My Validation Idea..

[Greetings]

it is also very judgemental on peoples grammer and spelling.. which i feel is most unfair as not everyone is on a degree course at uni for English Spelling.. -take my friend trav, he isn't very good at all at spelling or grammar he is a labourer for a job,so therefore he doesn't need it! ..

Sorry, that's just retarded. If you have no idea how to spell, in my opinion your just an idiot. The language is a basic way of communicating and now that we have mass media which internet can be classed as, spelling is all the more important as this type of communication is based upon writing and not speaking. Sorry bud, but that's the silliest explanation I've heard in my life.

it also solves the problem of people constantly winging about becoming a full member, eliminates the stress of the mods having to assess every single new member to the forum.

So, either the administrator would have to set up a system which you would pay with (sounds complicated and time consuming), and when paid it would automatically upgrade, or he'd have to receive the money through paypal and manually upgrade each member. Can't see that being any easier. Also, about 5-7% of the forum are non-uk people. They can only pay by credit card and what if they don't have one?

90% of people that use the net understand what it means nowadays, i don't see why its such a problem to use it! -after all.. this is a socializing forum for people that enjoy trials riding.. not a university project!

You might not, but for someone who's never used it and never will, text talk and "msn talk" is just a sign of laziness. Is it really hard to type 2 or 3 more letters and make the word understandable for everybody? When I browse the forum and see somebody writing "y are hydrolic breaks bettr" I automatically assume he's an idiot. If this forum is going to learn even a small bunch of people not to use text talk, it's been really beneficial for their future life.

[Ben@LeicesterTrials]

This Forum hardley even works, It's either going mega slow Like takes 5 minutes to load a page or it's either of for something or another, I wouldn't be Paying money for that. Either way I wouldn't pay anyway ...

[RyanRs]

When I browse the forum and see somebody writing "y are hydrolic breaks bettr" I automatically assume he's an idiot. If this forum is going to learn even a small bunch of people not to use text talk, it's been really beneficial for their future life.

See! this is the kind of stupidity i am on about! you see i am now assuming your an idiot because of the following reasons.. 1. you are judging someone you have never met. 2.you are automatically calling them an idiot, even though they may well be a special needs student or similar and 3. Because you took the time to notice it and point it out! (or even just to notice it in the 1st place -if you did not point it out.) -which gives me the impression that you think your 'Above' or 'Better' than anyone that cannot spell /read / Communicate properly! -similar to a lot of post rich people!

whereas i will not judge a book by its cover. and if i read a post like that, i wouldn't even bother to think that its written badly.. i would (if i have time) just reply with as much usefull information as i can. and leave it at that.

-1 last thing... how is explaining that my friend doesn't require to know good spelling for his job a bad example?? go out there to some building sites, and ask the self employed brikkies, carpenters, fencers etc how many GCSE's they got? i think you will find that the majority didnt even finish school! -and believe it or not, they earn quite a fair wage too! -and to sum that up, my friend can read and write, but not as good as an average person can.. but he is earning a very good wage, he is happy... so he does not require the ability to be better at reading.. given the choice, he would probably like to be able to, but.. this is the real world we live in.. nothing comes for free, and nothing is cheap any more. -i think that saying my comment is retarded and saying that people that cant spell are idiots , is extremely discriminative. thank god you never had learning difficulties, or illness that delayed your learning..

Btw - i used the spell check to correct about 25 words in this post. and im not stupid, im self employed and live comfortably!

Edited January 7, 2007 by RyanRs

[munkee]

See! this is the kind of stupidness i am on about! you see i am now assuming your an idiot because of the following reasons.. 1. you are judging someone you have never met. 2.you are automatically calling them an idiot, even though they may well be a special needs student or simila and 3. Because you took the time to notice it and point it out! (or even just to notice it in the 1st place -if you did not point it out.) -which gives me the impression that you think your 'Above' or 'Better' than anyone that cannot spell /read / Comminicate properly! -simila to a lot of post rich people!

whereas i will not judge a book by its cover. and if i read a post like that, i wouldn't even bother to think that its written badly.. i would (if i have time) just reply with as much usefull information as i can. and leave it at that.

I read up to 1. and i know you are an idiot. If someone doesn't have the ability to type a f**king a whole word they dont deserve to be on a forum where communication is based on text.

