all the inspiration I needed for another year's riding.

But the current offering seems rubbish in comparison. A single hour and a half show with names most non-trials riders haven't heard of. Just isn't the same. Yes, it might be entertaining for Joe Public, but it's not a patch on what it could have been. Another case of big show organisers not listening to the people who know what they're talking about.

Martyn has experience from countless bike shows, and has the inside knowledge only a top rider could have. Why not get him to organise the show? This is just rubbish - big names, big moves and a number of well-placed shows throughout the day have been replaced by something that is nothing more than a 'compromise'.

I certainly won't be going. But then again, trials riders probably aren't the intended audience for this anyway. Even so, it's just not a bike show without two guys called Mart.

(Damn, whatever happened to the days of the Urban Tour, Fatty R forks and yellow brakes?!?)

[crazy_gap girl]

I dont quite understand how this all works but surely If you give away an area to a trials setup for the whole period of the show you can run as many demos for as long as you like ? or are we talking setup ? Also are we to be shouting at the whole owners of the show for messing people about ? because i dont understand why giles is running the show when basically Mart could have got the cream of world riding and giles well just kinda hasnt. i dont understand the decision to take it away from martyn.

anyway - its a balls up.

I think its all down to money myself.

[trials_pimp]

You guys seem to be way to quick of the mark to Blame Giles.

Its not like he has specificly asked everyone to f**k off and let him take control.

I know from the many years of Bikeshow visits that Martyn and Martin run and excellent show, the 2000 speed trials, the numerous trials courses that make the riders in the crowd want to run home, grab their bike and wrestle the securtiy to ride.

But seeing as Haymarket ballsed everything up and dropped the show things are going to change.

The guys at NASS run a damn good event, and put in alot of time and effort. Also they have been working with giles for many years, so naturaly would choose him for such an event.

Sure funds will be tight when organising events of this caliber, and from a company as small as NASS they dont want to waste too much on this event, and end up having to budget for the somerset weekend, cos we all know alot of people will just moan about that.

Yes its a massive shame that the event wont be run by the Marty/ins, no matter who runs the trials arena is going to do the best with the money, supplies and time they are given.

Hell ill bet if it was organised by Ot Pi and Hans Rey people would still complain if they were given massive bidget and time constraints.

Yes its not perfect, but its trials on a grand scale.

Be thankfull its there at all, they could have easily scrapped it to save more money

[Christophe']

This is a serious question, not a rant.

How come, if the Trials arena floor space has been paid for for 2 days, it's only being used for 3 hours?

That seems like a big waste of budget to me?

Just a thought....and im sure there is some reason to this.

[Team Ashton]

Hi,

Seems the budget is being blamed for the Line-up and format. To this point i have never recieved a fee for 'riding' at the BIKE show, nor has any other Trials rider that i know of. Myself and Martin obviously recieved a fee for feature management but that just covered our days working on the build, same as any other contractor. This format cannot be simply blamed on budget.

Martyn

[Danny@phatworks]

The Organisers just seem to not have a bloody clue what they are doing.

The bikeshow has always been something in my mind that the Marts would put together for everyone and no matter who organised it, it just wouldn't be the same.... I have been going to the bikeshow since 00/01 (whatever the one was where their was the speed trials over them big cage things and ryan leech was their) and I have really enjoyed them but this sounds like it's going to be as entertaining as watching paint dry.

[F-Stop Junkie]

I think this is going to be different to previous years. When I went to NASS at the NEC last year, the BMX park and vert were in the NEC Arena, and it's a big venue! Tiered seating all around, a big area for riding, it will be impressive. I don't see though how they're going to have BMX, trials and MTB all in the same area. It's not like you can quickly move a trials course into position... To give trials a big time slot as well is going to be hard work for the riders and commentators too!

I don't think trials is a main attraction to the organisers, and I'd expect to see a big BMX presence at the show. That said, Giles knows what he's doing, and there's plenty of good talent on hand to ride too. I'll certainly be there, should be a good event!

[future orange 660]

probably cos he wants too much cash lol

[Tomm]

probably cos he wants too much cash lol

[Tony Harrison]

probably cos he wants too much cash lol

D I C K

[GyTrials]

need to bring back hop idol used to love that lol

if there is no problem on the budget side for getting the best riders in the world/country why the f**k havn't they been invited

ow wel not bothered ordering any tickets lol

[manuel]

need to bring back hop idol used to love that lol

if there is no problem on the budget side for getting the best riders in the world/country why the f**k havn't they been invited

ow wel not bothered ordering any tickets lol

isnt the point there that martyn would be able to pull them in with his contacts and giles just doesnt have them - as mart said they were good friends of his....

I still dont understand the decision - Giles' mad team are surely going to get a fee as with any other demo so its surely going to work out similarly priced but with marts show being godly and giles' being just good.

[AdamR28]

isnt the point there that martyn would be able to pull them in with his contacts and giles just doesnt have them

I'm not so sure that's the case - both Martyn and Giles have been involved with trials for a long time.

See how it goes, nothing is finalised yet...

[Stan Shaw]

Give the show a chance people. Nothing has been finalised yet and its being slated so much.

[joe b]

That's bullshit. Please excuse my willy up your bum, but what is a bike show without Martyn Ashton?

Although, i still don't know anything about this show. I may just have to go and visit some site or other 'caus i've only recently learned about it...

Cheers,

Joe.

Edited April 4, 2007 by joe b

[Mark W]

I'm not so sure that's the case - both Martyn and Giles have been involved with trials for a long time.

See how it goes, nothing is finalised yet...

No offence to Giles, but Martyn's a bit bigger/higher profile in the trials world than Giles, and would therefore probably have more pull than him? Not to mention having asked those guys to ride in shows gone by...

[AdamR28]

It's not what you know, it's who you know...

Edit: Just realised that quote doesn't really get my point across if you think about it for more than a few seconds Hopefully you'll know what I mean Mark...

I don't really wanna get involved with this though, all I'm trying to convey is that people should wait for the final confirmation before passing judgement.

You also have to remember that this is not 'The Bike Show', it's run by totally different people, its The NBS (Yes, I know that stands for National Bike Show, but it is completely different to the 'old' bike shows that were held at the NEC).

Cheers

Adam

[Mark W]

No prooooooooblem

Semi-edit: Ooh, you've edited your post. I know you don't wanna be dragged into it and that's fair enough, I was just raising a point. It seems that the people who named the event were trying to ride on the back of the success of the Bike show, what with them giving it as close a name as they were probably legally allowed to, and holding it in the same place (at what may even be roughly the same time of year? Can't remember...). As a result, parallels are inevitably going to be drawn, so they sort of have to expect that people will compare the two, and possibly compare their's less favourably?

Either way, the rider's they have invited to ride could probably put on a show I guess, it's just a pity that it's only an hour and a half a day.