Racism

[Dr. Nick Riviera]

It would be like having lessons with the stig!

you wouldn't complain....

[Egg Fried Rice]

Apparently the word 'chink' is mispelt from the word 'china'....says my girlfriend hmmmm....lol

JK

[Tomm]

In fact, that attire was no longer compulsory to wear as of about ten years ago... the only purpose of it is so men dont get jealous of other men looking at their wives. (Either that or their wives are pig ugly and the want to hide it)

No. One of the core beliefs is that of modesty - I know plenty of muslim women who just cover themselves up because it makes them feel better about themselves. Nothing to do with being ugly. NB Headscarves/ full Hijab are the more dedicated end of the spectrum , some women just wear long sleeves and trousers etc.

So don't spout shit.

Apparently the word 'chink' is mispelt from the word 'china'....says my girlfriend hmmmm....lol

JK

I always thought it was something to do with narrow eyes being like little 'chinks'. Either way, I'm pretty sure it's quite offensive.

[Egg Fried Rice]

I always thought it was something to do with narrow eyes being like little 'chinks'. Either way, I'm pretty sure it's quite offensive.

Being chinese myself, yes, it can be offensive

[F-Stop Junkie]

(It's a real thing, i'm not sure if she was from pakistan, but it was because she was indian/that area, also mentioned it to show these abreviated words aren't always offensive)

it's not offensive to call someone paki when they're not from pakistan? it's like calling all english people welshys. what makes it offensive is that you belittle someone by not recognising who they are but generalise instead.

[Fixed Pants™]

I didn't mean that exactly, i was just saying it so i don't look silly when someone knows facts and says 'she was from india, not pakistan you tit!' sort of thing.

[ScotchDave]

its not just your zambian friends, it says it on TV, sunni vs shiit muslims, suicide bombing each other every day, just because of there religion(and there just different parts of the same religion, think protestant and catholic in N.I, but on a far bigger scale) dont see any christians blowing themselves up, because they disagree with muslim views(which i do very strongly, yet not once have i thought about making myself into a walking talking claymore mine, but thats maybe because im spineless an not worthy of my religion, race or skin colour).

lets not forget arab vs jew, which is rolled up into the israeli palestine conflict.

i dont consider myself to be in anyway racist at all, i am opinionated and have my views on changes that should be made. one such view, is that if your coming to britain as an illegal immigrant(skilled migrants and refugees are slightly different)or if your coming to this country, because you dont agree with the way your country does things. you should be allowed into this country,but only after you complete a tour of duty in the british army, people have said thats wrong and unfair, but to me, its the way i think it should be. apart from the problems it would solve( people wringing the country dry of benefits, lack of army personnel, problems in other countries were currently fighting), it would sort out those people who truly want to be a part of our country, to those coming here under false pretences, for an easy ride.

however PC folk would say i cant say that, "that a number of people wanting to enter this country, without a valid reason too, should only be able to do so under certain conditons" is a racist statement

yet its ok for muslim preachers to say " the whole of the western world should be destroyed"

to me the one here preaching the race wars is not me.

also if my views did occur, i would have no problem with these immigrants living here, theyd be making positive changes, and fighting for/defending this country, theyd be well respected members of societies( a lot more so than any "english" person on benefits, due to it being an easy option - in my eyes at least)

and if our country was doing such things, id think it would be a country i would be proud of, and would be signing up to defend it at the first given oppurtunity. (compared to as it is, my view of "meh, might join the TA in a few years once im settled").

sorry for going off topic, but 95% of its relevant.

Right, according to a very well educated Muslim friend of mine the original Sunni Shiite issue was political, but similarly to in Northern Ireland it ended up as a religious conflict.

Secondly, the Israel Palestine conflict is nothing to do with Jews, Israel is a state like any other, with a secular government. The Arab nations don't like Israel's existence for various reasons, but none of them pertain to their "Muslim Brother's" in Palestine...

You say you're opinionated, I would suggest that if you wish to be so obtaining a decent level of knowledge on the subjects you comment on would be a priority.

You would be right that saying the destruction of the western world is wrong, however lambasting Islam for this is wrong as there are extremists in every religion, for example the evangelists in America.

im not a racist person in any way, but the one thing that really gets on my tits is the way that many muslims and the like come over here, live off our taxes and then decide they want to blow us up, and the government is still on there side. like the spastics that bombed the underground, where they lived/ went to school/college/ where they worshiped, mister blair was praising how their community was "fully supporting ethnic diversity" etc etc.. then, a few weeks later, a private investigation finds out theuy are fully supporting extremism and teaching everyone how to make bombs and blow themselves up. the government then said how they must of been mis-represented or some other crap like that. Then a few weeks after that, the nobbers went and blew themselves up in the country they were born, raised and living in, killing many innocent men,women and children for what they think is "right"

all this only came to light about three months after the bombings because the government were covering it up.

