Boswell Posted January 12, 2007 Report Share Posted January 12, 2007 (edited) I was just wondering if anyone thinks that echo's new rim break will over take magura's highly popular hs33. i personaly think that the echo looks a lot better Edited January 12, 2007 by mr ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deonn h Posted January 12, 2007 Report Share Posted January 12, 2007 The echo`s arnt even out yet so how the hell do we know if there gonna be better.They look stronger is all i can say. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
clarkytrials Posted January 12, 2007 Report Share Posted January 12, 2007 The echo`s arnt even out yet so how the hell do we know if there gonna be better.They look stronger is all i can say. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoNnY__Mc Posted January 12, 2007 Report Share Posted January 12, 2007 originallity - maguracopying an old product and potentially making it better - deng Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
edd91 Posted January 12, 2007 Report Share Posted January 12, 2007 well I don't know nothing apart from the fact that those brake levers and that area look a lot sexier than the magura ones, now we just have to wait and see what the price tag is. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
charlie >est< Posted January 12, 2007 Report Share Posted January 12, 2007 No, the magura's will win by far. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lambton Posted January 12, 2007 Report Share Posted January 12, 2007 I think the echo brake levers will be a lot stiffer than the magura ones. I would have thort that the echo version might have had different size pistons or sumthin to make them more powerful but I haven't read anything saying that they have. The levers look pretty smart though! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
F_K Posted January 12, 2007 Report Share Posted January 12, 2007 My opinion is that Magura is not enough serios about making brakes for trials. The original magura pads are absolutely crap. The levers are not enough "trials specific". If deng's brake will be available, then it will be really popular. A good brake, good lever, good pads, good pistons (small enough to have room for the cranks).So my opinion: it's just a matter of time. Deng will win... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andyb Posted January 12, 2007 Report Share Posted January 12, 2007 I reckon that the maguras will win, i can see the deng ones being fragile to be honest.Will decide when all the top riders have tried them and if they last then i will be surprised, can also see them being more money too.Andy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greetings Posted January 12, 2007 Report Share Posted January 12, 2007 I see nothing wrong with the Maguras, well at least the old ones. The new ones are pretty shit and that's where Magura might loose customers. Another thing is that Echo brakes might become the choice of riders who need more crank/brake clearance. I would certainly get them for that reason. As for power aspects, I don't think people would choose Echo's if they turned out to be more powerful than Maguras - who needs more power? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rocks370 Posted January 12, 2007 Report Share Posted January 12, 2007 I'm suprised it took so long for another company to design a similar brake seeing as they are very popular. Espically within the trials community.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Muel Posted January 12, 2007 Report Share Posted January 12, 2007 I doubt that the new echo brake is going to be worse than the maggie in any way, they have been developing it since 2005, if it wasn't going to be much better, they would have scrapped it long ago. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Krisboats Posted January 12, 2007 Report Share Posted January 12, 2007 I see nothing wrong with the Maguras, well at least the old ones. The new ones are pretty shit and that's where Magura might loose customers. Another thing is that Echo brakes might become the choice of riders who need more crank/brake clearance. I would certainly get them for that reason. As for power aspects, I don't think people would choose Echo's if they turned out to be more powerful than Maguras - who needs more power?Everyone would want a more powerful brake. If you could bypass having to choose the right pads and the right grind and the right rim material, combined with a decent booster, just by getting a new lever.... I think people would choose the lever everytime. If you could run it with a half worn grind and poorly set up kool stop pads with the same amount of power as a decent fresh grind and a set of plazzies set up perfectly in the dry then i'm sure to most people it would be an obvious choice.I don't actually like the shape of the damn things though. And they use the crappy new design instead of the older 2004 design. Ah well.... RB lever beats them both Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greetings Posted January 12, 2007 Report Share Posted January 12, 2007 ...Well, that's one way of looking at it. Rode a Maggie with a disc brake lever in the past and trust me, I'd rather ride a weak brake than one where the pads have to be under 1mm from the rim and that is so spongy you don't even know when the brake locks up. You've got fork/frame flex to overcome and then there's the risk seals and pipe fittings will blow. Reducing the piston diameter by 1mm from 14 to 13mm gives a 15% increase in power, now that's putting a load of strain on the hydraulics. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gavyn. Posted January 12, 2007 Report Share Posted January 12, 2007 (edited) I personally think the echo brake will turn out to be better because it's designed for trials.so it should do the one job it's designed for better than a magura which is designed for many uses and does them all reasonably well. but not all things turn out like that and only time will tell really. I also think deng's brake will be much more expensive and magura will have said deng must use there seals and pistonsand he is not allowed to sell the brake for less than magura do. and also if deng drops the size of the piston by less than one mm then he will get little more power but not enough to wreck the brake and his sales of boosters will go up. Edited January 12, 2007 by Gavyn L Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Krisboats Posted January 12, 2007 Report Share Posted January 12, 2007 Well, that's one way of looking at it. Rode a Maggie with a disc brake lever in the past and trust me, I'd rather ride a weak brake than one where the pads have to be under 1mm from the rim and that is so spongy you don't even know when the brake locks up. You've got fork/frame flex to overcome and then there's the risk seals and pipe fittings will blow. Reducing the piston diameter by 1mm from 14 to 13mm gives a 15% increase in power, now that's putting a load of strain on the hydraulics.But if you had a solid 4 bolt booster, the flex wouldn't be much of a problem at all. And if the diameter was reduced by 0.5mm, then it wouldn't be quite as bad, while at the same time offereing a better brake.Although i think someone mentioned him having bought the seals from magura in the other thread about the brake so i guess it'll be the same size as the magura ones. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HSbt Posted January 13, 2007 Report Share Posted January 13, 2007 I might think that the Maguras will be on top, beacouse I don't think KOXX, Onza, Monty, etc....... will use the Echo brake, it says it self..Hope not anyone else postet this? The brake might be better ..... But then maybe Monty, Koxx etc... Would make their own brakes? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tom 20 Posted January 13, 2007 Report Share Posted January 13, 2007 I reckon that the maguras will win, i can see the deng ones being fragile to be honest.Will decide when all the top riders have tried them and if they last then i will be surprised, can also see them being more money too.Andy how will cnc be fragile, them maguras are cast and snap easy, the deng ones will bend a little rather then snap ( depending on circumstances) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GTF Posted January 13, 2007 Report Share Posted January 13, 2007 Vee's are THE brake to have Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clarky Posted January 13, 2007 Report Share Posted January 13, 2007 Not too bothered, they look bob on like but there gonner cost a lot i think, i have enough power anyway so... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gianttrials Posted January 13, 2007 Report Share Posted January 13, 2007 This makes me laugh because my mate bought a '06 magura hs33 and it was crap, but the packaging said FOR TRIALS USE ONLY!!! My green hs33s seem to work well though, and i'd not really want to spend more than the price of them for brakes, the maguras have a long history in trials. The maguras will win.Ben g WST Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
will_zooboy! Posted January 13, 2007 Report Share Posted January 13, 2007 well you have to think, the echo brake is coming with, the cnc'd clamps, cnc'd lever, brake pads, I'd say roughly that brake will cost around 80 pounds, not unless anyone knows an estimated Price by Deng???Cheers, will Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fish-Finger-er Posted January 13, 2007 Report Share Posted January 13, 2007 one other issue is i can see it being a big market for people upgrading there whole set up, or just starting out in trials. if i was going to buy a rear maggie set up today.for a new frame. id go and get(if i was a a style concerned rider)1 rear magura £65.001 set of cnc 4 bolt mounts £25.00 (and thent throw the evo set up that came with my brake away as its now redundant) 1 set of echo pads £18.00this little lot comes to £108.00 for a single brake, which is nearing twice the price of the maggie itself. so can see how even with more expensive set up, deng can become popular, as some of the parts you pay for in the maggie set up(evo mounts, pads etc) wont be used.note: this doesnt include what many people would do, and go and buy a deng lever at an additional £25, which makes the cost of denging the brake, and getting to the spec most people want for trials, in excess of the cost of the origingal new brake. so deng could charge £265 for front and rear brake set ups, and it would still be cheaper than the dengura brakes most people want to run now.havent brought boosters into this, cos both set ups will want a booster buying additionally. but the deng set looks to include pads, mounts and a deng lever. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trialsr lee Posted January 13, 2007 Report Share Posted January 13, 2007 Hi,Personaly i feel that for a bit the maguras will be out on top but then people will start to hear good or bad reviews about the echo brakes and due to wether the revies are good or bad will depend on wich one will come on on top. trials-r-lee Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mat hudson Posted January 13, 2007 Report Share Posted January 13, 2007 (edited) read the replies to this thread.... are the replies a little "tardy" or is it just me?infact the thread is complete bollox anyway. all i can say is the deng ones are prettier but v brakes are better. Edited January 13, 2007 by mat hudson Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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