Joe_Elding Posted December 30, 2006 Report Share Posted December 30, 2006 whats the reasoning behind that? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fish-Finger-er Posted December 30, 2006 Report Share Posted December 30, 2006 whats the reasoning behind that?being counter culture is cool, lets go backwards, itll make us look cool i think is the idea, like wearing old skool shoes, riding steel frames, snes etc. dengs progression, and therefore isnt cool, or something like that my whole status on whether you should have deng on your bike, its ur bike, fit it with what parts you want.as for this whole idea of new rim brakes, can anyone say anything about the internals of them?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
matt rushton Posted December 30, 2006 Report Share Posted December 30, 2006 i reckon everyone on here has had a bit of deng on them at some point. i like his parts and i think he has made a massive change to trials.JKIv'e only had one deng part in my whole trials life (3 years) and thats my zoo! bars.Matt Rushton Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
downhill_rob2@hotmail.com Posted December 30, 2006 Report Share Posted December 30, 2006 Iv got a few deng parts on my bike..Frame, forksbarsrear rimbottom braketheadsetI wouldnt mind trying one of these brakes, just to see how they perform compaired to maggys... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kieldp Posted December 30, 2006 Report Share Posted December 30, 2006 It will be interesting to see how they perform. They will be cheap though... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Danny Swindlehurst Posted December 30, 2006 Report Share Posted December 30, 2006 There smart! if they come out ! im having one :)danny... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
poopipe Posted December 31, 2006 Report Share Posted December 31, 2006 sod it, ill say it againno hinged clamps!!!why no hinged clamps ?and deng rocks - Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt_Tupman Posted December 31, 2006 Report Share Posted December 31, 2006 sod it, ill say it againno hinged clamps!!!why no hinged clamps ?and deng rocks -Is ther any need for a quick release brake? might make setup slightly easyer not to sure to be honest never been that much of a magura user.You could make it work though without altering the mounting positions and it might look a bit tidyer. I used to have quick release bars on my old GasGas the bar clmaps were hinged which looked rather swish. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barbra Posted December 31, 2006 Report Share Posted December 31, 2006 for people that said, they're the same as magura's. I bet its rarther difficult to change the design a shit load isn't it really? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nickyw Posted December 31, 2006 Report Share Posted December 31, 2006 sod it, ill say it againno hinged clamps!!!why no hinged clamps ?and deng rocks -Poopipe know's were it's at.But I do think deng or zhi or whatever is taking a huge risk againest magura.Just think,If magura completely sue's deng for coping desgin and the cylinder's.....They wont be no Echo,Zoo!,Czar,Adamant and Gu.Meh I could be totallly wrong but was just saying...What would happen to the trial's world if it did happen? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt_Tupman Posted December 31, 2006 Report Share Posted December 31, 2006 But I do think deng or zhi or whatever is taking a huge risk againest magura.Just think,If magura completely sue's deng for coping desgin and the cylinder's.....They wont be no Echo,Zoo!,Czar,Adamant and Gu.Meh I could be totallly wrong but was just saying...What would happen to the trial's world if it did happen?It would never get that far, If it's not legal then Magura will have taken action already only if Zhi/Echo sell these brakes illegally can Magura then sue which I very much doubt Zhi/Echo will do.The reason Zhi might be so pissed these have been leaked is beacuse he dosn't have permision to sell yet Still this is all very intresting though, not that i'm a maggy user but it's very good to see some big developments.Why am I still awake?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kieldp Posted December 31, 2006 Report Share Posted December 31, 2006 I wonder if Echo will make a different version for each brand with like different lever body designs etc? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ben_travis Posted December 31, 2006 Author Report Share Posted December 31, 2006 I wonder if Echo will make a different version for each brand with like different lever body designs etc?more than likely sir......... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