Edited January 7, 2007 by Spacemunkee

[Greetings]

See! this is the kind of stupidness i am on about! you see i am now assuming your an idiot because of the following reasons.. 1. you are judging someone you have never met. 2.you are automatically calling them an idiot, even though they may well be a special needs student or simila and 3. Because you took the time to notice it and point it out! (or even just to notice it in the 1st place -if you did not point it out.) -which gives me the impression that you think your 'Above' or 'Better' than anyone that cannot spell /read / Comminicate properly! -simila to a lot of post rich people

This is an internet forum and you have to expect people to treat and judge you by the way you express yourself - as it is done in real life.

Besides, you're also judging me although you have never met me. Conclusions?

edit: I never wrote (or didn't intend to write) that you're retarded. That was in reference to the attitude that you can neglect spelling if it's not important at work. A language is the most basic element of each culture, you can't neglect it. And, I can't see there being any strong connection between good education and the ability to spell correctly - hence (according to you) me judging peoples education by their spelling sounds a bit wrong. English is a very easy language to spell, you try Polish one day Your friend might be well off - fine. He might work on a building sight - great, in my opinion laborers are as (if not more) important in our society as ie. a manager or politician. But really, that's not the point is it.

Edited January 7, 2007 by Inur

[CurtisRider]

cant be arsed to read through the moaning, girls are bad enough...

what about a post limit? that'll slow the useless crap from filtering in, and make people post more relevant stuff in better detail possibly? might be worth a try if everybody is that bothered?

alternatively, just dont read the crap, its getting pretty easy nowadays to find stuff worth reading or not, generally you remember who the useless members of this forum are, and dont acknowledge thier existance, and read stuff written by the members who consistantly give decent advice

[RyanRs]

This is an internet forum and you have to expect people to treat and judge you by the way you express yourself - as it is done in real life.

Besides, you're also judging me although you have never met me. Conclusions?

if you read it properly.. i judge you as an idiot.. because of your discriminative view on people lesser educated than yourself. had you not wrote about that, then i would have prob seen your post as a well constructed debate.

[Barbara Logan-Price]

i don't know if this has been posted before but i think 1 solution would be , we have a report button thing so why not have one to report good posts and who we think is not a complete bellend or chav ?

[Fixed Pants™]

Rep system variation like on VB forums...

[yoyoyo]

Paying a small fee every year will go against one of the main points of the validation system.

Lets say someone pays £5 to sign up. He now has access to the for sale part. Now lets say he scams someone for £150. He has now just made himself £145 profit pretty easily.

It's not hard to get validated, i know someone who did it in 8 posts. I think the problem most people have is they expect too much. Is it that hard to read through your posts and change any text talk words into English. or is that the standards we live in. Where we would rather save a few seconds for ourselves than take a little longer and make things easier for others.

They just need to think things through.

[F-Stop Junkie]

See! this is the kind of stupidity i am on about! you see i am now assuming your an idiot because of the following reasons.. 1. you are judging someone you have never met. 2.you are automatically calling them an idiot, even though they may well be a special needs student or similar and 3. Because you took the time to notice it and point it out! (or even just to notice it in the 1st place -if you did not point it out.) -which gives me the impression that you think your 'Above' or 'Better' than anyone that cannot spell /read / Communicate properly! -similar to a lot of post rich people!

whereas i will not judge a book by its cover. and if i read a post like that, i wouldn't even bother to think that its written badly.. i would (if i have time) just reply with as much usefull information as i can. and leave it at that.

-1 last thing... how is explaining that my friend doesn't require to know good spelling for his job a bad example?? go out there to some building sites, and ask the self employed brikkies, carpenters, fencers etc how many GCSE's they got? i think you will find that the majority didnt even finish school! -and believe it or not, they earn quite a fair wage too! -and to sum that up, my friend can read and write, but not as good as an average person can.. but he is earning a very good wage, he is happy... so he does not require the ability to be better at reading.. given the choice, he would probably like to be able to, but.. this is the real world we live in.. nothing comes for free, and nothing is cheap any more. -i think that saying my comment is retarded and saying that people that cant spell are idiots , is extremely discriminative. thank god you never had learning difficulties, or illness that delayed your learning..

