6 Working Gears At Comps........

[oakley]

It is 15. Could anyone tell me.Would i be able to ride a 26" at the british rounds this year in expert? Even though I wasn't 15 at the start of the year. But i will be before the first round. Any help on that will be good

ON topic.

I think the rule is abit too harsh but it's one of the only things separating stocks from mods now.(and abviously the size)

Matt Rushton

yer, as long as you are 15 in the year you want to ride thats fine!

you get what i mean. so you wouldnt even have to be 15 until the 31st of december and you would still be able to ride 26!

and dave it is 15 not 14!

Edited February 24, 2007 by oakley

[Sketchy]

Thanks for reading the thread and responding so quickly Fred.

"The BIU have listened to the opinions of their Delegates and taken other matters into consideration. It is interesting to note that some manufacturers and influential forces within cycling media wish the rule to be retained. All views have to be considered.

That said, the problem we have to face up to is that there are those whose hobby for some time has been pseudo Trials activity, not competition.

It has been suggested in this thread already that people have been put off of competition riding due to the six gear rule

A situation exists where by we have a core of dedicated competitors who have always accepted the rules as they stand and another group of interested riders who have honed their skills on the streets, possibly unaware of the rules and regs that exist at comps, the Bikes the latter group ride will not have been built with a focus on comps.

How many of these riders that have accepted these OLD rules would prefer to ride single-speed, or atleast have the option to?

How many of these riders would kick up a fuss if someone rides along side them with 5 less gears...

It makes good sense for the UCI to allow single speed. What do have in a UCI final? 10 or fewer riders competing over 8 sections with a time limit of about an hour, very exciting, very fast, but no time for repairs, so the risk of mechanical failure should be kept to a minimum. In BIU comps there is time to effect a repairs, the potential winner is unlikely to miss the podium due to 10 minutes spent changing a mech hanger.

Exactly, its proven that it works. So if we incorporate the option, seeing as BIU has time for repairs it would be the ultimate

So, what do forum users want at British championships?

As it stands the gear rule will remain for the BIU British Championships, but the comps are there, the sections are laid out, why not accommodate single speed Bike riders. If together we can come up with a workable solution it will happen.

I don't agree that the 6 gear rule will remain, especially not without more discussion, or presentation of the BIU discussion

However, i am delighted that the idea is not just simply turned down like that - it looks that there may be a chance that we might evolve.

Some suggestions;

1) A street class for single speeders, over a cocktail Red and Blue Route sections?

2) Single speeders may enter the Red route, appear in the results, but do not gain Championship points but contest a street class?

Fred."

If people are not going to get the glory they deserve through skill alone, then thats just wrong.

Im pleased that "The BIU have listened to the opinions of their Delegates and taken other matters into consideration" but is the above the best they can come up with? Having separate classes for stock will make things unnecessarily complicated.

Have they taken into consideration that it can be a hinderance to the running single-speed. What I'm saying is that it is both helpful (weight, simplicity) and restricting (cannot ride fast) at the same time.

Allowing optional gearing may increase the amount of competitors at competitions.

BTW, since BIU rules were created how many have been deemed useless and removed to accommodate trials bikes or even riders.

Why do we remove the seatpost and saddle from a trials bike? To save weight and get it out of the way. Should we make it a rule that a stock trials bike must have a working seatpost and saddle!? If we did incorporate this as a rule along with 6 gears, it would mean that people would waste less energy riding from section to section, and not look like a goon with no saddle.

And honestly, no matter how you change a stock trials bike, IT WILL NEVER BE A MOD. So i don't see how people can say, well if you take away gears its basically a mod bike with big wheels.

One last thing, manufacturers are willing to play God (cant believe i just wrote that) and create (really shouldn't have written create after regretting writing play God) all kinds of mongrel trials bikes like the Koxx Demon Boy and frames with 116mm dropouts. Could be the future..

Does this show anything else other than the fact that trials is changing rapidly. EVEN manufacturers can see these changes, act upon it or even experiment! (Im so glad that experimenting is now able to take place!)

The fact is that for them to do this, they must know some people will buy it and go against competition rules. Therefore re enforcing how farcical the working 6 gear rule is!

James

[rugbyman]

The BIU have listened to the opinions of their Delegates and taken other matters into consideration. It is interesting to note that some manufacturers and influential forces within cycling media wish the rule to be retained. All views have to be considered.

That said, the problem we have to face up to is that there are those whose hobby for some time has been pseudo Trials activity, not competition. A situation exists where by we have a core of dedicated competitors who have always accepted the rules as they stand and another group of interested riders who have honed their skills on the streets, possibly unaware of the rules and regs that exist at comps, the Bikes the latter group ride will not have been built with a focus on comps.

It makes good sense for the UCI to allow single speed. What do have in a UCI final? 10 or fewer riders competing over 8 sections with a time limit of about an hour, very exciting, very fast, but no time for repairs, so the risk of mechanical failure should be kept to a minimum.

In BIU comps there is time to effect a repairs, the potential winner is unlikely to miss the podium due to 10 minutes spent changing a mech hanger.

So, what do forum users want at British championships?

