Political Correctness Gone f**king Crazy!

[F-Stop Junkie]

I dont care if i sound racist they can all go home for all i care,

Well it's a good thing you don't care, as you are being really racist.

"They can all go home" - which has been said in quite a few times in this thread - is becoming an increasingly daft thing to say as there are growing numbers of second and third generation British muslims, Sihks, Hindus and so on. These are people who are from Britain.

I'm sure the few cases which have been largely blown out of proportion by the media, are about inclusion. Yes it's taking the Christianity out of Christmas - which probably 98% of Britain won't care about - but Christmas is celebrated by most in one way or another, and everyone is affected by it, either through shops shutting, a dirge of bad songs in the charts, or the Sound of Music being on telly. Britain isn't this affected by Passover or Diwali. All that's happened is a few people have made a decision based on either fear of discrimination, or wanting to include non-Christians in the season, that's all.

A lot of managers are worried about discrimination in the work place, as it can be a very difficult subject to handle. It's not a fault of the managers, but instead all the people who think they can gain from lodging cases with employment tribunerals for discrimination or unfair dismissal when they have no solid foundation for the case. It's the same as personal injury cases pushing up the cost of motor insurance for everyone.

It's easy to forget that most people and places are thinking how mad this is too, but because the media get wind of it, it becomes a big issue disproportionate to the actual impact it's having in Britain.

On a moderation note, I've already given warnings and deleted a couple of posts from this thread which were flat out racist. If you want to talk about political correctness, then fine, but tread carefully. This forum can not be used to spread racist or hateful opinions or messages. I will give out warnings, and ban people if the strength of the post demands it. You have been warned.

Its the ones that talk in indian/jiberish'ati to each other in quiet public places that does my head in. They come and live here, why speak silly tongue?

To top it off they pointed at my friend and spoke about them in jiberish'ati while we were watching them, then wouldn't tell us what they said when we asked

If English is your second language, why not speak in a language which is easier for you? Especially as some people, especially older people, struggle to learn English so it's much easier for them in their community to speak Hindi or whatever.

To talk in front of other people like that though, especially when in a position of authority such as a security guard, is impolite and potentially quite frightening for vulnerable people. If that had been me, I'd have taken their names and the time it occured and taken it to the management of the halls and the Student Union. If you can prove your other allegations, I'd raise that two with both parties.

[JT!]

It's just down right stupid. If i was of a different faith, and didn't celebrate christmas, and someone said merry christmas to me, i'd say it back.

I talk to a few americans who said to me "happy thanksgiving" i said the same back. I'm not offended.

It's just people with chips on their shoulders flexing their 'political correctness' muscles.

[Tomm]

They come and live here, why speak silly tongue? Its like the height of ignorance

Hmmm. Irony?

On a moderation note, I've already given warnings and deleted a couple of posts from this thread which were flat out racist. If you want to talk about political correctness, then fine, but tread carefully. This forum can not be used to spread racist or hateful opinions or messages. I will give out warnings, and ban people if the strength of the post demands it. You have been warned.

About time too

It's just down right stupid. If i was of a different faith, and didn't celebrate christmas, and someone said merry christmas to me, i'd say it back.

I talk to a few americans who said to me "happy thanksgiving" i said the same back. I'm not offended.

Yeah, I have no problem with saying Eid Mubarrach to whoever was celebrating Eid. I agree it's stupid, but it's been completely blown out of all proportion by idiots, as F-stop said.

[munkee]

bollocks f-stop... had to delete my own post.

On another note.. don't understand why a thread like this does need to be moderated. If someone is racist then they are racist.. should b e allowed to have their own view. If someone gets offended by them being racist then they can be offended. Its only the same as black people going to the MOBO awards...you don't see a MOWO awards do you? yet no one says anything. If someone says whatever religion should all die.. fair enough... theres already terrorists out their coming over to blow us up im sure they dont mind what people think. No wonder all these "different" religions get shitty when someone calls them paki/nigger/etc etc etc because the world has to act so "PC" about it all. You dont see the white and nerdy song getting banned because it says honki in it... yet if someone made a music vid with nigger thrown in a few times in the same derogatory sense then it would be banned before it even got to tv.

