Joe Papasnap Maher Posted January 28, 2007 Report Share Posted January 28, 2007 (edited) Was he the bloke that doesnt really know englishohwell, if it was, i took a picture of his hub - this was his hub back in september at a london rideJKJkay, you cheecky f**k hahahYo know full well that i took that pic Edit - i take that back, LOL thats not my pic, but f**k me its VERY similar to the on i took Edited January 28, 2007 by JoeMaher Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shaun H Posted January 29, 2007 Report Share Posted January 29, 2007 Why, after all this bullshit about high spoke tension, have they just strengthened around where the ratchet is instead of beefing up the spoke flanges?In my eyes Ash the trialnoir guy has become a bit of an embassador for the Hope guys, and any others like Wayne etc. And when they argue with members on this forum basically calling them liars, and in the end it does end up not being spoke tension it doesn't give a very good impression. Just seems like they jump to a suitable excuse. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ashley Smith Posted January 29, 2007 Report Share Posted January 29, 2007 Why, after all this bullshit about high spoke tension, have they just strengthened around where the ratchet is instead of beefing up the spoke flanges?In my eyes Ash the trialnoir guy has become a bit of an embassador for the Hope guys, and any others like Wayne etc. And when they argue with members on this forum basically calling them liars, and in the end it does end up not being spoke tension it doesn't give a very good impression. Just seems like they jump to a suitable excuse.i can see where you are coming from,i wouldnt call what i put bullshit though, really, not when i am close friends with the deisgner at hope, anything i post i find information about first, i have never once on this forum called anyone a liar. i take into consideration any others views, a lot of the reason the hub was changed was due to feedback from this forum.spoke tension is more tha likely the reason it is nothing to do with the ratchetplease note anyone who has broekn a shell the ratchet ring has not split or cracked, it still funstions correctly, just the shell cracking around the ringanyway im not arhuing has it has been adressed.the design change is beefed up to the maximum wher the spokes are and the flanges have been changed slightyl, you can only beef them up s much there i.e. thickness due to the type of spoke used that seats in the hole drilled.it has been adressed anywayi don't no why people keep arguing about it.................................and people like me, wayne, mathew holdsworth................... had input into the hub when it was being tested. i would like to think we let people know infromation about the hope products and changes ash Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Egg Fried Rice Posted January 29, 2007 Report Share Posted January 29, 2007 Jkay, you cheecky f**k hahahYo know full well that i took that pic Edit - i take that back, LOL thats not my pic, but f**k me its VERY similar to the on i took hahaha you idiot lol JK Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
matthewholdsworth Posted January 29, 2007 Report Share Posted January 29, 2007 don't bring me into this!its true shell breakages shouldnt happen, hence the re-design, yes it is dangerous, and i wouldn't wish it on anyone, but incidents are RARE . its a toss up between strength and weight, which has been changed now due to failures which did not happen during the lengthy testing of this hubi wouldnt say its arguing, more discussing which is the whole idea of a forum. plus ash does get info straight from hope so its not like he spouts off made up rubbish, nor is he simply making "arguement" for "arguement's" sake to wind people up and make enemies.now i think thats a rather diplomatic response Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davetrials Posted January 29, 2007 Report Share Posted January 29, 2007 hope are only aware of 2 of these hubs f**king up, i was at a trade show with them today and they mentioned it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shaun H Posted January 30, 2007 Report Share Posted January 30, 2007 hope are only aware of 2 of these hubs f**king up, i was at a trade show with them today and they mentioned it.I wouldn't believe that. There's no way Hope would change the design just because of 2 breaking. Must have spoken to the wrong people as far as the trials hubs are concerned. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dan6061 Posted January 30, 2007 Report Share Posted January 30, 2007 I wouldn't believe that. There's no way Hope would change the design just because of 2 breaking. Must have spoken to the wrong people as far as the trials hubs are concerned.Maybe so, but they could be right in thinking that if all the hubs were made the exact same way, what's to say that the other [however many] wont do the same?They're the hub people, they know they're shit. We can only guess what needs sorting on them... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
future orange 660 Posted January 30, 2007 Report Share Posted January 30, 2007 but that was soon after the launch. they probably shit themselves and thought every one would break. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark W Posted January 30, 2007 Report Share Posted January 30, 2007 However, it certainly wouldn't be the first time a company was creative with the truth when talking about product failures, would it... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RobinJI Posted January 30, 2007 Report Share Posted January 30, 2007 Before I wright this, I'm not saying this IS the reason, I dont know that, and cant know that for sure, its just my input, don't go all TF and bite my head off. But:It is easily posible that it could be the ratchet not the spokes ripping it appart. Think about what happens when you overtighten a bolt into a whole, it has one of a few effects, it either strips the thread, or splits the body around the whole to pull though. Now, think about the way the ratchet ring screws in, and the the pressure exherted on it by the pawls rotating it thurther into the hub. This could easily split the hub shell if it was slightly underengineered. The spoke tension would probably add to the stress on it slightly, or sygnificantly, but the ratchet ring could have alot to do with it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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