As it stands the gear rule will remain for the BIU British Championships, but the comps are there, the sections are laid out, why not accommodate single speed Bike riders. If together we can come up with a workable solution it will happen.

Some suggestions;

1) A street class for single speeders, over a cocktail Red and Blue Route sections?

2) Single speeders may enter the Red route, appear in the results, but do not gain Championship points but contest a street class?

Fred.

from the flavour of this discussion it would appear that sometimes people think the BIU don't consider what is best for its riders at comps. there is an interesting discussion currently taking place between all the national delegates, i know fred has already voted. see read the news!

[Sketchy]

from the flavour of this discussion it would appear that sometimes people think the BIU don't consider what is best for its riders at comps. there is an interesting discussion currently taking place between all the national delegates, i know fred has already voted. see read the news!

I wouldnt say that, i think they are doing a great job - lucky it even exists really.

I think they have lots to take onboard though..

[joe b]

BTW, since BIU rules were created how many have been deemed useless and removed to accommodate trials bikes or even riders.

Why do we remove the seatpost and saddle from a trials bike? To save weight and get it out of the way. Should we make it a rule that a stock trials bike must have a working seatpost and saddle!? If we did incorporate this as a rule along with 6 gears, it would mean that people would waste less energy riding from section to section, and not look like a goon with no saddle.

And honestly, no matter how you change a stock trials bike, IT WILL NEVER BE A MOD. So i don't see how people can say, well if you take away gears its basically a mod bike with big wheels.

One last thing, manufacturers are willing to play God (cant believe i just wrote that) and create (really shouldn't have written create after regretting writing play God) all kinds of mongrel trials bikes like the Koxx Demon Boy and frames with 116mm dropouts. Could be the future..

Does this show anything else other than the fact that trials is changing rapidly. EVEN manufacturers can see these changes, act upon it or even experiment! (Im so glad that experimenting is now able to take place!)

The fact is that for them to do this, they must know some people will buy it and go against competition rules. Therefore re enforcing how farcical the working 6 gear rule is!

James

Someone get this guy an OBE or MBE or something ...

Cheers,

Joe.

[Waynio]

you take the GEARS off a MTB and it becomes a BIG BMX therefore you take the gears off a MTB TRIALS bike and it becomes a MOD trials bike pretty simple. if you look at all the "old skool" riders they always seem to have gears on their bikes. its like taking the breasts off a girl she becomes more of a male, take the c**k off a lad and hes a girl. you cant take gears off a MOUNTAIN bike.

i dont really care if i run singlespeed or gears at the end of the day if you have to ride with 6 gears at the worlds then its NOT the british side of things that can help it its the WORLD comittee.

HAHA Dave an other CLUB advertisement Tyke Trial is BikeTrial come and ride what you want any bike any size HAVE FUN enjoy yourself and ride at a club with over 110 members the best club in the north, with members from the age of 5 or 6 upto (John P ) are you a mere 36

Waynio............................

EDIT: UCI have adapted the single speed rule, you look at what Sketchy has said, all that you intialise in there is all based around UCI format of riding, dont forget BIU is totally different, run by different people etc etc. the bikes with shorter dropouts, bikes with higher b/b are designed around UCI riding. if you disagree why do koxx have (and have had) most UCI world champs,world cup winners and they are designing bikes around THAT particular discipine.

Edited February 25, 2007 by Waynio

[trialsalot]

hey,

interesting debate this is. i prefer single speed myself. i'd like to put my reasons forward to the committee about reasons why i think the competitors at the next brits could run single speed.

i dont have the finger stamina to type ALL my reasons out so i'd sooner do it with a beer in one hand.

Who is on the committee and who would i write this letter to?

craig

[BikeTrial Federation]

Who is on the committee and who would i write this letter to?

craig

Write to Fred Savage, he is the BIU Delegate.

[trialsalot]

Write to Fred Savage, he is the BIU Delegate.

who else is on the committee Fred?cheers for answering by the way.

craig

[oakley]

Write to Fred Savage, he is the BIU Delegate.

well, he is the BIU delegate for biketrial uk!

But then he isn't the delegate for the what could be called 'original' biketrial UK.

And btw, if no-one understood that, there is now TWO biketrial uk's and there will be TWO british championships!

and for one of them, the 'original' one the gears rule has been scrapped!!!!

Edited February 25, 2007 by oakley

[Stan Shaw]

But then he isn't the delegate for the what could be called 'original' biketrial UK.

And btw, if no-one understood that, there is now TWO biketrial uk's and there will be TWO british championships!

and for one of them, the 'original' one the gears rule has been scrapped!!!!

Care to expand on this Joe?

[trialsalot]

well, he is the BIU delegate for biketrial uk!

But then he isn't the delegate for the what could be called 'original' biketrial UK.

And btw, if no-one understood that, there is now TWO biketrial uk's and there will be TWO british championships!

and for one of them, the 'original' one the gears rule has been scrapped!!!!

