streetjibs Posted January 15, 2007 Report Share Posted January 15, 2007 hey guys just curious as to which bike people prefer out of these twoZona Zenith or Echo Control??Cheersdanny. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoNnY__Mc Posted January 15, 2007 Report Share Posted January 15, 2007 From my experience i prefer how my zenith rides to different controls i have ridden. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GTF Posted January 15, 2007 Report Share Posted January 15, 2007 (edited) Never ridden a Zenith t they look good. The Control feels really nice though One of the best frames I´ve ever ridden. If not THE best. You can do everything on it.But the Zenith is über cheap. 199 quid for frame with King headset A steal Edited January 15, 2007 by GTF Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
abtrials Posted January 15, 2007 Report Share Posted January 15, 2007 i have a zenith and i love it it rides so nice and it is well worth the money Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SomeoneNew Posted January 15, 2007 Report Share Posted January 15, 2007 Personally I'd go for the Zenith as I own one , but I have ridden a control or two and they're loverly!!In fairness either bike would do you a gooden, but for the bargain factor alone zenith for the win! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rich Pearson Posted January 15, 2007 Report Share Posted January 15, 2007 Really?! Everyone prefers the Zeniths?! Nick Vaughns one was/is absolutely gash (which even he has agreeed with on occasion) but then compared to Steve Sangers standard Control it was even worse. The Control just feels so much nicer as so much more thoughts gone into all the angle of geometry (headangle in realtion to BB rise, Wheelbase in relation to chainstays, etc).I'd go for a control everytime.Rich Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
craigjames Posted January 15, 2007 Report Share Posted January 15, 2007 gotta agree with rich on this one having ridden nicks a few times, ive seen steeper head angles on a chopper, it rides a peach on the rear wheel but until you get it there its.. well just plain nasty. sorry nick :$ go control all the way Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
streetjibs Posted January 15, 2007 Author Report Share Posted January 15, 2007 just curious.. is it nicks fork that makes the slack headangle?? wat fork is he runnin?errmm.. no clear winner Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GTF Posted January 15, 2007 Report Share Posted January 15, 2007 errmm.. no clear winnerI would have gone for the Control, but you get a super deal on the Zenith :$ Hard choice..Or you can stick on 24" www.bike4.eu got the ciguena 24". take a look. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RobinJI Posted January 15, 2007 Report Share Posted January 15, 2007 just curious.. is it nicks fork that makes the slack headangle?? wat fork is he runnin?He was running Echo Urbans, and is now running ZOO! Pitbulls, either way 405mm, so nothing long. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ash-Kennard Posted January 15, 2007 Report Share Posted January 15, 2007 control.i was tempted to buy a zenith, but then i realised i liked how my bike rode Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
craigjames Posted January 15, 2007 Report Share Posted January 15, 2007 just curious.. is it nicks fork that makes the slack headangle?? wat fork is he runnin?errmm.. no clear winneryeah as said he's got some zoo's on there atm, dunno when i gave it a spin it just seem very sluggish and slack, so much so it fealt like the headset was over tightened. mind you i am used toa pashley ghz with pashley forks so it probably is slack compared to that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rich Pearson Posted January 15, 2007 Report Share Posted January 15, 2007 yeah as said he's got some zoo's on there atm, dunno when i gave it a spin it just seem very sluggish and slack, so much so it fealt like the headset was over tightened. mind you i am used toa pashley ghz with pashley forks so it probably is slack compared to that.Might have to agree with Craigs point there, I'm used to a Leeson pig-iron-steed not any of this new fancy malarky so I might be subconsiously biased.Rich Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prawny Baby Posted January 15, 2007 Report Share Posted January 15, 2007 common rich, i never genuinely said it was gash!i was having a truely awful day, and looking back at old vids on longer bikes, i was just questioning if i would be better suited to a longer frame?you forgot to point out that VERY soon after these silly moments i decided to sodd it, and that i loved the zenith because it rides so incredibly nicely.you