Its all the same as somone saying.. i like cheese.. and another person going nah i hate the stuff its disgusting. You dont see fights breaking out over shit like that.. people just take it on as being someone elses taste

Edited December 6, 2006 by Spacemunkee

[Tony Harrison]

What I don't understand is why it's ok to say 'That's gay!' etc all the time (using 'gay' as a derogatry term). I did a test in another thread - someone said hot weather is for gays, I said it's for another group of people (I used the 'n' word). My post got deleted, the other one didn't.

I think the big problem is lack of consistency - not here in the forum, but in general life. I used to walk past a Hindu church thing every day, and in winter they have a lit up sign saying 'Happy Diwali'. I liked that, and saw it as a friendly gesture, and I'm sure they would understand people saying Happy Christmas.

As someone said, it's probably white do-gooders who are responsible for a lot of this, and all it does is create more problems, both for 'us' and the minorities. I'll be saying Happy Christmas a lot this year, and I damned if I'm going be told it's wrong, just as I think the Hindu's should celibrate Diwali, etc.

[1a2bcio8]

The power of words eh.

Personally I think the whole PC thing is a bit silly. Peoples intention when they say Merry Xmas or something similar is, I would assume, not to cause offence, but to celebrate something they appreciate. Doesn't it make the most sense to consider that part of somebodies word/expression usage? Rather than the way somebody might interperate it which contains an infinite of potentials. Additionally, giving words such status can actually empower them, because of the consensual value placement that people then relate to those words. Such as 'swear' words.

In regards to people being 'racist', I think, again relative to myself, that people should be allowed their opinions, even if some of us disagree with them. After all, the best we can objectively say about racism is that the view is incorrect in varying degrees; that a generalisation or claimed behaviour regarding a social group is incorrect. I don't think you can say a feeling/emotion, in itself, is wrong.

Basically we can't really say that racism, objectively speaking, is wrong per se; only that it is wrong to me as an individual. Of course you're more than welcome to say that it is completely wrong, but I'd say that, in a sense, just like the racist and their rationale, I think you'd be incorrect.

I think that censorship is not a good thing, regarding anything. It can impact on 'progressive', or not, minority view, where censorship is claimed to be doing a 'positive' but where that minority view may one day become a majority. Look through history, this is a seemingly solid trend. Maybe racism is 'right' for the majoirty of humans. I don't know. Can any of you say, to an absolute, that it is or is not?

Also, when opinion is censored, it can't be communicated with. I would personally like to know about what the people aruond me think, even if I disagree. Communication relates to social change, censorship relates to social stagnation.

My 'paki' girlfriend agrees with me on this (she told me to write this part ).

Edited December 6, 2006 by rowly

[yoyoyo]

I won't comment properly because i don't want a warning.

All i'll say is, i think not being allowed to say merry christmas is silly.

[Sam Ward]

I won't comment properly because i don't want a warning.

All i'll say is, i think not being allowed to say merry christmas is silly.

i agree with you there i am racist and i have my views end of, the fact is i cant express them anywhere nowadays.

things are seriously gettin out of hand- first you cant say fat, you have to say obese. you now have to say bariatric. teachers in my school cant say brainstorm because of the amount of epileptics in my year- all girls who in exams severley put you off- but thats a whole different kettle of fish. my mum cant call someone with a multiple personality disorder that at work, thats serious because the actual name of the disorder. and you cant tell your children about ba ba black sheep or the fat controler because of the amount of twats living in the country. im geting severly pissed off woth people making things out of nothing.

sam

[TomR]

yeh thats true, but what if some guy on your street road a mx motorbike every night at 11?

you'd want the local authorities to do something about that then, and i'm pretty sure the guy with the bike wouldn't be too happy about your complaint.

i know it makes no sense to you that someone wouldn't want a huge england flag on their street (it make no sense to me either, i'm on your side), but the guy with the bike would probably see no sense in his bike being impounded either.

I see your point but anti-social behaviour is completely different to patriotism.

[Tony Harrison]

I won't comment properly because i don't want a warning.

Lots of people feel like that all the time. I was in a bar with someone and I was saying how much I hate religion, and how Christianity winds me up. Then I started saying that I think Islam is oppressive, etc, and she got nervous, looking around as said 'You can't say things like that...'.

Fair enough, if I was standing up inciting people to hate those who follow religion, that wouldn't be much fun for them (personally I think if you believe in religion you must be stupid, and you deserve the ridicule you get, but it doesn't mean I don't think people shouldn't 'worship' if it makes them happy), but when it gets to a point where people are afraid to express their viewpoint for fear of reprisals it sucks.

