Ben Cox Posted February 27, 2007 Report Share Posted February 27, 2007 plus if you and your mates bikes are inline for example, you would controll each others brakes, plus you would need a signal so you leaver came back out again becuase usually when you let go it goes back out... but the brake would stay on, unless something was pushing it back , e.g hose with blood or w.eor a very simple spring? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Krisboats Posted February 27, 2007 Report Share Posted February 27, 2007 Just have different crystals for different freqeucies , like on RC cars.Obviously we would have to devise a system for displaying our own "band" crystal.Maybe a flag?Thats absolutely fine until your riding down the street and someone turns on their microwave or some kids play with a toy car/helicopterplane and you get sent flying. On something as important as your brake you don't want it being controlled by unnecessary technology. Theres also the whole compression of the caliper idea that needs to be sorted, hydraulic fluid in the caliper is almost out of the question, a servo may work but it'd need to be damn strong and ultimately far more expensive than the new echo brake. Then theres the problem with lever feel and the ability to feather your brake slightly. Not to mention the size of the unit, it'd have so much more stuff on it that the weight and size would be ridiculous. Then theres a need for a power supply, wheres it going to be mounted? How do you charge it up? what happens if it dies mid-ride? I mean, you could use a dynamo and charge it up by riding around but us trials riders don't ride very far at all and use our brakes loads. Its people like the above that stop technological progression. If something as high tech as an aeoroplane still uses hydraulic cables instead of radio signals then why would it be need on a bike? Theres nothing wrong with the current setup, unless you say falling and ripping the hose could be a problem but then again landing on a rail and denting your frame could be a problem, has anyone invented a device that automatically senses when your falling and raises the pressure of the downtube to make it more dent resistant? No. Why? Because its not necessary.Before you say i'm stopping technological progression too. Theres no way me saying this is going to stop some big-head company making one should they want to. The only thing you might say is that i'm stopping technological acceptance, but then as its not invented yet its not an issue. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dan6061 Posted February 27, 2007 Report Share Posted February 27, 2007 Ha..battery powered brakes.If you get rechargeable ones, you're sorted.Until 'Oh shit..I forgot to charge by brake up..sorry lads, can't ride today' Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greetings Posted February 27, 2007 Report Share Posted February 27, 2007 Just a thought really, if the caliper had an IR port one could upload ring tones onto it, or maybe even full videos if the brake was equipped with Kingston brake pads (apparently SanDisk brake pads are not good for trials use). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrAd-Tpro Posted February 27, 2007 Report Share Posted February 27, 2007 I have the best idea Lets just keep them how they are? Simple ,safe and no buying any parts to keep them running every 2 days. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
abe Posted February 27, 2007 Report Share Posted February 27, 2007 i dont understand why people have to laugh at him, as he said it was an idea. but yer, there are so many factors that would restrict the manufactur of the brake, and people may not have enough trust, and there would have to be a point where the owner could adjust the power of the brake, getting the brake to have modulation would be pretty much immpossible, meaning the brake is basically on or off, which could lead to accidents, going downhill esspecially. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Simpson Posted February 27, 2007 Report Share Posted February 27, 2007 Until 'Oh shit..I forgot to charge by brake up..sorry lads, can't ride today'Na you could just wack a AA battery in there and free to ride! picture it oh my brake needs a fresh charge tonight! anyway i think its a good thread ive got my opinion on it but i cba to type it all out lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christophe' Posted February 27, 2007 Report Share Posted February 27, 2007 (edited) Thats absolutely fine until your riding down the street and someone turns on their microwave or some kids play with a toy car/helicopterplane and you get sent flying. On something as important as your brake you don't want it being controlled by unnecessary technology. Theres also the whole compression of the caliper idea that needs to be sorted, hydraulic fluid in the caliper is almost out of the question, a servo may work but it'd need to be damn strong and ultimately far more expensive than the new echo brake. Then theres the problem with lever feel and the ability to feather your brake slightly. Not to mention the size of the unit, it'd have so much more stuff on it that the weight and size would be ridiculous. Then theres a need for a power supply, wheres it going to be mounted? How do you charge it up? what happens if it dies mid-ride? I mean, you could use a dynamo and charge it up by riding around but us trials riders don't ride very far at all and use our brakes loads. If something as high tech as an aeoroplane still uses hydraulic cables instead of radio signals then why would it be need on a bike? Theres nothing wrong with the current setup, unless you say falling and ripping the hose could be a problem but then again landing on a rail and denting your frame could be a problem, has anyone invented a device that automatically senses when your falling and raises the pressure of the downtube to make it more dent resistant? No. Why? Because its not necessary.Before you say i'm stopping technological progression too. Theres no way me saying this is going to stop some big-head company making one should they want to. The only thing you might say is that i'm stopping technological acceptance, but then as its not invented yet its not an issue.I can see where you are coming from there Kris, about the radio signals.Its obvious to me this whole idea could be fairly practical just aslong as the signal could be kept specific to each bike!Thats where Digi TV technology could help.How about sending a digital signal from the brake lever using UHF 480-850mhz to the caliper/ large heavy lead acid battery pack?Yes i know the signal would have to be de-multiplexed at the caliper before anyone says.There are endless specifical 1's and zeros for all the trials riders in the world.And I agree, stop taking the piss out of HarmerTrials.Very interesting project Edited February 27, 2007 by VillageDave Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Simpson Posted February 27, 2007 Report Share Posted February 27, 2007 And I agree, stop taking the piss out of HarmerTrials.Very interesting project i thought it was a quality topic! have thought about it a few times before! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bionicman Posted February 28, 2007 Report Share Posted February 28, 2007 or why dont you just have ye olde hose and fluid Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
