NVWOCI WVS Posted February 27, 2007 Author Report Share Posted February 27, 2007 wow!i didnt realise so many people had such strong views on king and hope hubs!thanks very much, from what i've heard the hope sounds more reliable and lower maintenance?...which i reckon is going to suit me!cheers Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ash-Kennard Posted February 27, 2007 Report Share Posted February 27, 2007 well, me dan, alex and soon pip all ride with them, ever skipped on you or us for tht matter? no. the only one ive ever seen skip was richs when i raped his front wheel, whereas ive seen countless kings skip...so i feel you calling the hubs failure isnt really justified Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mafu26 Posted February 27, 2007 Report Share Posted February 27, 2007 DMR Relover with an ENO or similar. Wider flange spacing = stronger wheelchoice of number of contacts if you choose a different freewheelcombo cheaper than both CK and hopenot everyone in the world has them! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nmt_oli Posted February 27, 2007 Report Share Posted February 27, 2007 (edited) well, me dan, alex and soon pip all ride with them, ever skipped on you or us for tht matter? no. the only one ive ever seen skip was richs when i raped his front wheel, whereas ive seen countless kings skip...so i feel you calling the hubs failure isnt really justifiedAsh, i never siad kings don't skip, but i do indeed fell that Hope have failed with the objective here, they set out to design a strong TRIALS SPECIFIC hub. Compared to the king they are a relatively new hub, yet seem to have had as much publicity with problems in trials from what i have personally seen. They had problem with the hubshell, granted that was probably down to excesive spoke tension, and has been sorted, but was a problem none the less, and king hubshells are damaged as there not designed with such extreme use in mind, the Hope WAS! Richs hub seems to have been the worsed skip i have witnessed, and i have explained in a previous post how the king and hope skips differ, and why. Freds has skipped, ive ridden it and its skipped slightly on me, as Chris says mike's from salisbury is bad, i have seen it skip many times, and ash don't try and say none of your guys hubs have never skipped on you! they have! Maybe not as extreme as a king, but they have!From what i can see, i have to say i may not be right, i dont have sales figures vs returns, but the ProIIt seems to have had as many problems in trials use as the Hope XC, if not more. This to me constitutes a failure in meting the design criteria! Remember king never set out to design a trials specific hub! Edited February 27, 2007 by nmt_oli Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boon racoon Posted February 27, 2007 Report Share Posted February 27, 2007 DMR Relover with an ENO or similar. Wider flange spacing = stronger wheelchoice of number of contacts if you choose a different freewheelcombo cheaper than both CK and hopenot everyone in the world has them!you get to look street like street Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nmt_oli Posted February 27, 2007 Report Share Posted February 27, 2007 Very limited choice with gearing though! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil H Posted February 27, 2007 Report Share Posted February 27, 2007 Been reading this thread for a number of days.Become clear to me whatever hub you buy out of the two there is always going to be people who have suffered at the hands of the hub. No product is perfect.I'm not a good person to comment on this as I run a hope xc (which is trustworthy). However if you've got the money King definetly has respect in the trials community which says something about its quality. (like middleburns for example)The above would push me in the direction of King but my mate ran pro 2's succesfully on his downhill bike which might say something.Personally I wouldn't get a king as I couldn't really justify the money with myself. Just a couple of my thoughts.Phil Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RobinJI Posted February 27, 2007 Report Share Posted February 27, 2007 Very limited choice with gearing though!Yeah, it sucks, sp someone bring out your trials freewheels in some other sizes than 18t! Also if you ever want to ride comps that need 6 gears its new hub time. Also it's heavyer.Saying that I run this setup with a DMR revolver and an ACS freewheel (only one I could find in 16t although aparently trials-man can get/do have some 16t and 17t Try-alls) and its never skipped on me, on the rear ACS freewheels are alot better, they never come loose and seem like alot lees maintainence is needed. It's not just me either, Ben more was running this for ages (only with an echo screw-on hub) and I never heard of it skipping, he eventualy got an ENO for christmas just for the quality and noise. Oh yeah, you can get enos in 16t and 17t, but only in the 36 engagement version. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeCottTrials Posted February 27, 2007 Report Share Posted February 27, 2007 DMR Relover with an ENO or similar. Wider flange spacing = stronger wheelchoice of number of contacts if you choose a different freewheelcombo cheaper than both CK and hopenot everyone in the world has them!My perfect setup except the choice of teeth on freewheels is way to limitedPraying for a 15 or 14 tooth freewheel in the future :bow: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rusevelt Posted February 28, 2007 Report Share Posted February 28, 2007 If anyone does get the Pro2, then get the 2nd generation models as they are claimed to be stronger build. number of riders have snapped the 1st generation hub shell. one rider snapped his 2nd Pro2 hub clean after pedalling away from a trackstand (at london ride). Very weird to see a snapped hub shell that is machined from a solid billet of alu. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathopper Posted February 28, 2007 Report Share Posted February 28, 2007 Pro 2 hands down never had a proper problem with mine, only when i ground my rim some of the aluminium swarf got inside and broke a few pawl spring clips, but after a service its fine, I would really recommend this hub PRO2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Janson Posted February 28, 2007 Report Share Posted February 28, 2007 i had a fair bit of trouble with my king when i first got it.. skipped lots, kept coming loose etc. but got new drive and driven rings on warranty off aspire, and a new axle because i snapped the end of the old one.i then took it fully apart, cleaned and lubed, and it's been good since then. it's a really nice hub.i rode acs front freewheel for a year or two before i got the king, and had no trouble with it. skipped once i think, and was perfect. didn't break either, just had to let go of it as i got my king.they're good hubs if you can use tools.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mafu26 Posted February 28, 2007 Report Share Posted February 28, 2007 Very limited choice with gearing though!unless your a comp head and probably even then the majority of people in my opinion run the same gear for general trials riding... i understand that this will limit you when running a freewheel on 26 for comps...i think alot of people over look it keep it real Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brian Bleech Posted February 28, 2007 Report Share Posted February 28, 2007 unless your a comp head and probably even then the majority of people in my opinion run the same gear for general trials riding... i understand that this will limit you when running a freewheel on 26 for comps...i think alot of people over look it keep it real your dmr/eno combo feel really good dude, but yeah the limted choice of gearing is probably the worse thing, I don't think I could a freewheel equivalent of the 20-15 on mine... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mafu26 Posted February 28, 2007 Report Share Posted February 28, 2007 your dmr/eno combo feel really good dude, but yeah the limted choice of gearing is probably the worse thing, I don't think I could a freewheel equivalent of the 20-15 on mine...get some straight cranks so you can fit a 22T ring and get back to work! heheheits still underated though.. at least if you freewheel packs in then its not a case of sending your wheel and you don't need expensive tools like you need for a king... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brian Bleech Posted February 28, 2007 Report Share Posted February 28, 2007 get some straight cranks so you can fit a 22T ring and get back to work! heheheits still underated though.. at least if you freewheel packs in then its not a case of sending your wheel and you don't need expensive tools like you need for a king...my cranks are straight, its just my bb that isn't ... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RobinJI Posted February 28, 2007 Report Share Posted February 28, 2007 ...I don't think I could a freewheel equivalent of the 20-15 on mine...24-18 exactly the same, both 32 gear inch, and gives a massive choice of trials freewheels. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brian Bleech Posted February 28, 2007 Report Share Posted February 28, 2007 24-18 exactly the same, both 32 gear inch, and gives a massive choice of trials freewheels. true, but not many 24T bashguards out there... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bigman Posted February 28, 2007 Report Share Posted February 28, 2007 I have to agree with Prawny here, i have had a rear CK classic since june/july 2003 and it gave me a few probems to start, due to pete wright killing the drive rings and spring, since having new drive rings and springs fitted in autom 2003 it has given me no troubles.I have seen many pro 2's skip and i don't think i could trust one.Adam Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
max-t Posted February 28, 2007 Report Share Posted February 28, 2007 King hus are deffinately worth it if you know how to maintain them properly. I.e cleaning and the right lubrication. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ogre Posted February 28, 2007 Report Share Posted February 28, 2007 (edited) If anyone does get the Pro2, then get the 2nd generation models as they are claimed to be stronger build. number of riders have snapped the 1st generation hub shell. one rider snapped his 2nd Pro2 hub clean after pedalling away from a trackstand (at london ride). Very weird to see a snapped hub shell that is machined from a solid billet of alu.doesn't that show something else though? like a metal failure compared to actual strength (this makes sence in my head) thats a faulty batch but i've seen theses hubs getting beasted no problems i run a eno so i don't have much experienec in freehubs. but i don't see how a king justifies the price tag.Don't you need a really expensive tool to crack open your king? compared to a lockring tool and probably one or to other things you need to open up a "normal" freehub? Edited February 28, 2007 by ogre Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fishy Posted February 28, 2007 Report Share Posted February 28, 2007 After seeing/hearing kevs (trials punk182) king, I would poo it doing anything big. Although, saying that, it needs a damn good clean. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RobinJI Posted February 28, 2007 Report Share Posted February 28, 2007 true, but not many 24T bashguards out there...Pretty sure you can get one behind any bash that monts to a spider, like an ard guard, but by the time you've spent out on a new spider+bash or new cranks you might aswell get a cassete hub. meh. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greetings Posted February 28, 2007 Report Share Posted February 28, 2007 At a guess the 22T Middleburn bash will be just fine for a 24T chainring. After all 16T are ok for 18T chainrings Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luke Rainbird Posted February 28, 2007 Report Share Posted February 28, 2007 I ran a 22t bash with 24t ring for a fair while and never had any problems Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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