PLUS, a lot of people these days have a really twisted idea of what rascism is. I commented that someone looked like Bin Laden (and he damn well did!) and I was called a rascist. Earlier that day I'd pointed out someone who looked like Maggie Thatcher and nothing was said.

[tomturd]

Haha I'm loving the way people are saying 'They can do this' 'They can do that' - who? As has been said, it was probably a Christian politician/teacher who banned it.

Seems like you guys (the racist amongst you - sadly it seems like most of you, but I'm guessing a lot of that is due to the fact most of you are plain immature) will take any excuse to vent your racist, based on f all knowledge opinions.

Anyway I'm off to get the Daily Mail so I can join in with you lot. (Again, I'm guessing most of you don't read papers, but your parents probably do, which I'm guessing deep down is what your opinions are based on)

[Barbra]

My racism, for what part there is, is the fact that asians are behind all the trouble there is around my area. We'll get a huge group of asians coming down smashing windows starting fights for no apparenty reason. Then if i'm up the skate park, we'll see some white chavs, that they rarely do a thing, unless someone is insulting them and what not. Whereas if a huge group of asians come up, they're there to cause trouble and steal i have found. A friend of mine had a card put in his mouth and punched (in the mouth with the card in) by an asian. If they weren't there always causing trouble then i probably wouldn't be in this frame of mind about them. But the fact is its not just 'a few individuals' as i'm sure someone must have said in this thread by now, that cause trouble. Its actually huge groups of people. They also say things about white people being racist, and not allowing them to fit in, yet for the most part they will only move to a location that there are other asian people.

EDIT: Dave i'll admit it. But there are places you can and can't say things, no matter how much you hate it.

Edited December 6, 2006 by Barber

[mat hudson]

f**k this shit.

[zoo]

My racism, for what part there is, is the fact that asians are behind all the trouble there is around my area. We'll get a huge group of asians coming down smashing windows starting fights for no apparenty reason. Then if i'm up the skate park, we'll see some white chavs, that they rarely do a thing, unless someone is insulting them and what not. Whereas if a huge group of asians come up, they're there to cause trouble and steal i have found. A friend of mine had a card put in his mouth and punched (in the mouth with the card in) by an asian. If they weren't there always causing trouble then i probably wouldn't be in this frame of mind about them. But the fact is its not just 'a few individuals' as i'm sure someone must have said in this thread by now, that cause trouble. Its actually huge groups of people. They also say things about white people being racist, and not allowing them to fit in, yet for the most part they will only move to a location that there are other asian people.

EDIT: Dave i'll admit it. But there are places you can and can't say things, no matter how much you hate it.

Tis a public forum though...Not shelton,I wouldn't care if i got called (insert racist name) so i don't see why it bothers p**ki's and what not.

zoo baby!

[Fixed Pants™]

You dont see the white and nerdy song getting banned because it says honki in it... yet if someone made a music vid with nigger thrown in a few times in the same derogatory sense then it would be banned before it even got to tv.

Preach reverond. Takes the piss so much. The other day in school, two year 7/8s were squabling, one was mixed race and one was white, the mixed race on said 'stupid white willy' to the white one, if i was to call someone a 'stupid nigger' for stealing my phone, they would ACTUALLY kill me.

Why do we keep letting them in? So stupid, can the polititians not see that they're mostly corrupt. Polititians need to pull their head out of their arse and go to the less wealthy areas of London especially, prehaps look at where i live/ experience what it's like to live in a place populated by mostly foreigners that aren't gonna do anything but mug you.

I do believe 'zoo' is mixed race? You're the kind of non white person i don't mind, actually like in most cases, sorry if i have offended you in anyway, but it's the people that nick your phones etc that give blacks/ non whites a bad name.

Edited December 6, 2006 by Fat Pants

[zoo]

Preach reverond. Takes the piss so much. The other day in school, two year 7/8s were squabling, one was mixed race and one was white, the mixed race on said 'stupid white willy' to the white one, if i was to call someone a 'stupid nigger' for stealing my phone, they would ACTUALLY kill me.

Why do we keep letting them in? So stupid, can the polititians not see that they're mostly corrupt. Polititians need to pull their head out of their arse and go to the less wealthy areas of London especially, prehaps look at where i live/ experience what it's like to live in a place populated by mostly foreigners that aren't gonna do anything but mug you.