EH!! thats confusing Mr oakley....who's the original one.....my minds boggled by this

craig

[oakley]

well boys, i only found out today, but apparently, the british biketrial comitee dont all agree, (naming no names in this btw), and a comitee was picked, but i beleieve that somebody wasn't picked who thinks they should have bin and has started biketrial uk, or as i will now call it dyketrial uk. (just to make things less confusing ofcourse ) So this year there will now be two sets of british rounds. Biketrial uk. the Original one, is the one which has scrapped the gears rule! and they are also supplying free licenses, national and international i believe.

Basically that is all i no, missing out a few minor things.

so... there is going to be two sets of british rounds this year, and two british champions in each class. dead good

[trialsalot]

oh my god.....this is all a bit odd. Thanks Joe.

Craig

[oakley]

And btw, no-one moan at me for writing this, i just thought i would tell the community, the people interested. and i also beieve they have a right to know!

[Ash-Kennard]

well boys, i only found out today, but apparently, the british biketrial comitee dont all agree, (naming no names in this btw), and a comitee was picked, but i beleieve that somebody wasn't picked who thinks they should have bin and has started biketrial uk, or as i will now call it dyketrial uk. (just to make things less confusing ofcourse ) So this year there will now be two sets of british rounds. Biketrial uk. the Original one, is the one which has scrapped the gears rule! and they are also supplying free licenses, national and international i believe.

Basically that is all i no, missing out a few minor things.

so... there is going to be two sets of british rounds this year, and two british champions in each class. dead good

sounds good, so where will all these other competitions be shown as venues and such?

[Stan Shaw]

Looks like the original Biketrial UK have taken some much needed steps forward. The idea of free licenses and no gears WILL certainly get more riders involved!

[AdamR28]

All sounds very interesting... is there anyone who can confirm all this?

It would be nice to have everything that has happened out in the open, like Joe says, the trials community has a right to know what's happening regarding the competitions they will be riding in this season!

[Deonn h]

This sound good , alot more people will enter .. it`s a stupid rule.And how the hell does taking gears off a 26" make it a 20" lmao it`s stupid it rides the same in every way.

And replying to biketrial uk - quote "In BIU comps there is time to effect a repairs, the potential winner is unlikely to miss the podium due to 10 minutes spent changing a mech hanger"

in reply to that ^^ Surley wouldn`t want people to be having to repairing their bike? And if going single speed would be an advantage everyone would do it so whats the big deal lol

Less things to hit , less time to set up , no messing around , Everyones happy! problem solved.Listen to the majority of people who actually want the change rather than the few who just don`t want it as the think it changes their bike into a mod.And it would attract more people to the comps which is surley what you want?

and quote "Some suggestions;

1) A street class for single speeders, over a cocktail Red and Blue Route sections?

2) Single speeders may enter the Red route, appear in the results, but do not gain Championship points but contest a street class?"

what makes you think single speed riders are street riders?

Oh i dent read the hole thread sorry lol if the rule has been scrapped

Edited February 25, 2007 by Deonn h

[AdamR28]

Have a look up a few posts Deonn, it appears the British Biketrial Committee have voted to abolish the gear rule for this year's nationals? At least that's what I can gather.

[Deonn h]

Have a look up a few posts Deonn, it appears the British Biketrial Committee have voted to abolish the gear rule for this year's nationals? At least that's what I can gather.

Oh rite lol i didnt manage to read the whole thread i was too eger sp? to get my point out lol .oh well cool if the rule has gone?

Edited February 25, 2007 by Deonn h

[Mark W]

There's a thread about this by one of the commitee, in the News Section, that had to be temporarily unapproved for "legal reasons" by the admin, so keep your eyes peeled and hopefully something concrete will come up.

[Sketchy]

Well, thats cheered up my monday morning

[modman]

To be honest, all this whinging about gears is sooooo petty.

Its not hard to slap on a rear mech and a cassette plus once you get used to using gears you find you will actually use more than one thus maybe giving you an advantage over some sections??

And another thing adding gears to your bike doesn't really add much weight to your bike so i think should stop being such pussies and get on with it!! Also Biketrial and Biketrial UK or whatever the two governing bodies are at the moment in the UK should have their heads bashed together because its going to be very confusing and pointless and having TWO british champs this year.

So overall my opinion at the moment about trials in general in the competition side of things is a load of bollocks! SORT IT OUT!!!

Jake

[Luke Rainbird]

To be honest, all this whinging about gears is sooooo petty.

Its not hard to slap on a rear mech and a cassette plus once you get used to using gears you find you will actually use more than one thus maybe giving you an advantage over some sections??

And another thing adding gears to your bike doesn't really add much weight to your bike so i think should stop being such pussies and get on with it!!

It's not so much that all singlespeed riders are against running gears due to weight or whatever though

I for one don't really want to splash out just for one comp that I may enter perhaps, just to get gears, shifters etc, when 99% of the time I will be riding street, and would prefer to run a singlespeed setup

If I was riding in every round of a comp, at a half-decent level then I would run gears, but for me at least it would be a lot simpler toi be able to just turn up, with my bike, and ride. I'm sure a fair few others feel exactly the same.

If the governing bodies want to get more people riding comps then they need to make it as cheap and as easy as they can for people. The more accessible it is, the higher attendance they will get