Matthew_Gibson Posted March 5, 2007 Report Share Posted March 5, 2007 Just been on my mind really, Personally I just think its a pointless. Unless you don't want to enter comps. I can only see one good point about them, and that's they don't need mech hangers and tensioners (okay two good points) but thats it. You have to get narrower hubs. Which (I think) will make the wheels weaker. Can you not have a 'normal' Stock, with horizontal dropouts? Or a stock with out a need for a tensioner and mech?Your views.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hugh_b Posted March 5, 2007 Report Share Posted March 5, 2007 ive got one and it's great!! I do now want the option of running gears incase i want to do the odd brit round but i'm not really interested in biu anymore and just want to ride uci where you dont need gears, so mine is up for sale, that and i have always wanted a limey 2 lol. Theres less to hit on one, lighter beacuse of the missing parts. They are alot less hassle to set up. A pretty good idea f you ask me. I believe they are doing a brit round class now so you can ride them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
montyrider Posted March 5, 2007 Report Share Posted March 5, 2007 i have a adamant mod stock, i think there awesome simply because i side hop and do most of my moves on the right side of my bike, and i didnt like smashin mechs off my frames does the job.it would be nice if they had some more variation of frames with some different geos on rather than all da same, buts its early days yet.other than that there is not amazing advantages, oohhh and about the wheel thing on them being weaker, most 20 - 26 hubs are the same width its only the axle's which are different. i know this is correct for my adamant hub as i ordered the wrong size to start with until he told me to smash my axle out and he will send me the 116mm one, simple as that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ash-Kennard Posted March 5, 2007 Report Share Posted March 5, 2007 its a bitch to sell on.get a rohloff, then you still wont hit it and you can run gears if neededpoor hub variation, unless you bodge a pro2tbasically have to run a deng, profile or king hub or a ffw Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RobinJI Posted March 5, 2007 Report Share Posted March 5, 2007 i have a adamant mod stock, i think there awesome simply because i side hop and do most of my moves on the right side of my bike, and i didnt like smashin mechs off my frames does the job.it would be nice if they had some more variation of frames with some different geos on rather than all da same, buts its early days yet.other than that there is not amazing advantages, oohhh and about the wheel thing on them being weaker, most Denge 20 - 26 hubs are the same width its only the axle's which are different. i know this is correct for my adamant hub as i ordered the wrong size to start with until he told me to smash my axle out and he will send me the 116mm one, simple as that.All the good thing mentioned are purely caused by the horizontals. There's absolutly no point in the 116mm spacing. (well you could argue that the axle will be stiffer, but the wheel will be flexyer, so kinda defeats the point anyway)A singlespeed hub for 135mm spacing (other than deng) will build a stonger stiffer wheel than a 116mm hub. Deng was just being weird and kinda stupid putting the 116mm spacing on there. I know quite a few people who would have bought them if they had 135 spacing, but didn't, 'cos they don't. He definatly would have sold more of them if they were 135mm.I beleive the next gen MBK will have horizontals and will be 135mm spaced, and there's always custom frames. Thats the setup I whent for on my Iolo, and I love it. Also 135mm spacing means if I do ever want to run gears, I just buy a bolt on hanger and I can fit a geared hub in there fine. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luke Rainbird Posted March 5, 2007 Report Share Posted March 5, 2007 135mm = perfect Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ben_travis Posted March 5, 2007 Report Share Posted March 5, 2007 mine rides alreeet.i dont run gears. shorter axle = STRONGER less chance of snapping. depending on what hub you use it makes a stronger wheel imo. i have a deng hub. yes its the original one i recieved, i have had an axle made for 8mm allen key bolts. wheeel is great.anyway to the frame. less sticking out...its for those who dont want wheels. i think its the way forward to be honest, its just unfortunate that it isnt as compatible with the modern wheel and drive chain components. although when hope make the pro II mod hub or you buy a bmx king hub then i think it will start becoming more common.lets be honest i think the majority dont use gears...so surely making a frame rear end thinner to reduce the stress on the frame / axle etc can only be a good thing.also horizontal dropouts rule. although snail cams DONT Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
modman Posted March 5, 2007 Report Share Posted March 5, 2007 Mixing a Mod with a Stock is like mating a Bulldog with a Shitzu.... What do you get? BULL SHIT! lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ben_travis Posted March 5, 2007 Report Share Posted March 5, 2007 Mixing a Mod with a Stock is like mating a Bulldog with a Shitzu.... What do you get? BULL SHIT! lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeCottTrials Posted March 5, 2007 Report Share Posted March 5, 2007 horizontal dropouts, top idea i would rush to buy one even though i dont sidehop towards me mech however the 116 spacing means it would be a mucho expensive exercise and the hub choice with that spacing comes with alot of bad comments and limited choice Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
