Ghetto Rider Posted February 7, 2007 Report Share Posted February 7, 2007 lmao! The guys facial expression when he goes to pull the flip. - Like he's just caught his mum and bro at it!!..... lol ....People pull some funny faces when riding! - lol.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Concussion Posted February 7, 2007 Report Share Posted February 7, 2007 Go on Scotty, fuggin love this guy! :king: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gavyn. Posted February 8, 2007 Report Share Posted February 8, 2007 bmx's are short and heavy so once you've got the momentum the flip is the easy part trials bikes are fairly long and light making them incredibly difficult to get the momentum up. i'm sure danny could do them since he's got the front flip with the back brake on landing i doubt ashton would ever try one front flips are 10x harder than backflips and since he hurt his back on one of them... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davetrials Posted February 8, 2007 Report Share Posted February 8, 2007 be a brave boy back hop facing the oposite way to a drop and just hurl ur self backwards.easyahem. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brian Bleech Posted February 8, 2007 Report Share Posted February 8, 2007 bmx's are short and heavy so once you've got the momentum the flip is the easy part trials bikes are fairly long and light making them incredibly difficult to get the momentum up. i'm sure danny could do them since he's got the front flip with the back brake on landing i doubt ashton would ever try one front flips are 10x harder than backflips and since he hurt his back on one of them...Sorry the heavy bike/momentum arguement is a bollocks, modern bmx’s aren’t that much heavier than trials bikes for a start. Plus lighter bikes are easier to spin and stuff anyway. Some trials bikes (mainly mods and 24’s) are shortish, its mainly to do with the cockpit room. Who knows maybe high bb and low front might make it easier, because your weight is over the front end anyway.Also I don’t think front flips are harder than back flips, because with a frontflip, its all about weight transfer/momentum. Also if you look how much front flips have progressed compared to backflips to such a short space of time too. Iam sure Danny could do this if he tried and he thinks front flips are easier than back flips too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fixed Pants™ Posted February 8, 2007 Report Share Posted February 8, 2007 be a brave boy back hop facing the oposite way to a drop and just hurl ur self backwards.easyahem.And for a frontflip have a snap on the push of a button chain, basically doing the same front flip when your chain snaps on a gap/drop gap.Peasy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gavyn. Posted February 8, 2007 Report Share Posted February 8, 2007 Sorry the heavy bike/momentum arguement is a bollocks, modern bmx’s aren’t that much heavier than trials bikes for a start. Plus lighter bikes are easier to spin and stuff anyway. Some trials bikes (mainly mods and 24’s) are shortish, its mainly to do with the cockpit room. Who knows maybe high bb and low front might make it easier, because your weight is over the front end anyway.Also I don’t think front flips are harder than back flips, because with a frontflip, its all about weight transfer/momentum. Also if you look how much front flips have progressed compared to backflips to such a short space of time too. Iam sure Danny could do this if he tried and he thinks front flips are easier than back flips too.Yeah but you compare the length of a bmx to a zoo python and the weight i bet the bmx is a fair bit heavier and loads shorter maybe not in actual size but certainatly in feel, once you get the extra weight spinning which is easier because the bike is shorter you will find it easier to carry the rotation the full 360 degrees front flips are all about weight transfer and momentum which is exactly why they are harder. For a backflip as you go up the ramp and your front wheel leaves you've done 90 degrees of the rotation i presume all you need to from then on is keep leaning and pulling back on the bars until you've come far enough round to spot your landing.for a front flip you complete 90 degrees of a backflip then have to completely shift your weight and change how you use the momentum which is incredibly difficult you then have to complete the rotation completely blind to where your landing is which is also very difficultI'm sure danny said at fort augustus that he learned the front flip first and that he did find it easier but that is a matter of personal preferance and look at what he does on his bike i bet he finds those backwards stoppies dow hills easy too but 90% of trials riders can't do them Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brian Bleech Posted February 9, 2007 Report Share Posted February 9, 2007 Not really check out Eddie Cleveland's new bike (Ride bmx) weighs 23.5lbs! – most modern bmx’s aren’t significately heavier. Light bikes are better because you shifts in your bodyweight has greater affect on the bike, thus making it easier to do stuff!Yeah shorter feeling bikes are better for this sort of stuff, but mtb rider are flipping dual sus bikes which are fairly long and Ashton backflips his justice which is long and does that fine.As for the which is hardest. On a ramp, I think its more of even game. But I was referring to flipdrops (sorry didn’t make it clear) and in that respect frontflips are easier…Think about it your about to drop off a wall and you have to do frontflip or a backflip off it, which would you choose? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gavyn. Posted February 9, 2007 Report Share Posted February 9, 2007 front flip without a doubt! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RR_Trials Posted February 9, 2007 Report Share Posted February 9, 2007 Everyone is pushing themselves to try new/harder moves. IMO I think once sombody starts nailing them in some street wids its going to be front flits and backflips from then on.Rorz! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rusevelt Posted February 9, 2007 Report Share Posted February 9, 2007 Martyn Ashton was secretly working on the idea of a Backflip drop via learning the backflip jump. if you followed the HipHop articles years ago, Martyn 1st mentioned the idea of a backflip drop to bring something new and original to trials. martyn even stated (again in mbuk/hiphop) that learning the backflip jump was only the 1st part of his new trick. so you have to be a total retard in not figuring out what martyn was really up to. So unless martyn has suddenly got cold feet, i reckon he has abandoned the backflip drop possibly due to commitments with his demo & company work, after all, he is a family man and a pro rider that cant afford to take too many risks with new dynamic tricks. but im sure he hopes sometime in the near future, that someone will take up the challenge of learning it (Frontflip drop has already been dialled by that trialster on the monty). On the issue progression, no one is gonna backwheel 6ft via front bump/bunnyhop anytime soon. the same goes for sidehops as a 60in hop by someone is years away(checkout the 66in hop without a bike on youtube). Gapjumps, ive only seen Akrigg, Neil.T, reach 10ft from a static position. Nobody has tried to vamp up the main trials moves like doing a Sidehop with an X-up, or barspin, or bmx invert in midair. or throw a Neil.T style gapjump and tweak an X-up, barspin, tailwhip, or moto whip in midair(except the akrigg gapjump whip in Earthed4). or do a regular gapjump but cross-footed (right foot on left pedal, left foot on right pedal). this generation of trialsters just dont have that unique vision, or interest of doing such stuff. lets face it guys, how many unique original known riders are out there apart from Akrigg & leech? the UCI trialsters are just gonna go bigger, higher and more tech lines. Unique riding lines, and multiple combo moves are the only way forward for trials at the mo... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brian Bleech Posted February 10, 2007 Report Share Posted February 10, 2007 I think there are plenty of people with imagination (danny mac, akkers, ashton, rowan, boon, tim stedman to name but a few) out there, its mainly that trials is a young sport in terms of progression compared to bmx/skateboarding, but unfortunately there is also a lack of imagination in the sport! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
poopipe Posted February 10, 2007 Report Share Posted February 10, 2007 I think there are plenty of people with imagination (danny mac, akkers, ashton, rowan, boon, tim stedman to name but a few) out there, its mainly that trials is a young sport in terms of progression compared to bmx/skateboarding, but unfortunately there is also a lack of imagination in the sport!we shouldn't forget that trials bikes are also a complete pig to ride - mods and the LLS stocks aren't exactly the most nimble of machines. all the fancy whippy flippy bunsiness is happening on streety type stocks and 24s if you go by that list Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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