Smoking Ban

[Orgun_Donor]

i also think they should up the age to 21, to be able to buy cigarettes.

not for safety really, but because i assume most smokers start when they are like 13-17, by the time they are 21 they should have the common sense not to want to smoke anyway.

no 16 year old can make a decision that important.

Exactly they start at 13! Even though the age is 16? Upping the limit wont stop the fact kids smoke cause its "hard" and "cool" and also its rebellious to society. Ohh not for getting the whole peer pressure from others to smoke.

[yoyoyo]

Also when you get a craving for cigarettes, the craving only lasts for a maximum of 3-4 minutes. So I really can't see how it can be so hard to quit. Especially when you also think about the money your saving. Still if killing yourself and wasting money are your sorta thing then theres not alot stopping you, just cant see the appeal in starting in the first place to be honest.

It's not just the craving though.

I smoke cigars if i go out, and i like the taste. But i know it will kill me if i do it constantly which is why i only do it while im out where it's already a smoky atmosphere. But it's only the taste i do it for and i'm not addicted so i never get cravings.

Never tried a cigarette though, so i don't know what it tastes like.

But i support the ban. Personally i think it should only be allowed in your own home.

[RicH_87]

Exactly they start at 13! Even though the age is 16? Upping the limit wont stop the fact kids smoke cause its "hard" and "cool" and also its rebellious to society. Ohh not for getting the whole peer pressure from others to smoke.

yeh, but 13 year olds can pass themselves off as 16 year olds easily, where as i don't know any 13 year old that looks 21...

(not that i know a load of 13 year olds >_>)

[rocktrials]

Theres nowt like a home smelling of good ol' fags

[Alun Goch]

... No one 'likes' smoking unless they're addicted...

Sorry, thats not true. I'm not addicted (in my opinion, as i can stop as I please, I go weeks sometimes without smoking and I am no different, I do not get 'cravings') and I still enjoy smoking at times which I choose to do so.

As far as I'm aware, the ban is for enclosed/partially enclosed public places (correct me if this isn't true please, it's only what I've heard), which I think is a bit stupid, as people can smoke in the middle of a croud in the street, but not in an empty bus stop?

Alun

[anzo]

Sorry, thats not true. I'm not addicted (in my opinion, as i can stop as I please, I go weeks sometimes without smoking and I am no different, I do not get 'cravings') and I still enjoy smoking at times which I choose to do so.

As far as I'm aware, the ban is for enclosed/partially enclosed public places (correct me if this isn't true please, it's only what I've heard), which I think is a bit stupid, as people can smoke in the middle of a croud in the street, but not in an empty bus stop

Stolen from a website;

'Very few exemptions are proposed to the smoking ban. The new law will affect most public premises, including restaurants, pubs, bars, shops, cinemas, shopping centres, leisure centres, other enclosed workplaces and public transport.'

So basically anywhere indoors other than your own home, this also includes company vehicles. Most of the places listed are already non-smoking, the big issue here is pubs and clubs, which will adapt pretty quickly with a sign saying 'Smoking Garden' or something alike...basically a designated smoking area which is completely outdoors.

This is going to be very difficult to enforce by the HSE, although no doubt brewery's will play a big part in enforcing this too. I can imagine it now...everyone in the cubicals at the pub having a smoke when its pissing it down outside.

I doubt pubs will accomidate smokers as well as some people think on here, someone mentioned something about outdoor heating? It wont happen, pubs don't have to provide anywhere to smoke under the this law, so I doubt they'll spend money on making it comfortable for them.

[Gavyn.]

yeh, but 13 year olds can pass themselves off as 16 year olds easily, where as i don't know any 13 year old that looks 21...

(not that i know a load of 13 year olds >_>)

it's a good way to make some cash though, get given a fiver to go in and buy some 13yr olds 10 L & B and keep the change. They've already made there choice, (daft though it may be) and if you won't buy them it then the next person will, and you miss out on a couple of quid.

[Orgun_Donor]

yeh, but 13 year olds can pass themselves off as 16 year olds easily, where as i don't know any 13 year old that looks 21...

(not that i know a load of 13 year olds >_>)

Still doesn't stop them getting alcohol as well though! I see 13year old drinking in the streets of ivy all the time. Cause there is practically nothing else to do but hang out on the streets and drink or sit at home all night.

[RicH_87]

meh, i'm not a scuffer, small change doesn't bother me.

infact usually i tell the tender to keep my change.

there's more to life than money.

if any kids asked me to buy cigarettes i'd tell them where to stick it and to grow the f**k up to be honest.

[Janson]

they've had the smoking ban in sweden for a while now. it's all gravy. makes the air indoors more easy to breath, also a great opportunity to pick up ladies smoking outside (if smoking ladies are your thing), as there is no loud music outside, and possibly better lit so you can get a better look at them.

[Bill_B]

Meh its lame, if the govenrment had any balls about the health risks they would ban smoking and the sale of tobacco, but I guess the drop in duty would be a bit hard to swallow (there is always the motorist to make up for it ). Now you will be able to go to a club and come home smelling of sweat, beer and vomit instead of smoke....

Yum!

Edited March 13, 2007 by Bill_B

[nmt_oli]

QUOTE(Bill_B @ Mar 13 2007, 08:25 PM) ←

Now you will be able to go to a club and come home smelling of sweat, beer and vomit instead of smoke....

Yum!