harmertrials Posted February 28, 2007 Author Report Share Posted February 28, 2007 come on guys, lighten up. It was only an idea that could be developed and my aim was to start a topic without people being sarcastic and annoying, Its just a thought and I understand now that it would take alot of effort and money but my target is to get rid of hoses. It will happen eventually. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrAd-Tpro Posted February 28, 2007 Report Share Posted February 28, 2007 (edited) come on guys, lighten up. It was only an idea that could be developed and my aim was to start a topic without people being sarcastic and annoying, Its just a thought and I understand now that it would take alot of effort and money but my target is to get rid of hoses. It will happen eventually.Yes , good idea but if you really think about it mate , is infra-red brakes really possible or should i say, a advantage of maguras? Edited February 28, 2007 by BrAd-Tpro Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tryallmaster Posted February 28, 2007 Report Share Posted February 28, 2007 Yeah, i have this button on my bike and when i press it........... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
harmertrials Posted February 28, 2007 Author Report Share Posted February 28, 2007 Yeah, i have this button on my bike and when i press it...........leave it out mate. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robwalker Posted February 28, 2007 Report Share Posted February 28, 2007 Pete wright has a pair of these and is testing them for Magura at the moment. Honest.. He told me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
harmertrials Posted February 28, 2007 Author Report Share Posted February 28, 2007 I'm not so sure but ok. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dan6061 Posted February 28, 2007 Report Share Posted February 28, 2007 I'm not so sure but ok. Pete Wright is widely known across the world of Trials-Forum for bullshitting.He has said many things, been found out, yest denies it. Such as posting pictures that are apparently his own, that are actually from some weird Chinese sight. - Didn't even think about re-uploading them.But yeah..Brakes idea is pretty good...can' figure out how it'd work, but i'm not clever enough for all that technical shiznit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luke Rainbird Posted February 28, 2007 Report Share Posted February 28, 2007 Meh, leave Pete alone, he's alright Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Simon Posted February 28, 2007 Report Share Posted February 28, 2007 Meh, leave Pete alone, he's alrightAbout as alright as my brakes being controlled by infa-red...Its got nothing to do with holding back technological advances, the idea is ludicrous.I'm simply repeating other peoples posts here, but consider this...What do you do about lever pressure?How does the lever know when the pads are returning?How does it adjust for pad wear? (tpa...)Power; batteries, solar, rechargeable phone-esque styleMassive scope for interference, from hundreds of sourcesNot to mention the complexity of it if you actually did consider all these thingsFinally, of course, the price of the end product.Would the price really justify the ability to be using no cables? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dave85 Posted February 28, 2007 Report Share Posted February 28, 2007 Power brakes are a good idea , the only real drawback is that any power brake system lacks "feel". I've seen units for railway use that work on a RF transmitter. You could have pneumatic rather than hydraulic units, similar to the shimano airlines shifting system for DH bikes. Use would be limited, but I'm sure you could get a comps-worth of brake use out of a rechargable reciever. Pad wear and position could be controlled by a feedback system. What would really kill the job is the sensors needed don't like heavy knocks, so a few bad landings or one stack would finish them off.Keep thinking, one silly idea leads to another, every so often you get a good idea coming out Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tylerlovesalex Posted February 28, 2007 Report Share Posted February 28, 2007 Next we can have a computerized drive system,then wouldn't need to worry about trousers getting caught,and u could set up your gear just how u like it using a switch lol.then i woke up??? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pitbull-91 Posted February 28, 2007 Report Share Posted February 28, 2007 (edited) Next we can have a computerized drive system,then wouldn't need to worry about trousers getting caught,and u could set up your gear just how u like it using a switch lol.then i woke up???yeah i herd pete wright has designed these in conjunction with hope, it is going to be called the correct wright way to pedal, it will also include invisable wires, titanium holes, and a rubber chain to make your bike feel bouncy. It will also be easier to pedal and cheaper than a can of coke.AdamPower brakes are a good idea , the only real drawback is that any power brake system lacks "feel". I've seen units for railway use that work on a RF transmitter. You could have pneumatic rather than hydraulic units, similar to the shimano airlines shifting system for DH bikes. Use would be limited, but I'm sure you could get a comps-worth of brake use out of a rechargable reciever. Pad wear and position could be controlled by a feedback system. What would really kill the job is the sensors needed don't like heavy knocks, so a few bad landings or one stack would finish them off.Keep thinking, one silly idea leads to another, every so often you get a good idea coming out the only problem with pneumatics would be the air compreses there for the lever would be reather squidgy. AdamIve just thought why not make an automatic gear system??????, would be rather cool, maybe at a certian amount of turns per second it will change up or down a gear. Adam Edited February 28, 2007 by pitbull-91 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dave85 Posted February 28, 2007 Report Share Posted February 28, 2007 Shimano make an automatic hub gear, they fit it to shopping bikes usually, its proper wierd feeling the thing change gear when it wants to. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flipkickbs Posted March 1, 2007 Report Share Posted March 1, 2007 (edited) The battery could be charged by a complex water wheel hooked up to the drive train. This would then charge the lightweight car battery discretely mounted on the handlebars. Some sort of radio tower could be fitted to the stem which would send the signal to the receivers hooked up to the servos powering the magnetic cylinders. While were at it maybe a 125/250cc engine could be fitted to the bike and the car battery could be linked to an alternator. Also i believe boot space is essential, so a unit on the back of the bike for those mid-ride picnics may be extremely beneficial. If i tried to think of the worst idea second to taking my brakes off entirely. I would go ahead and see about the wireless braking. Cables ***. Edited March 1, 2007 by flipkickbs Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tryallmaster Posted March 1, 2007 Report Share Posted March 1, 2007 I love these topics...... HAHA! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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