Regarding Cls And Neil Tunnicliffe

[basher]

Perhaps because they dont want to and would rather go out on a ride in town than on a cold moor side.

[Ashley Smith]

moore side any day for me! hehe!

ash

[Burton]

He said Tunni wo lazy

Natural and street aren't the same thing, if you thing they are, you've got issues.

[mtbjosh]

i totally agree with what rossi said, its all about preference's, your choices and the free will you should have with it being an individual sport

[Deonn h]

natural and street are totally different, if anything like alot of people have said, natural is much harder to adapt to than street. streets easy and everyone can do it, and thats a simple rule of thumb, ash-kennard i really dont believe you could say that street and natural are the same.............

each to their own if they dont want to compete as others have said they dont have to. i dont compete "to win" i compete as i find it a good place to commmunicate with others, like CLS and Tunni do at street rides i find it the same at comps.

aaron i think your post sums it up and is crack on

Waynio.........................

I disagree with you abit there , if every street spot had natural there instead of walls almost everyone would ride natural so ud just be used to it.Then we would be thinking the opposite.

If that makes any sense to anyone .

[HargrovesToby]

maybe they just feel like they are riding for the fun of it, dont want to take it seriously and just want to ride for the fun. i dont know really, its a bit of a pointless arguement really isnt it!! its kind of a personal matter or preference, i love riding street and natural, just find street isnt chalenging enough.

toby

[Gavyn.]

That pretty much sums this topic up for me.

I don't think TRA takes part in competitions either, nor does Marco G.?

Now that's quite something, a rider sponsored by Koxx that doesn't do comps

I always thought that tra was daft for not doing major comps and that but i realised that he maybe doesn't like to ride under pressure and infront of large crowds perhaps it's something similar to cls

[chrishayton]

it isnt that hard, you just have to learn and adapt yourself to the surrounding environment, if its slippy, preoare to spring higher, if its thin take your time. i never said they were the same, i was trying to get at that it doesnt matter what you ride you can mix between the two. i certainly try to

so you could get through a UCI elite section? i seriously doubt it. natural can incredibly difficult, sure riding across flat rocks is easy but so is riding across the street. you have to take into account: awkward angles, not enough room for tyres, uneven take offs and landings. small loose stones that move and make you lose balence, unpredicable levels of grip. harsher terrain if you fall off. streets is mainly all nice flat edges with large run ups or smooth takeoffs. natural is far more demanding than street

[Rebelistic]

I reckon if you are riding on the edge of your ability then neither street or natural is more difficult.

I agree that (for example) a gap on natural maybe harder than the same size gap on street because of the uneven surfaces but you could find obsticals that you struggle with on both.

I also agree that if you are used to street, natural seems harder than you might expect.

Tunni/CLS etc. obviosly have some amazing skills and I'm sure they could do well at natural if they tried.

[B.E.A.U]

some people are making out as if say neil and craig went to a comp all of there skill would go and they would be like a floppy fish.

If they did it they wouldnt have to do the best would they. They have to get use to comp rules etc. I recon they would do well

i mean cls natty vid as actually amazing. the rocks are so slippery and moss and he has creepy crawlers.

When i rode comp i know i could clear pretty much every section that i did but its the time presure that gets to you. But if there was no time i would do alot better.

But natty and street are not the same if you fall in natty it hurts more than street lol unless its like tunnis broken ankle lol.

natty is more tireing and sometiems when you put you bike in a place on rocks it feels different to w

hat you thourght if you get me and the slightest move to the rong way could lead your biek to getting stuck or falling.

But maybe they dont have tim or cant be arsed.

I do want to do it but i cant get there and rents wont always take me and i dont fancy paying.

Owel thats me done lol

[nafan]

They do have very busy lives as well as trying to fit trials in, it is even hard for them to find time now I should imagine. A commitment to a national team would be too much for them with everything else, and I don't suppose its that easy to live off either...