Btw - i used the spell check to correct about 25 words in this post. and im not stupid, im self employed and live comfortably!

I've never met a lot of people on TF, but I have certain impressions of them based on what they've said. Some turn out to be different to how they are in real life, but if someone presents themselves a certain way, that's all I have to go on. If someone walks upto me and punches me in the face without provokation, I'm going to assume they're an idiot even if they turn out to be a lovely, nobel prize winning physicist.

Ultimately it's a combination of tolerance balanced against expectations. Any society has expectations of behaviour, most people meet those expectations, and those who don't end up in court. Of course there is more lattitude in rules of ettiquette, and what one person deems acceptable or normal would be unacceptable to another. That's life. I'm sure no mod here goes through wondering if a sentence is too long, or that brackets have been incorrectly used. What's bad is when a post is almost unreadable because barely a single word is spelt or used correctly.

If you were having a conversation with someone with no special needs or physical impedements, and you could barely understand them because they found it easier to speak in grunts and point instead of putting the effort into learning to speak properly, wouldn't it annoy you?

Yes, people should be aware of those who have impairments which cause them to have problems to spell properly, but in my experience, people with those problems are more concious of it and hence put more effort into whatever they struggle with. Of the people on here I *know* suffer with dyslexia, their posts are amongst some of the best spelt of all.

TF doesn't have a velvet rope which is only parted on presentation of exam results and references from teachers. What is does have is a level of expectation based on experience which helps lift the forum experience as a whole for every user.

[t33zr]

But anyway.... WHY do people NEED to be a fully member?? Im shure they can get answers on theyre questions in the NMC.... either way... use the Search function! There may be a post that answer his question.

And its not nesseseary to post "ACE vid browwahh!" when you download a movie...

Just my opinion..

And btw. my english/spelling/grammar sux... and i got validated... youre friend must be retarded...

Edited January 7, 2007 by t33zr

[RyanRs]

But anyway.... WHY do people NEED to be a fully member?? Im shure they can get answers on theyre questions in the NMC.... either way... use the Search function! There may be a post that answer his question.

And its not nesseseary to post "ACE vid browwahh!" when you download a movie...

Just my opinion..

And btw. my english/spelling/grammar sux... and i got validated... youre friend must be retarded...

no, he does not use the forum any more as he has been scared off basically.. he feels that every time he trys to share his riding experiences or contribute to a post, he gets knocked down for his spelling. i must admit he is bad at it.. i take the piss out of him all the time for it, but he knows im joking about.. on the other hand though, its a shame he has to feel that way about the forum (altho i can see his point) .. as he is an extreamly good rider, defiantly quickly catching up with the likes of CLS, Damon watson etc .. and he would have been good at giving advice and posting good videos, he is very passionate about his riding and just wanted to show people what he can do.. but now he hates coming on here and just doenst bother.

[Krisboats]

no, he does not use the forum any more as he has been scared off basically.. he feels that every time he trys to share his riding experiences or contribute to a post, he gets knocked down for his spelling. i must admit he is bad at it.. i take the piss out of him all the time for it, but he knows im joking about.. on the other hand though, its a shame he has to feel that way about the forum (altho i can see his point) .. as he is an extreamly good rider, defiantly quickly catching up with the likes of CLS, Damon watson etc .. and he would have been good at giving advice and posting good videos, he is very passionate about his riding and just wanted to show people what he can do.. but now he hates coming on here and just doenst bother.

Then he should use the F#*£@^! spell check button.... jesus christ, hardly rocket science.

You make up this thread twice (spamming by the way ) and you come on here with your bordering condescending views and pre-defined judgements of other members based on what they're saying, pretty hipocritical if you ask me.

If someone makes a topic with a complete disregard for making it comprehensive then they can pretty much assume people are going to give the same level of disregard to answering the question.

There's an old saying... Ask a stupid question, get a stupid answer.

EDIT: Just realised the spell check buttons gone, anyone shed any light on where it is?