The immigrants are always being defended and made out to look like the innocent ones, and if we even say anything, we get raped for it, yet they can happily go nuts "jihadding" us all, while living off our money and then constantly complaining about it.

there are obviously exceptions (cool immigrants who are happy with life over here, skilled craftspeople, the ones who go out and are trying their best to make the best lives for themselves, asylum seekers and the like) its just the others that get on my tits.

soryy if this has offended anyone, but since were all airing our views, heres mine.

Edited by mod: That's how you get a 3 day ban. It's one thing to discuss the issue, it's another to make sweeping generalised racist rants

You obviously know nothing apart from what you read in the Sun, use your ban to acquire some knowledge of the subject area. The reason we have immigrants is because they will work, they do the jobs certain British citizens feel they are too good to do.

I think some people on here don't know the difference between race and religion , Islam is a religion !! you can be any color and from any country and be a Muslim there are lots of white Muslims some of them have been involved in attempted bombings.

Race is what you are , religion is something you have a choice about.

I am Jewish, it is my race and my religion. I think you will find that to religious people their religion is also their race.

[F-Stop Junkie]

I am Jewish, it is my race and my religion. I think you will find that to religious people their religion is also their race.

Our Judaic friend is right:

race 2 /reɪs/ Pronunciation Key - Show Spelled Pronunciation[reys] Pronunciation Key - Show IPA Pronunciation

–noun

1. a group of persons related by common descent or heredity.

2. a population so related.

3. Anthropology.

a. any of the traditional divisions of humankind, the commonest being the Caucasian, Mongoloid, and Negro, characterized by supposedly distinctive and universal physical characteristics: no longer in technical use.

b. an arbitrary classification of modern humans, sometimes, esp. formerly, based on any or a combination of various physical characteristics, as skin color, facial form, or eye shape, and now frequently based on such genetic markers as blood groups.

c. a human population partially isolated reproductively from other populations, whose members share a greater degree of physical and genetic similarity with one another than with other humans.

4. a group of tribes or peoples forming an ethnic stock: the Slavic race.

5. any people united by common history, language, cultural traits, etc.: the Dutch race.

6. the human race or family; humankind: Nuclear weapons pose a threat to the race.

7. Zoology. a variety; subspecies.

8. a natural kind of living creature: the race of fishes.

9. any group, class, or kind, esp. of persons: Journalists are an interesting race.

[Origin: 1490–1500; < F < It razza, of obscure orig.]

—Synonyms 1. tribe, clan, family, stock, line, breed. Race, people, nation are terms for a large body of persons who may be thought of as a unit because of common characteristics. In the traditional biological and anthropological systems of classification race refers to a group of persons who share such genetically transmitted traits as skin color, hair texture, and eye shape or color: the white race; the yellow race. In reference to classifying the human species, race is now under dispute among modern biologists and anthropologists. Some feel that the term has no biological validity; others use it to specify only a partially isolated reproductive population whose members share a considerable degree of genetic similarity. In certain broader or less technical senses race is sometimes used interchangeably with people. People refers to a body of persons united usually by common interests, ideals, or culture but sometimes also by a common history, language, or ethnic character: We are one people; the peoples of the world; the Swedish people. Nation refers to a body of persons living under an organized government or rule, occupying a defined area, and acting as a unit in matters of peace and war: the English nation.

Dictionary.com Unabridged (v 1.1)

Based on the Random House Unabridged Dictionary, © Random House, Inc. 2006.

[Tony Harrison]

it's not offensive to call someone paki when they're not from pakistan? it's like calling all english people welshys. what makes it offensive is that you belittle someone by not recognising who they are but generalise instead.

My Sri Lankan friend doesn't mind it. In fact, he calls me enough stuff in return. I think it's because we don't take exception to each other's colour, we feel free to joke about it. But obviously that's between friends, so it's different.

I went to an interesting talk at a local photography gallery yesterday by a guy called Johan Oldekop who has done a photo journal called Islamaphobia. Interesting stuff, talking about identity and people's perceptions of race and religion, and how Asians and Muslims are often confused and assumed to be the same thing. Thought provoking stuff.

Still, I don't understand why it's ok to use 'gay' as a universal word for rubbish, crap, annoying, etc. (In fact, it was my experiment into the differences between that and 'the N word' usage that earned me my 10% warning) People at work say it all the time, and I can't help but think that if a gay person started working here, they might feel offended or scared. Perhaps it's just down to which minority groups complain the most.

[Fixed Pants™]

True? Which is why there are more racists than homophobes/beaters?