craigjames Posted December 31, 2006 Report Share Posted December 31, 2006 sod it, ill say it againno hinged clamps!!!why no hinged clamps ?and deng rocks -or at least split clamps. its so much easier changing things around on the bars when clamps are split/hinged, someone go shout this at deng! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt_Tupman Posted December 31, 2006 Report Share Posted December 31, 2006 So who's going to get their new brake out first then Echo or Zhi the race is on!or at least split clamps. its so much easier changing things around on the bars when clamps are split/hinged, someone go shout this at deng!No need he's watching Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheMunn Posted December 31, 2006 Report Share Posted December 31, 2006 So who's going to get their new brake out first then Echo or Zhi the race is on!Place yer bets! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ogre Posted December 31, 2006 Report Share Posted December 31, 2006 OT:on the subject of maguras wtf is the point of the [post=http://www.tartybikes.co.uk/images/large_maguraclip.jpg]cylinder washer they piss me off so much it's unreal! why don't they make the cylinder flush against the mounts and put small rings of ruber around the caliper/inside the mounts? would be so much easier! what are they for? if it's to stop the magy moving around in the mounts then why not do something like i sugested? grrr also whats with the deng-hating? i don't have a problem with his parts(most of my bikes deng), they've lasted longer than my other brand parts there cheaper than monty/koxx, the anodising/several different brands may have gone a bit far but it's more choice and it makes other brands bring out more products. meh i'm probably to newschool to have a good arguament but i've seen all of the deng stuff outlast other brandsrant overdo we have any idea of cost/compatibility? (me being poor alot of the time i'd end up getting the lever one month calipers the next ) and any chance of a deng disk brake? (with anodised/branded bore caps that would be so cool) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike Poyzer @ Onza Posted December 31, 2006 Report Share Posted December 31, 2006 Magura hold in excess of 300 patents, many of them concerning hydraulic rim brakes. We have a project under development for over a year now but not ready yet to reveal any details. Suffice it to say that these brakes appear to be a straight rip off of Maguras, which any of us could have done, so I hope that he has checked very carefully Magura's patents, otherwise he could be in deep trouble. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RobinJI Posted December 31, 2006 Report Share Posted December 31, 2006 on the subject of maguras wtf is the point of the [post=http://www.tartybikes.co.uk/images/large_maguraclip.jpg]cylinder washer they piss me off so much it's unreal! why don't they make the cylinder flush against the mounts and put small rings of ruber around the caliper/inside the mounts? would be so much easier! what are they for? if it's to stop the magy moving around in the mounts then why not do something like i sugested? grrr They are there because otherwise you would only be able to adjust the slaves in and out, but not the angle of the pads on the rim. So unless your mounts and rim were perfectly parallel you wouldn't be able to set the break up properly.I hope the breaks can get around copyright. Magura really need something to give them a kick in the arse to sort out there design. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ogre Posted December 31, 2006 Report Share Posted December 31, 2006 They are there because otherwise you would only be able to adjust the slaves in and out, but not the angle of the pads on the rim. So unless your mounts and rim were perfectly parallel you wouldn't be able to set the break up properly.yeh but you don't want to angle the pads on the rim! if you could only rotate the pads, move them in out/up+down then you'd end up with pads hitting the rim square on + wearing down flat so you don't waste pad and get maximum performance out of them right from the word go. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt_Tupman Posted December 31, 2006 Report Share Posted December 31, 2006 yeh but you don't want to angle the pads on the rim! if you could only rotate the pads, move them in out/up+down then you'd end up with pads hitting the rim square on + wearing down flat so you don't waste pad and get maximum performance out of them right from the word go.Yes but most frames arn't straight and thus require you to angle the brake so that the pad is hitting square. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RobinJI Posted December 31, 2006 Report Share Posted December 31, 2006 Yep, pretty much all steel frames have the mounts inline with the stays rather than parallel to the rim so from above the mounts look like / \ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ogre Posted December 31, 2006 Report Share Posted December 31, 2006 fair do, but i still think it's shit + needs sorting out really bad Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RobinJI Posted December 31, 2006 Report Share Posted December 31, 2006 Yeah, maybe a setup kinda like the Avid disc mounts on each side. That still fitted on 4-bolt mounts. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RobinJI Posted December 31, 2006 Report Share Posted December 31, 2006 (edited) kinda like this:Add the dished washers from avid break mounts and it can be setup really easily in all directions. Edited December 31, 2006 by Dont you Just Hate it When... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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