Shaun H Posted January 24, 2007 Report Share Posted January 24, 2007 theres nothing wrong with the internals in the current hubs, the splittage of the shells is most likley due to spoke stress. The broken hubs I have seen have still had perfectly functioning internals.btw, my hope is still clicking away without a problem, though I may be getting rid of one to get somthing lighter for comps.Pro3? Or a q/r King? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ali C Posted January 24, 2007 Report Share Posted January 24, 2007 I dont think I'll use a king again, I prefered my hope over kings I have had before. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaRtZ Posted January 24, 2007 Report Share Posted January 24, 2007 theres nothing wrong with the internals in the current hubs, the splittage of the shells is most likley due to spoke stress. The broken hubs I have seen have still had perfectly functioning internals.btw, my hope is still clicking away without a problem, though I may be getting rid of one to get somthing lighter for comps.didnt you rape the internals of the prototype pro2 on that rhyl ride with iolo a loonnng time ago either way, improvement is good and no doubt will prolong hub life Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ali C Posted January 24, 2007 Report Share Posted January 24, 2007 broke a bearing lol, even with all the bits of bearings in the ratchet, the engagments were still sweet, it just made a racket thats all lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ben Beckett Posted January 24, 2007 Report Share Posted January 24, 2007 I dont think I'll use a king again, I prefered my hope over kings I have had before.how come ali? i personally would never use a pro II i will always use a king, but that's me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shaun H Posted January 24, 2007 Report Share Posted January 24, 2007 how come ali? i personally would never use a pro II i will always use a king, but that's me.*ahem* sponsors *ahem* Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ben Beckett Posted January 24, 2007 Report Share Posted January 24, 2007 *ahem* sponsors *ahem*hahahahahaa trials shop hahaha lmao haha :lol: :lol: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shaun H Posted January 24, 2007 Report Share Posted January 24, 2007 hahahahahaa trials shop hahaha lmao haha :lol: :lol: I was talking about Ali's.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
future orange 660 Posted January 24, 2007 Report Share Posted January 24, 2007 i didnt mean the internals i.e. the ratchet.. i meant the internal profiling of the hubshell itself.. to produce different wall thicknesses etc Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ben@LeicesterTrials Posted January 24, 2007 Report Share Posted January 24, 2007 I'm going from a Chris King to a Pro2 When I had a Profile 48EP's when I ride mod I much preferd that engagement to a King.Can't wait to get a Pro2, after using Kings all the time personally I'm looking forward to getting a Hope, I've had nothing but problams with Kings e.g. Skipping, Wobbles the one I have now is good at the minute but I just want a 48EP hub.Are they easy to service? how do you take them appart to lube them up etc? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gavtrials Posted January 24, 2007 Report Share Posted January 24, 2007 Quote from mr shrewsbury"Just go to a king or the old hopes mono's. Old hope mono's never fail me, and ill always use them"Clearly you go through them like water!I so far have been well impressed with the hope pro 2! I do understand ther does seem to be a weakness but like anything thats allways the case,My hope pro 2 is just shy of a year old and i have done nothing to it!! Its got some serious mileage on it!Its got me through everything in 2006 and even my bike has b thrown in a pool after a comps to clean it up so i cant complain about them, no matter what i have put it through its been amazing, still hasn't skipped yet either,I think the key is with them is to run them in, Its like anything you can't just go limiting your car from cold otherwise bye bye engine,I Put my wheel on my play bike for 2 weeks which i used to ride over to a mates or something so everything could bed in!I think this is really important to do if you can be bothered as the results i get are 100% amazing! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ashley Smith Posted January 24, 2007 Report Share Posted January 24, 2007 thats a 10% increase in strangth on the outside of the shell. who knows what the internals of the hub look like nowi didnt mean the internals i.e. the ratchet.. i meant the internal profiling of the hubshell itself.. to produce different wall thicknesses etcthey are excatly the same no internal profile has changedash Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheMunn Posted January 24, 2007 Report Share Posted January 24, 2007 Something about running them in...I never run mine in and its still fine. With a ratchet/pawl set-up like hope you shouldn't really need to bed them in ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ben@LeicesterTrials Posted January 25, 2007 Report Share Posted January 25, 2007 Can someone give me a Run down on how to service them? e.g. how to take the driveshell off etc? always had a Kingso don't really know how you get into a pawl hub well epesep from a Profile when i ride mod, but there mega easy. Are they the same? or do you have to take all the axle out blah blah? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ali C Posted January 25, 2007 Report Share Posted January 25, 2007 what are you wanting to do? the caps just pull off and so does the freehub body (watch the seal when putting back together!)But if your thinking you'll need to strip and service it like a king needs sometimes, then dont bother, hopes dont need touching or servicing as regually (if at all) as a king. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathopper Posted January 25, 2007 Report Share Posted January 25, 2007 Mines has buggered up on me twice now, the pulls kept snapping and I think one has just broke again now, according to the bike shop mechanic ther is some aluminum swarf inside coming from somewhere but doesnt know where Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ramps Posted January 25, 2007 Report Share Posted January 25, 2007 Mines has buggered up on me twice now, the pulls kept snapping and I think one has just broke again now, according to the bike shop mechanic ther is some aluminum swarf inside coming from somewhere but doesnt know where You grind your rim? I had a problem with swarf in my XC from grinding Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathopper Posted January 25, 2007 Report Share Posted January 25, 2007 Yeah ground rim but it was doing it before i ground my rim, also one of my bearings was destroying itself Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Waynio Posted January 26, 2007 Report Share Posted January 26, 2007 iv not broken one of mine yet.altho i think it can sometimes be with the wheel build being tight. iv had to cut down on "tight" wheel building. i for one havent had any slipping from my pro2's that i have.but hey, there maybe 1k out there, and 10 of that 1k have broke? fair play. out of 8 chris kings i had i snapped 4 shells personally thats a much worse "breakage" rate than pro2's. but thats all in the past.where theres something good there is always going to be some or one niggly bad point about everything, lucky for the pro2 hubs there are far more benefits than there are bad points Send it back to hope and then be amazed at the Warranty service. will be back to you within 3/4days!!!!Waynio............................... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T-Limburn Posted January 26, 2007 Report Share Posted January 26, 2007 i have heard of a few pro2 problems but that was just on the forum really.i would not be put off of buying one in the future though (if my king were to go badly wrong...)the pro2 is definately my next hub if something happens, but then i am hoping nothing will happen to the king. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Burrows Posted January 28, 2007 Author Report Share Posted January 28, 2007 Thanks for all the replies. I only really wanted to know if they had changed the design, so thanks to the people with knowledge on the subject. I happen to love the hubs but was surprised when it broke considering the use it has had. I don't ride as much as I used to and haven't done anything big or harsh in a long time. To the people trying to defend the breakages I will say this. I believe the shell is one thing that should NOT break. It is the most simple part to design as there is nothing to stop you making it as thick and strong as you need. The reason Kings fail is because they are lightweight XC hubs designed for XC use!. It is also extremely dangerous if a shell does break because you lose all engagment, throwing you forward and over the bars similar to a chain snap. I am only glad I wasn't trying anything big when it went else I could have lost some teeth. I think it is unacceptable to have hub shell failures in the first year. I am only glad Hope agree and recognise the issue, and have attempted to rectify it.I would fully understand if I had problems with the ratchet or pawls, but ironically they are in perfect condition and look brand new. This is one part of the design that seems to be spot on. I shall soon be receiving a new hub which I imagine will last a long time judging by the quality of the freehub. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ash-Kennard Posted January 28, 2007 Report Share Posted January 28, 2007 (edited) edit found oneas you can see, where the spokes have been tensioned to such an intense pressure, where people with powerful legs use alot of force, it simply rips the hub apart, a way to solve this problem is to run an eyeleted rim so you dont have t tension the wheel anywhere near the same pressures Edited January 28, 2007 by ash-kennard Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ali C Posted January 28, 2007 Report Share Posted January 28, 2007 I thought they whole point of an eyeleted rim was that you could get higher spoke tension without it ripping through the rim? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ash-Kennard Posted January 28, 2007 Report Share Posted January 28, 2007 I thought they whole point of an eyeleted rim was that you could get higher spoke tension without it ripping through the rim?yes, but it also lets you build wheels with less tension with the same strength as an eyeleted rim, i think. damn you ali, ive confused myself now Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
N.Wood Posted January 28, 2007 Report Share Posted January 28, 2007 (edited) The rim end would have nothing to do with it, surely? As has been said, the eyelets are there to add a bit more beef to the rim holes to allow higher spoke tension without the nipples ripping through. If you're tensioning enough for the rim to need eyelets, then the hub (if the problem with Hopes is too high tension) isn't gonna stand much chance Edited January 28, 2007 by N.Wood Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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