boys saying the head angle is slack, ride old school mout dated steel short wheelbase mongs.ill admit when i first swapped to it from an ashton it felt a little slack, but after 15mins riding all was fine, and its certainly no more slack than a control, or any other House of Deng frame.personally, i think the zenith rides gorgeously, and ill admit i still cant tap it very well, but then again, ive decided thats down to the fact that i simply cant tap for shit anyway.....the higher BB makes the bike feel LOVELY for going to front wheel, and absolutely awesome on the back wheel.overall, i love the zenith, its a very nice frames to ride.id take one over a control still, as although theyre nice frames, theyre just not inspiring to ride AT ALL, they just feel nice, but dull. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
craigjames Posted January 16, 2007 Report Share Posted January 16, 2007 common rich, i never genuinely said it was gash!i was having a truely awful day, and looking back at old vids on longer bikes, i was just questioning if i would be better suited to a longer frame?you forgot to point out that VERY soon after these silly moments i decided to sodd it, and that i loved the zenith because it rides so incredibly nicely.you boys saying the head angle is slack, ride old school mout dated steel short wheelbase mongs.ill admit when i first swapped to it from an ashton it felt a little slack, but after 15mins riding all was fine, and its certainly no more slack than a control, or any other House of Deng frame.personally, i think the zenith rides gorgeously, and ill admit i still cant tap it very well, but then again, ive decided thats down to the fact that i simply cant tap for shit anyway.....the higher BB makes the bike feel LOVELY for going to front wheel, and absolutely awesome on the back wheel.overall, i love the zenith, its a very nice frames to ride.id take one over a control still, as although theyre nice frames, theyre just not inspiring to ride AT ALL, they just feel nice, but dull.that hurt nick, it cut real deep. now take that abck you over grown hairy crustacean or i'll set rich on you and then you'll be sorry! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RobinJI Posted January 16, 2007 Report Share Posted January 16, 2007 Nick, like 2 weeks ago you were saying about how my frame would be just as nice with the head angle a little steeper than the current 73deg! and how you used to ride a 74deg Zebadi and loved the head angle!Anyway, saying a GHZ or a leeson is outdated is like saying a mini is out dated! blasphemy! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
craigjames Posted January 16, 2007 Report Share Posted January 16, 2007 Nick, like 2 weeks ago you were saying about how my frame would be just as nice with the head angle a little steeper than the current 73deg! and how you used to ride a 74deg Zebadi and loved the head angle!Anyway, saying a GHZ or a leeson is outdated is like saying a mini is out dated! blasphemy!ah its always nice to rely on other 'steel is real' bike riders cheers dude. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rich Pearson Posted January 16, 2007 Report Share Posted January 16, 2007 ROFL, the Somerset-Steel crew ganging up to take yo' ass down Prawn! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
craigjames Posted January 16, 2007 Report Share Posted January 16, 2007 mwahahahahaha he doesnt know whats comin to him! think he should give up whilst he can. bless lil nicholascould also look at a pure, rowan seems to get on with his quite nicely. just an alternative to the ever growing zenith crew. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bigman Posted January 16, 2007 Report Share Posted January 16, 2007 I have to say i would probably go for a control, becuase i just don't seem to like the feel of the zeniths, also everyone recons a zenith looks uber short on me But i would go for my Simtra over both of them i just luuurrrve it to bits Adam Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prawny Baby Posted January 16, 2007 Report Share Posted January 16, 2007 i know i like steep head angles guys i wont deny it, im just saying, you guys dont like the feel of it because you ride short short bikes with super steep head angles. your obviously not going to get on with a UCI kinda bike!steep head angles rock, and im not a fan of the slack movement really, but i think the zenith is at the more acceptable end of the scale! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex.loves.boys Posted January 16, 2007 Report Share Posted January 16, 2007 I love prawn's zenith.But i love my control that little bit more Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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