I do believe 'zoo' is mixed race? You're the kind of non white person i don't mind, actually like in most cases, sorry if i have offended you in anyway, but it's the people that nick your phones etc that give blacks/ non whites a bad name.

Lol no mate i'm white as a white chocolate malteser....I was just saying if a pakki called me 'snowflake' or 'white trash' I would just laugh,name calling don't mean sh*t.Just annoys me because they run the country,you always see pakkis in Bmw's or Merc's or are on the dole,there is no in between (except car washes,there's lots of them around here)

zoo baby!

[Fixed Pants™]

Oh, ok, i know there's one mixed race bloke on here, what i said goes to him.

[Rebelistic]

It's a shame there seems to be so many racists on T.F.

I think in some ways PC has gone too far with things like this and it back fires and turns people against being PC and in some ways being PC is good, so it has a negative effect.

I don't like most religions simply because they seem to discorage free-thinking and try to tell people how to live and what to think. Also in most religions, questioning the religion it'self is not allowed.

Having said that, I don't hate or dislike anyone simply because of their religion and I'm not in the least bit offended by someone saying happy Christmas to me.

Open mindedness is the way foward IMO

'Merry Christmas' to you all.

[Fishy]

The word nigga comes from an old american slang word for slave or something, so that is a big reason why it cause's so much aggression.

Also how many asians you call 'pakis' are actually pakistani?

Not being allowed to say Happy Christmas is rather silly though. Whoever made the statement.

[tomturd]

You're the kind of non white person i don't mind, actually like in most cases, sorry if i have offended you in anyway, but it's the people that nick your phones etc that give blacks/ non whites a bad name.

Firstly, lol.

Secondly, your trying to justify your racism on the fact that 'non whites' steal phones? Last I heard white people were stealing phones too

Edit: why am I joining in with this.. I guess to hope to make you maybe stand back and think about exactly why you get so worked up about this issue, and if its worth the effort?

[Davetrials]

Haha I'm loving the way people are saying 'They can do this' 'They can do that' - who? As has been said, it was probably a Christian politician/teacher who banned it.

Seems like you guys (the racist amongst you - sadly it seems like most of you, but I'm guessing a lot of that is due to the fact most of you are plain immature) will take any excuse to vent your racist, based on f all knowledge opinions.

Anyway I'm off to get the Daily Mail so I can join in with you lot. (Again, I'm guessing most of you don't read papers, but your parents probably do, which I'm guessing deep down is what your opinions are based on)

why do most of your replys on here always give the idea that your talking DOWN to everybody?

[dave85]

possibly cos he's got a greater understanding than the people he's talking down to?

[Davetrials]

surley he could word it better so it doesnt sound like hes being some kind of unkind person (lol)

Edited December 6, 2006 by Davetrials

[br3n]

its not just this though is it? People are becoming so scared of getting sued that they go to any lengths to avoid it, a good example is that conker thing from a few years back where the head teacher had to drill all the holes and they had to wear goggles while they play.

Shit happens in life, thats what makes it interesting... Stop trying to protect everyone from everything and just live a little. I seriously worry for the next few generations, they are going to live such dull and unimaginative lives.

[F-Stop Junkie]

On another note.. don't understand why a thread like this does need to be moderated. If someone is racist then they are racist.. should b e allowed to have their own view. If someone gets offended by them being racist then they can be offended. Its only the same as black people going to the MOBO awards...you don't see a MOWO awards do you?

Some would say that a lot of awards favour white artists, or have predominantly white input. When black music was struggling to gain recognition, things like the MOBOs made a lot of sense. Now black (Urban, or whatever it's called these days) music is more mainstream, has it's own radio stations and so on, and why not? It's no more a race issue than the Kerrang awards celebrating rock instead of dance music. Didn't a Bedingfield or two win a MOBO?

Now, as to why this thread should be moderated. This is a public forum, and as such, comments must be suitable. There's a fine line between a reasoned argument, and hate rants. There is no place here for people to post intolerant messages for the sake of it. I've already deleted one message which was nothing but a message of hate towards one religion. It's a fine line, but I'm hoping that users are mature enough to know what is, and what is not suitable for such a forum.

Those who insist on crossing the line and posting messages of pure hate will get warned or banned.