Could be an absolute load of crap but just what I think

Nathan

[Ash-Kennard]

so you could get through a UCI elite section? i seriously doubt it. natural can incredibly difficult, sure riding across flat rocks is easy but so is riding across the street. you have to take into account: awkward angles, not enough room for tyres, uneven take offs and landings. small loose stones that move and make you lose balence, unpredicable levels of grip. harsher terrain if you fall off. streets is mainly all nice flat edges with large run ups or smooth takeoffs. natural is far more demanding than street

ok then, if were being like that then. I bet vincent cant gap 10ft flat-flat, bunnyhop up to front wheel on postboxes.

I know how to ride natural and how awkward it can be, but you can make street technical too, just be creative.

i obviously cant get through a UCI elite section as only a handful of people in the world can, and please don't lecture me I don't like it, i am not and idiot and I don't need to be patronised

[danny B]

Oooor maybe they don't like comps, and like street i know its hard to beleive with our sport being soooo supported and all but thats life, so they just ride for fun and fitness good on them.

[chrishayton]

ok then, if were being like that then. I bet vincent cant gap 10ft flat-flat, bunnyhop up to front wheel on postboxes.

I know how to ride natural and how awkward it can be, but you can make street technical too, just be creative.

i obviously cant get through a UCI elite section as only a handful of people in the world can, and please don't lecture me I don't like it, i am not and idiot and I don't need to be patronised

i bet vincent wouldnt be far off 10 foot flat to flat he and most of the top comp riders are absolute beasts, also look at that video of tunni doing 10 foot flat, it is actually slightly downhill. I wasnt patronising you but theres a huge difference between street and natural. just because you can gap tap and sidehop huge doesnt mean you can ride comps or natural well. i myself arent too great at natural yet i can tap over 50 inch gap 8 n a half foot but give me a nasty uphill slippy rock section on top of the moors somewhere and id really struggle. all im saying is natural is far more technical than riding street. and just because someone is good at street doenst automatically qualify them to be good at comps

[Simon]

Who cares?

[An_toin3]

Who cares?

exactly my own thoughts

[mrBENN]

There own decision if they wont to compete or not

[hugh_b]

sorry guys but i only just saw this and thought it made a really intersting read that for sure i have thought about before. Fair play to those who ride street, it's their choice and aslong as their having fun thats all that matters. However for anyone that says natural is the same as street and no harder must be kidding them selves. Not only is it more techical and requires accuracy and a huge amount of concentration, in a comp you have to get stuff right 1st time everytime, there's no 2nd chance unless you recover it, which is another great aspect of natural. I would like to know how many times it took the guys riding in these "amazing" street videos to get that sidehop or this hook etc. To compare them to the likes of benito and vincent is ridiculous, i myself just watched a uci vid, with our own dan butler in and the usual world level uci lot and it was truly amazing how they can do such massive moves with adverse weather conditions all without touching the crank etc. Anyways thats just my thoughts, i have ridden street but not got the same buzz out of it as i find you only have to concentrate on the move rather than lots of other factors. I'm basically a natural nut!! But will be trying some uci style riding on me 26" when it's built and a bit of street. thanks-hugh

[Pauly]

hey, well to be fair me and neil say every week we will ride natty in a few weeks haha just for a change... and im sure it will happen sooner or later we both have agreed that we are going to do comps this year .. and although neil said he will drive got me doubts big time haha.

anyway we will come up for the crack ... never been to a comp and i am really looking forward to it.

Paul

[bonzojim]

i dont no infact i do not have a clue why they dont ride competions, however this is only my view not sayin its right or wrong but i think basically if u are a natural rider u can switch over to street and its easy enough then when i see street riders turn up at a competition nine times out of ten they struggle and find it quite hard.

I enjoy riding natural and street but when it comes down to it i enjoy natural more and i think that it takes much more to be able to do than street phisicly and mentaly, but like i said this is just my view we will all have our own views.

Cheeers james...