[RyanRs]

tell you what.. i give up trying to be civil on this forum.. as for Krisboats etc.. divvy f**king northan twats.. think they know everything. (excluding adam@tart cos he is a top bloke)

iv had it with this forum.. try to express a little interest in it , to help make it work better for everyone, and once again iv been run into the ground, think im gona take trav's advice and not bother with it any more.

no wonder people like CLS , Neil, Ashton, Ot Pi, Ryan leech (list goes on) and all the other 'Mature' riders dont use this forum.. cos its fulla bitchin lil children.

have fun with your pants little forum.. think ill stick to ones where people understand and accept differences in other peoples views and that not everyone is as educated / capable as the next.

edit -oh, btw (by the way) just in case you didn't understand what i ment by 'cos its fulla bitchin lil children' i will translate ' Because its full of bitching little children' -just so it doesnt confuse any of you 'perfect' spelling grammar literate experts.

Edited January 8, 2007 by RyanRs

[F-Stop Junkie]

divvy f**king northan twats.. think they know everything. (excluding adam@tart cos he is a top bloke)

no wonder people like CLS , Neil, Ashton, Ot Pi, Ryan leech (list goes on) and all the other 'Mature' riders dont use this forum.. cos its fulla bitchin lil children.

Well being an adopted northener, I find that offensive as I don't claim to know it all, and hope my posts add something to the forum. I'm sure people like Ali C feel the same...

Martyn Ashton does use the site, I think Neil Tunnicliffe at least lurks, as does CLS. Ot Pi and Ryan Leech have never used a UK forum, as a lot of International top riders don't.

Ryan, you're just off on a rant now, and not adding anything to this thread. Please don't go spouting generalisations just for the sake of posting.

[Simon]

lolz.

You make me laugh.

You call us children, yet when something doesn't go your way, you throw your toys out the pram 100x worse then any of the posts in this here thread.

The idea of paying for content on a forum for bicycles is completly obsurd, and i have no idea how you even began to think it was viable.

The validation system works 99% of the time, and the only 1% is when people get validated and change the way they post because they feel they don't need to make an effort anymore.

Banners and other forms of advertising are the only way for this type of forum to survive. As i said, any other niche forum where there is tangible forms of user gains, and where isn't one forum for one sport for the whole country, as it makes giving any kind of rewards to its users pointless.

Also, CLS, Neil, and Ashton all use this forum. Ot Pi probably doesn't use any forum, if he does, it'll be the monty one, same for Ryan Leech but only use his own one on his site.

Please think before you type, or atleast do some basic research into your idea. If you would of have proper ideas for subscription, like benifits, how the forum can be sustained on it, and how the profits are used, then sure, maybe the idea would of been discussed better, but like this, no.

[kieldp]

Validation is a good way to keep the forum's content to a high quality.

If you just spend time on your posts, make them worthwhile and write them well, it takes no time at all.

It took me 3 days and about 20 posts to get validated... (I thought it was going to take like 3 weeks...)

[ben_travis]

tell you what.. i give up trying to be civil on this forum.. as for Krisboats etc.. divvy f**king northan twats.. think they know everything. (excluding adam@tart cos he is a top bloke)

no wonder people like CLS , Neil, Ashton, Ot Pi, Ryan leech (list goes on) and all the other 'Mature' riders dont use this forum.. cos its fulla bitchin lil children.

seriously, shut the f**k up.

fair enough your sticking up for your mate, but he cant spell? How hard can it be to check the spelling? Its the same button as can be found in microsoft word on the top right of the reply screen.

Your just a bummer like the rest of them me thinks. Why to you have to put two dots in between your sentances? Did you do that in ur exams?

Your making a mockery of yourself, i dont claim to have the best spelling in the world, and especially not after writing my dissertation i have a severe case of punctuation hatred at the moment. Its not hard to learn to spell or to press the button. Just get it done. seriously

then come back when you stop mocking the forum, whats the point, not everyone will have the same views. Many will contradict yours, but you seem to take it to heart so much. CALM THE BEANS

[Davey]

Blimey, I almost never come into Trials Chat but the one day I venture into it and you'd think I was back in Chit Chat!

When people think they have a really good idea (which from his enthusiasm I would guess RyanRs did) they don't like being told it's not a good idea. Fact is it wasn't a good idea, not because anyone is stupid but simply because there are way more factors involved than people realise. But this is how arguments escalate, possible would have been wise for a mod to step in but they're here to moderate not mother us. There is never any need to call each names or make sweeping statements about the northern half of our fair country, that kind of behaviour is never going to win favour is it? Frankly resorting to that kind of abusive language demonstrates a severe lack of intelligence, the ability to debate in a mature and articulate way is something severely lacking on this forum!