max-t Posted March 5, 2007 Report Share Posted March 5, 2007 (edited) used to get triuble with hangers all the time, but not any more mwahahahaha love mine.definately a good idea Edited March 5, 2007 by max-t Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex.loves.boys Posted March 5, 2007 Report Share Posted March 5, 2007 I want onebut i love my pro 2 too much.I read somewhere you can make a pro 2 fit?tell me please? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pitbull-91 Posted March 5, 2007 Report Share Posted March 5, 2007 alex, if you get a normal pro2 hub body and a pro2 trials cassette and wack the two together, then file it abit it should fit and work fine. also alex if you do want a mod stock frame ive still got my 07 pitbull .see you soon Adam Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Krisboats Posted March 5, 2007 Report Share Posted March 5, 2007 I want one but i love my pro 2 too much.I read somewhere you can make a pro 2 fit?tell me please?Angle grinder Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T-Limburn Posted March 5, 2007 Report Share Posted March 5, 2007 Angle grinder hahahaalways the tool to have handy, or a hammer Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex.loves.boys Posted March 5, 2007 Report Share Posted March 5, 2007 alex, if you get a normal pro2 hub body and a pro2 trials cassette and wack the two together, then file it abit it should fit and work fine. also alex if you do want a mod stock frame ive still got my 07 pitbull .see you soon Adambit long and grind it?foooooook oof:P Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pitbull-91 Posted March 5, 2007 Report Share Posted March 5, 2007 you only need to file about 2-3mm off the cassette body. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hugh_b Posted March 5, 2007 Report Share Posted March 5, 2007 ive got a nice adamant a1 mod stock, 2 weeks old, had 4 rides, basically new. £185 posted!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pitbull-91 Posted March 5, 2007 Report Share Posted March 5, 2007 (edited) ive got a nice adamant a1 mod stock, 2 weeks old, had 4 rides, basically new. £185 posted!!since when has this been a forsale topic, plus im selling my zoo for 160 only been ridden for 2 weeks. Edited March 5, 2007 by pitbull-91 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RobinJI Posted March 5, 2007 Report Share Posted March 5, 2007 mine rides alreeet.i dont run gears. shorter axle = STRONGER less chance of snapping. depending on what hub you use it makes a stronger wheel imo. i have a deng hub. yes its the original one i recieved, i have had an axle made for 8mm allen key bolts. wheeel is great.anyway to the frame. less sticking out...its for those who dont want wheels. i think its the way forward to be honest, its just unfortunate that it isnt as compatible with the modern wheel and drive chain components. although when hope make the pro II mod hub or you buy a bmx king hub then i think it will start becoming more common.lets be honest i think the majority dont use gears...so surely making a frame rear end thinner to reduce the stress on the frame / axle etc can only be a good thing.also horizontal dropouts rule. although snail cams DONTAnd the science behind this?The only thing there that makes sence is the bottom line and that a 116mm axle is slightly stonger.It definatly does make the wheel weaker. the distance between the flanges of a CK classic hub shell (used on the BMX hub) is significantly less than on a CK singlespeed, there for a narrower spoke base and less effective triangulation of the wheel, so a lateraly weaker wheel.Again, making a frame rear end thinner will not reduce stress on the frame, it will sygnificantly increase it under lateral loads, and to be fair, thats what kills frames rear ends, while it will make it an insygnificant amount stronger under a vertical load.I'm not saying the frames are bad, just that they would have made alot more sense with 135mm spacing, and he would have sold alot more if he had made them like that, as they are there good, but should have been better. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AdamR28 Posted March 5, 2007 Report Share Posted March 5, 2007 It definatly does make the wheel weaker. the distance between the flanges of a CK classic hub shell (used on the BMX hub) is significantly less than on a CK singlespeed, there for a narrower spoke base and less effective triangulation of the wheel, so a lateraly weaker wheel.That is true - however, all the Echo, ZOO, GU, Czar and Adamant rear hubs (both 116mm and 135mm axles) have a wider flange spacing than a Chris King SingleSpeed rear hub! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jason222 Posted March 6, 2007 Report Share Posted March 6, 2007 Deng was just being weird and kinda stupid Smart putting the 116mm spacing on there.basically have to run a deng Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ben_travis Posted March 6, 2007 Report Share Posted March 6, 2007 well thats not true is it!!!!you can run profile - king - soon to be hopeso not exactly eh oh and is the guy up there telling me that having a 116mm axle isnt any stronger than a 135mm axle. Its the same diameter but shorter thus less chance of it snapping/cracking....i arent going to show you calculations.and it is possible to get the 07 frames in 135mm axles i think you will find also, so deng will sell exactly the same amount of frames. he is just trying new things with these new frames.its just progression. if it doesnt work in a selling point of view then its unfortunate for deng, but i think it will become more popular... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
abtrials Posted March 6, 2007 Report Share Posted March 6, 2007 i think that horizontal drop outs are a good idea but they need to have the same 135mm spacing as a normal bike?fortunatly i have the best of both worlds as i have a zenith, which i am running 18tooth up front 17tooth rear, KMC cool chain and i have it running sigle speed with no tensioner at all, oh yea and i can use my pro 2 (best hub ever) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Martin Grainger Posted March 6, 2007 Report Share Posted March 6, 2007 best idea ever, not derailier to kill, and isnt it legal in comps now? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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