[B.E.A.U]

sorry guys but i only just saw this and thought it made a really intersting read that for sure i have thought about before. Fair play to those who ride street, it's their choice and aslong as their having fun thats all that matters. However for anyone that says natural is the same as street and no harder must be kidding them selves. Not only is it more techical and requires accuracy and a huge amount of concentration, in a comp you have to get stuff right 1st time everytime, there's no 2nd chance unless you recover it, which is another great aspect of natural. I would like to know how many times it took the guys riding in these "amazing" street videos to get that sidehop or this hook etc. To compare them to the likes of benito and vincent is ridiculous, i myself just watched a uci vid, with our own dan butler in and the usual world level uci lot and it was truly amazing how they can do such massive moves with adverse weather conditions all without touching the crank etc. Anyways thats just my thoughts, i have ridden street but not got the same buzz out of it as i find you only have to concentrate on the move rather than lots of other factors. I'm basically a natural nut!! But will be trying some uci style riding on me 26" when it's built and a bit of street. thanks-hugh

i agree apart from the bit where you say you have to get it right first time everytime.

to be honest ide say you have to get the drops gaps neil does right. imagine if he didnt get a huuuge drop gap to rail right. thats going to turn out nasty,

[hugh_b]

i agree apart from the bit where you say you have to get it right first time everytime.

to be honest ide say you have to get the drops gaps neil does right. imagine if he didnt get a huuuge drop gap to rail right. thats going to turn out nasty,

yeah defo agree with you their, they do some crazy stuff but i have seen people riding street do massive stuff, crash and crash and try again and fairplay to them its hard, alot of the stuff neil and craig do you wouldnt see at a comp, i spose i'm not really refering to the 15ft drops etc etc i just wonder if they got alot of the moves thar are used in natural eg a hook, 1st time, anyways, it's great they ride and enjoy it, thats what it's all about. It's just with the comp stuff you have to concentrate on so much more, for example-am i going to get grip, am i going to land on that 4 inch wide point spot on to get the next move etc etc. If you dont get it right the 1st time theres no chance of re-doing that section again. i have to say it would be nice to see more people at comps, it's a great atmosphere so come on guys, join in, even if it's with you m8's for a laugh, you will still be supporting our sport. cheers-hugh

[Shaun H]

yeah defo agree with you their, they do some crazy stuff but i have seen people riding street do massive stuff, crash and crash and try again and fairplay to them its hard, alot of the stuff neil and craig do you wouldnt see at a comp, i spose i'm not really refering to the 15ft drops etc etc i just wonder if they got alot of the moves thar are used in natural eg a hook, 1st time, anyways, it's great they ride and enjoy it, thats what it's all about. It's just with the comp stuff you have to concentrate on so much more, for example-am i going to get grip, am i going to land on that 4 inch wide point spot on to get the next move etc etc. If you dont get it right the 1st time theres no chance of re-doing that section again. i have to say it would be nice to see more people at comps, it's a great atmosphere so come on guys, join in, even if it's with you m8's for a laugh, you will still be supporting our sport. cheers-hugh

Whenever I've ridden with Neil, anything that is under his "limits" he gets first time everytime including hooks and to be honest anything at a comp is going to be far off his limits in terms of size. The only thing I think he'll struggle with is the change in grip levels and the extra difficulty of balancing on rocks etc. It's just a case of how much he'll struggle with these things...

[TrashZen]

Just going to places and show up in time is a stopper... when it's so much easier to just take the bike out and ride without any fuss...

But is that selfish??

[Mr Rankin]

well done for bringing this one up. First things first i just want to point out, as somebody else did earlier that Cls used to compete in tyketrial and british champs. he even got in to Elite at the brits which is no mean feat, then he decided street was more his thing and got amazingly good at it. Fair play to him he has huge moves and good technical ability too.

Riding natural and riding a competition are completely different, the constraints you are put under in a comp environment are massive i.e you get given just enough room to navogate an object in a certain way, no run up for example or a stoney uphill run up. time limit, observer watching your every move and usually a crowd of riders you are directly competing against. it is these factors which set competion apart from normal riding, be it street or natural.

For Somebody to think that the moves cls and tunnie use in their videos are all you need to ride at a high level in comp has obviously missed something.lol

To say that either of these guys could go to the world champs and compete against the likes of vincent or kenny or gaicomo is ridiculous, the level of these riders fitness, focus and skill is totally out of this world. not to mention the years of experience.

i think it would also dent their egos if they were to get beaten by underrated riders which would undoubtedly happen.

personally i would love to see craig and neil compete, it would help increase the profile of competiton riding in the uk and bring more new riders to compete. but of course if they are happy doing what they are doing then why should they change to please us folk.

cheers for listening