There is nothing wrong with the way this forum is run at all, without kissing too much arse it's miles better than any other forum I've seen, I think validation works just fine, you will NEVER come up with a 100% accurate validation system, it's not possible. The only problem with this forum is the attitudes of some people on it, so if you don't like this forum then just leave, you'll be happier and so will we!

Davey

[matt rushton]

Or maybe you send a email to the mods. Saying why you should be made a full member.

That way its free and everyone gets a equal chance.

Matt Rushton

[Orgun_Donor]

Or maybe you send a email to the mods. Saying why you should be made a full member.

That way its free and everyone gets a equal chance.

Matt Rushton

And the mods get flooded with spam, and annoyed the hell out of!

To be honest, the current validation system is absolutley fine, may take some people longer then others, but is a generally good filter from the good and bad

[Gavyn.]

I quite like the idea of being able to report good posts made by new members aswell as the bad ones but i know it would just be abused by people trying to get there friends validated. So i propose that members who have been a member (not a new member) for more than a year, should be allowed to report posts that they think are seriously worth validation, but first they should read the last ten posts made by the new member, and they should think of 3 valid reasons why the person should be validated and what you think they will contribute to the forum.

Just an idea which i think is a little more sensible than the original one

Gavyn

or members could be given a sub forum which cannot be seen by new members in which they could post something like what i said above, then when mods feel like validating someone they can have a look at the nominations and pick the ones they think best deserve it.

or alternitivly if it ain't broke don't fix it!

Edited January 8, 2007 by Gavyn L

[Krisboats]

tell you what.. i give up trying to be civil on this forum.. as for Krisboats etc.. divvy f**king northan twats.. think they know everything. (excluding adam@tart cos he is a top bloke)

Ha ha, northern? try east midlands mate... nearly smack bang in the middle of england. And you said i know it all And as for me knowing it all, ha ha... **** that for a laugh. In the grand scheme of things i know absolutely nothing, and i freely admit that... however, i would be fairly willing to bet i know more than you

Completely agree with simon on pretty much everything. You say we don't have broad enough views when you clearly aren't willing to accept your "idea" isn't practical, responsible or something that can be properly implemented without more problems than the way it currently is. You've had these points highlighted to you and now you don't like it. And try not to get so worked up.... its only an internet forum

Whether you stay or go is your own choice, someday you'll see how immature you seemed throughout this whole thing though. And if you change your mind about leaving here... your more than welcome to come back .

[RyanRs]

1 i never started the swaring..

2 i apologise for cussing northaners.. altho Krisboats, your far far more northan than me.

3 i can accept when i am wrong , or if my idea has flaws, what i cant hack though, is people saying im stupid because an idea of mine wont work. you have made points that the validation system works good enough, and therefore ok.. after all, i was only trying to give ideas that would possibly help make this place better for everyone.

4 i dont get emotional about what goes on here, or what people say.. to be honest, like i said before , i am usually only on here if i want to buy something, or watch some vids. and also in the subtitle of this thread i did state 'well i dont realy care bout it all,but i reckon this is the answer...' meaning, im not on here enough to be botherd, and im already validated so y should i worry? but everytime i do come on here , i see lots of people posting complaining about validation. so i fort i would try come up with a solution.

Krisboats - why try to compare your knowledge to mine? you dont know my qualifications.. wether that be college / uni / work / driving? you dont no my job and you dont know income from what ever my job might be! altho, looking at your profile, if you really are 19, then there is no way you can be as qualified, as you simpally are not old enough. -But i dont mean any of this to brag or dig,.. its purely in defence..

i will leave this forum again.. until i fancy buying another part / bike.. then i will come back too see whats for sale, and i will browse the forum, to see no change -same bitching, same 'y aint i being validated?' same 'which pads are best' followed by 'use the search' .. mite post another idea then... cos all this bitching is entertainment to me.... 'humm how Easily is it to un intentionally start an arguement on TF' ??

i never quite get the same entertainment off other forums that i do on this one.. but i do get a lot more usefull, constructive information from them!

apologies for the spelling. couldnt be arsed 2 use my personal spell checker this time round. takes too long

Edited January 8, 2007 by RyanRs