Actually, you don't really. I have been out in scotland and it is soooooooo soooooooo much nicer IMO as a non smoker. Only smell as sweaty as if i had been riding, and i have never thrown up from alcohol thanks!

[anzo]

i have never thrown up from alcohol thanks!

Theres time matey lol.

I don't know how all the alcholics are going to pull this off, usually they could have 'I smell of fags because I went to the pub for a quick one'...into 'I stink of whiskey because I went to the pub to get pissed out my tree'.

[Broomer]

no 16 year old can make a decision that important.

you can start a family at 16 if you really wish.

[PaRtZ]

Im not really bothered about smokers. My mum's been smoking ever since i was about 2-3 so im pretty much used to it. Its weird in certain times the smell of smoke is reallly nice :S !!!!! obviously when im choked by it I just want to get out, but just the smell..... hmm....

yeah in pubs and stuff again, im not bothered by it, but I can completly sympathise with those that hate it. smokers may as well just go round kicking everyone in the immediate area, it still causes damage....

[poopipe]

I doubt pubs will accomidate smokers as well as some people think on here, someone mentioned something about outdoor heating? It wont happen, pubs don't have to provide anywhere to smoke under the this law, so I doubt they'll spend money on making it comfortable for them.

they don't have to but they're already doing it round here. Cambridge is one of the most smoker unfriendly places I've ever been, there's pubs all over the place that have had self-imposed smoking bans for years. As far as money goes , a lot of people smoke and most of those people drink (because they generally don't give too much of a toss about their health).

Alienating smokers = less people in the pub = less beer sold = less money for greedy landlord. It's in the pubs interest to whack an umbrella over a few benches in their beer garden and get one of those patio heaters cos they'll make more than their money back on a single friday night.

also...

I'm in favour of bumping the smoking age up to 18 or 21 - they need to do it 1 year at a time over the course of a few years so it goes 16 then 17 then 18 etc. - so the people who've already started can carry on legally

[JT!]

Your a bit of a faggot if you smoke indoors anyway ban or no ban.

Lol, your a faggot if you smoke full stop.

[rocktrials]

Lol, your a faggot if you smoke full stop.

*cough* WORD *cough*

sorry, the fumes are getting to me

[dave85]

I'm looking forward to this ban, I'm sure I can get a nice little earner going, ferrying drinks from the bar to the bus shelter outside.

Glad they're doing something about it, somedays you walk into my local and you can barely see the other end of the bar for all the smog in there. Not like I have much of a choice about drinking there, no poncy no-smoking pubs round here

[-RoBBo-]

Say hello to higher tax

[Gavyn.]

they don't have to but they're already doing it round here. Cambridge is one of the most smoker unfriendly places I've ever been, there's pubs all over the place that have had self-imposed smoking bans for years. As far as money goes , a lot of people smoke and most of those people drink (because they generally don't give too much of a toss about their health).

Alienating smokers = less people in the pub = less beer sold = less money for greedy landlord. It's in the pubs interest to whack an umbrella over a few benches in their beer garden and get one of those patio heaters cos they'll make more than their money back on a single friday night.

also...

I'm in favour of bumping the smoking age up to 18 or 21 - they need to do it 1 year at a time over the course of a few years so it goes 16 then 17 then 18 etc. - so the people who've already started can carry on legally

you will be surprised, for every person not going to the pub because they can't smoke, theres one who is asthmatic or can't stand the smell there instead.

The amount the pub loses out on will even itself out in the summer when they start getting the non smokers out aswell as the smokers who just go outside in the nice weather.

As for the area in which you can smoke it's something like anything above 75% enclosed is against the law.

[poopipe]

you will be surprised, for every person not going to the pub because they can't smoke, theres one who is asthmatic or can't stand the smell there instead.

The amount the pub loses out on will even itself out in the summer when they start getting the non smokers out aswell as the smokers who just go outside in the nice weather.

As for the area in which you can smoke it's something like anything above 75% enclosed is against the law.

You're missing the point - what I'm saying is that pubs that don't provide a smoking area will lose the smoking customers (and their non-smoking mates) to pubs that do provide smoking areas.

In summer it'll even out for sure but given that there's only about 2 months of sunshine in this country I doubt they'll be seeing all their money come back.

I really don't object to places banning smoking - smoking smells nasty and it makes a mess so the less that goes on in places I'm sitting the better (especially restaraunts).

What gets on my tits is that our glorious nanny state hasn't left the decision up to the landlords - If I were king I'd have offered incentives (tax breaks, grants etc ) to pubs that implement non smoking policy or penalties (tax hikes etc) to those that don't rather than laying down a blanket ban overnight.

[MadManMike]

Pubs / Bars won't lose out - there's a plenty of people that will go places where there's nobody smoking. What I mean is some people avoid smokey pubs - so if they become non smoking they will go in there...

I think it'll even out, in fact in NY when the ban was introduced some bars got busier...

[lankyri]

to be honest i think its a good thing this ban last summer i was smoking 20 a day just sitting there in the pub gardens but as times coming along im cuttin down im down to about 5 a day and by summer i hopefully will be down to about 1 or 2 a day which is good because i want to quit for my missis

and yea i dont like smoking in doors my mum dont smoke so i dont smoke in her house so i go in the garden or in the garage when its rainin

so bring on this ban

[Fixed Pants™]

If it's their local and the ban was placed on that local pub, surely if they had been going 20 odd years and smoked there all the time surely they could just not smoke for the hour or two they're in there for.

They're complete untcs if they can't last that long without needing to smoke.