Edited April 5, 2007 by Fat Pants

[Tomm]

Our Judaic friend is right:

stuff

That's not really true when it comes to Jews though. Jews can be either religious or racial, or both. If you are born into a Jewish family, but later denounce the religion, you are still a Jew. If you are (for example) white and British, but you adopt Judaism, you're not really a Jew, and there are other Jews who you wouldn't be permitted to marry. My point is that the whole race/religion thing is muddled up and you can't always distinguish the two.

Besides, I am not sure that this conflict is because of the Christian world vs the Muslim world. It's about the (middle) East vs the West. There's no point hating muslims

[poopipe]

I didn't mean that exactly, i was just saying it so i don't look silly when someone knows facts and says 'she was from india, not pakistan you tit!' sort of thing.

stick to using wog, it's pretty non-specific in that it covers everybody except the east asian, oriental types.

[MadManMike]

Ah Mr Pipe, so PC aren't you?

Not that i'm complaining - light-hearted ***!

[Fixed Pants™]

Wog is short for golly wog, usually associated with blacks, i think so anyway, pretty sure.

[Al_Fel]

Wog is short for golly wog, usually associated with blacks, i think so anyway, pretty sure.

golly wog ha ha funny word that.

"Wops" are chinese and japanise people. I think. I'd assume "slope" is in the same band. I also think chinese people get called chinks and japanise people get called nips. God knows how all these names came up like.

The only name I can think of white people is honkey. What are other names for white people?

Just realised I'll probably get banned for saying all that it wasn't intended to offend I was just trying to clear the whole wog and wop thing. which reading back I think I made up. I thought there was something there that clearly wasn't. Ah well ban away chaps if you feels its necessary.

Edited April 5, 2007 by Anal_Teflon

[Si-man]

golly wog ha ha funny word that.

"Wops" are chinese and japanise people. I think. I'd assume "slope" is in the same band. I also think chinese people get called chinks and japanise people get called nips. God knows how all these names came up like.

The only name I can think of white people is honkey. What are other names for white people?

white b*****d probably.

Yellows, gooks, spiks, pikeys, all racism really.

Cant believe this thread is still going, everything is just getting repeated.

[Caleb]

cracker is a good un for us white folk

[Joe_Elding]

black people around her call some whites little dick.

not me though obvs.

[poopipe]

Wog is short for golly wog, usually associated with blacks, i think so anyway, pretty sure.

according to the interweb wog is a general purpose derogatory term for anyone of the brown persuasion, it's been around since colonial times at the very latest and was certainly used in reference to people from india (they couldn't call them pakis because pakistan hadn't been invented yet).

nips comes from nippon which is what the japanese call japan (something to that effect anyway) so it's along the lines of calling a chap from pakistan a paki - again, not nice.

i thought wop was just for italians -you learn something new every day.

Speaking of which, anyone got any good ones for the jewish bloke at work? My jokes about ovens, hitler and gas bills are failing to make the desired impression.

[Tomm]

Speaking of which, anyone got any good ones for the jewish bloke at work? My jokes about ovens, hitler and gas bills are failing to make the desired impression.

Are you sure more insults are the way forward?

[ScotchDave]

That's not really true when it comes to Jews though. Jews can be either religious or racial, or both. If you are born into a Jewish family, but later denounce the religion, you are still a Jew. If you are (for example) white and British, but you adopt Judaism, you're not really a Jew, and there are other Jews who you wouldn't be permitted to marry. My point is that the whole race/religion thing is muddled up and you can't always distinguish the two.

Besides, I am not sure that this conflict is because of the Christian world vs the Muslim world. It's about the (middle) East vs the West. There's no point hating muslims

You're half right Tomm, in judaism one cannot renounce the religion as we consider ourselves a race, but you can stop practicing. To convert to Judaism is a VERY long and difficult process, however once you have converted you are as much a Jew as I am, the only thing is that you can't marry a member of the priestly tribes. The rules for who they can marry are very strict, no divorcees, no converts etc.

Speaking of which, anyone got any good ones for the jewish bloke at work? My jokes about ovens, hitler and gas bills are failing to make the desired impression.

I REALLY don't think this is the appropriate thread for this...

[Has anyone seen my shoe?]

Speaking of which, anyone got any good ones for the jewish bloke at work? My jokes about ovens, hitler and gas bills are failing to make the desired impression.

Yeah ive got a good one liner

Two gays in a phone box.... ringing each other.

[dave85]

Its pretty normal to call americans Yanks, I know a few places in the south where you'd get shot for that though. While we're fanning the flames of the NF, I havent heard the word daego said yet

[Hendrix]

Its pretty normal to call americans Yanks, I know a few places in the south where you'd get shot for that though. While we're fanning the flames of the NF, I havent heard the word daego said yet

*ahum*

YANK!

[ScotchDave]

Yank is actually a term for north Americans, dating back to the civil war in America, people from the south would object to being called a yank very strongly, it's the same as calling a Scotsman English.