NVWOCI WVS Posted March 15, 2007 Report Share Posted March 15, 2007 Yeah fair point. But I stand by my previous comment. If you keep doing the same line eventually you will get it down. Your brake wont have improved, but because you've got used to doing the same line your body will at some point make the difference between sticking it and slipping it. See where I'm coming from? t However, thats not too say a good brake isnt important.haha!you're saying that a slipping brake doesnt matter and you have heatsink in your signature!?!? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Janson Posted March 15, 2007 Report Share Posted March 15, 2007 slipping brakes put me off loads.even if i don't need all the power, it's nice to know you have it, just in case.fatmike will remember my terrible overshot small downgaps to rails in worcs.. if my brake had slipped i'd have died, twice! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
will Posted March 15, 2007 Report Share Posted March 15, 2007 haha!you're saying that a slipping brake doesnt matter and you have heatsink in your signature!?!?thats not too say a good brake isnt important.Im running brown bloxx now. Anywho... What Im trying to get at, and what you cant seem to get a handle on is that. No matter how powerful your brake, if your body is not in the correct position you wont get anywhere. Nevermind, lets bury this sucker. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adrian Posted March 16, 2007 Report Share Posted March 16, 2007 well, so if im some natty and trying to ride/bounce up a steep ass rock face and my brake slips, its because my body position is wrong??? so how should i change my body position?? stand on the bars?? theres not many positions you can be in when on both wheels. and no i cant gap 10ft, and its probably down to my body position being wrong... but i cant do it anyway!! its when i go to tap a wall that iv done a million times and im doing the same as every other time and my brake doesnt hold on the corner, thats nothing to do with my body position, its because my brake is slipping, because iv made it before. and so when i ride in the rain and my brakes go shite, its not that my rims wet that my brakes slips, its cus my body position is wrong????? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Krisboats Posted March 20, 2007 Report Share Posted March 20, 2007 I've found a plausible conclusion as to why boosters can reduce brake power.... i think. I took my booster off in leicester on saturday and refitted my joypads. Instant bite, honk and everything everyone elses pads seemed to do.I reckon, because of my stupidly stiff t-rex frame, plus the stupidly stiff echo control booster, the rear end was amazingly rigid, yeah? So add to that i've got more leverage and a more powerful master piston in the RB, i have shit loads of force.Now what i think was happening is there was absolutely no flex (obviously), meaning the pads were being pressed severely hard onto the rim, much more than normal, and with a solid rim and solid brake section, the only thing that could happen is for the pad material to be compressed very quickly.Which, as far as i can gather, is a large factor as to what gives pad material the bite, the rate of compression... the softer it is, the longer it takes to compress, meaning it grips the rim better... or soemthing to that effect.Without this slow compression my pads were being compressed and made harder and the only thing that'll happen when their hard is they'll get worn down, as thats the only way the force can be applied.So my brake was literally so stiff the only thing the pads could do was wear themselves away, now theres no booster, the pads compress slower due to the chainstays flexing slightly and it gives them a slower compression.... so a slower wear rate and more grip, plus a little vibrating wobble for the honking noise.I dunno if its right, but its a good enough explanation for me.I also apologise to Ali C for saying his joypads weren't as good as everyone says. They are, it was just me having a silly stiff brake. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoNnY__Mc Posted March 20, 2007 Report Share Posted March 20, 2007 compression...my brakes really stiff... its shiteali c i love you im sorry...I got that whole lecture ^^^^ on msn... did you copy and paste it????... your brake does seem alot better since you took the booster off Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Krisboats Posted March 20, 2007 Report Share Posted March 20, 2007 I got that whole lecture ^^^^ on msn... did you copy and paste it????... your brake does seem alot better since you took the booster off A little, with modifications Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AdamR28 Posted March 20, 2007 Report Share Posted March 20, 2007 Stiffer brake = less flex = more of the force you apply to the lever actually reaches the rim = better brake.Obviously removing a booster can allow more vibrations though, and sound is an important part of some rider's brakes - if it's quiet they reckon it doesn't work... But given the same setup, a brake with a booster added will work better than one without.There's loads of other variables though, setup, rider preferred lever feel... plenty more. But keeping everything else the same and just adding a booster will make the brake work better.Edit: IMO? Do I need that? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CurtisRider Posted March 20, 2007 Report Share Posted March 20, 2007 i agree with will, learning to use your body positioning and not relying on the brake as much is a good way to improve your skills, like learning deathgrip (mbuks name for brakeless it seems) will see you using your body weight far more effectively. i remember Scott pitcher a few years back, showing me how to land gaps so that my hub engaged on landing, i relied on my brake less as i was using the force of my pedals to keep me up, same with upping, its a good technique to learn, especially in the wet, but this was only a problem for me when running a magura...this isn't to say a good brake setup isn't essential....its just that better technique will make up for a lack of power if for any reason that it occurs (mainly in the wet) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dave85 Posted March 20, 2007 Report Share Posted March 20, 2007 this isn't to say a good brake setup isn't essential....its just that better technique will make up for a lack of power if for any reason that it occurs (mainly in the wet)My brake gets better in the wet, all I need now is tyres that do the same Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Krisboats Posted March 20, 2007 Report Share Posted March 20, 2007 Stiffer brake = less flex = more of the force you apply to the lever actually reaches the rim = better brake.Obviously removing a booster can allow more vibrations though, and sound is an important part of some rider's brakes - if it's quiet they reckon it doesn't work... But given the same setup, a brake with a booster added will work better than one without.There's loads of other variables though, setup, rider preferred lever feel... plenty more. But keeping everything else the same and just adding a booster will make the brake work better.Edit: IMO? Do I need that? How was that the opposite in my case then? All i did was take the booster off and it was fantastic, more hold, no slipping (not just a litte difference either, with the booster it'd slip easy peasy) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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