Anyone Ever Think About

[boon racoon]

i tend not to read them as i work for them and have seen the catalogue so many times before it goes into production i'm sick of the sight of it by now...

i read it once then saw my ugly mug and got all embarassed

[Waynio]

ye theres not alot of nova's left, its been taken over by the corsa brigade or the saxo mobiles.

i was going to convert my van to gas (i think) that is EXTREMLY eco friendly, got told it does not pollute??? i may be wrong though but then i would loose a bit of fun performance.

it is something we all do, silly little things like big black bins turning up in my back garden that my mum order just to help recycling, has sort of helped me do a bit, im not saying i do alot, but just having a bin that my mother says "go throw that in the black bin in the garden" helps a little bit

send me your mobile number tom and il give you a bell, may try get a trip over sooner rather than later to liverpool?

Cheers dude.

Waynio...........................

[Rebelistic]

Yeah, interesting topic.

So re-cycling paper is bad and anodizing(sp) is really bad? - I didn't know that.

I agree that trials has a very small impact on the environment compared to other industries, however I do prefer to buy parts made in the UK if possible - more to support UK manufactoring.

I remain in two minds about personal impact on the environment. I think it is important to set a good example and every bit helps - but if America (+China Russia etc.) is not stopped then we are doomed no matter what we do.

To re-cycle and live 'green' takes a lot of time/money/effort. Perhaps that time/money/effort would be better invested in trying to make the worst polluters stop.

If you live 'green' but don't make others do the same then when the environment is f**ked will you smile and say 'we're all f**ked but at least it wasn't my fault' ?

Can the world really be made to live sustainably? - I'd like to think so, but I doubt it somehow.

Hope this makes sense

[Matthew62]

I don't think its really a question of us feeling responsible for the environment as 'trials riders' - we should be responsible and aware of it as human beings, and people in general. The eco-friendly argument is endless and often very uninteresting to many - of course it is a massively important issue but in todays world of ever increasing political correctness, and health and safety extremeties, the eco-friendly argument tends to get lost in a pile of modern 'buzz words' and current trends.

Of all the things we do as humans in everyday of our lives, i think the effect were having as trials riders is so obseenly minial its almost irrelevant ''almost''. For many riding our bikes is something we do when we can for a relatively small proportion of our time - twin that with the fact that trials is a pretty small sport that only a small number of people participate in - i find it annoying for any guilt to be placed on me doing it. Im as environementally concious as i can be, i used to recycle when i lived at home, but now at Uni i live in an area which doesnt provide it and the nearest recyling areas are a good distance away (which would require driving too) - so which is the lesser of 2 evils, do i not recyle (save the car journey), or do i recycle and polute the atmosphere with my emisions...

Eco friendly attitudes and behaviours need to be something we can incorporate into our lifestyles with minimal effort - i would never allow it to be of a detromental effect to me, in the sense that i got so overly concerned with what my individual effect was having on the atmosphere that it completely took over my life.

I recently passed my driving test and shortly will get a car, i wont use the car for journeys like going into town, but i wont feel guilt for using it when i need it, it is something i need for getting home, getting materials for my uni projects and so on...and to think every time i got into the car that i should feel guilty is just not worth thinking about.

Everyone as individuals should do there part if possible to help out and to make the world a more eco-friendly place to live, but to appeal to us as trials riders i think is stupid - its an almost dumbing down of the issue - its a massive global problem that shouldn't be segregated into such things as leisure activities, especially ones such as trials riding which is as fairly eco-friendly as it gets...i fail to see that exact point you are making by posting the argument here....?

Edited November 27, 2006 by Matthew62

[Jang]

1 )how shipping frames from taiwan/china half way accross the world isn't very eco friendly

2 )how driving 400miles to ride your bike for a few hours at a comp is a massive waste of fuel

3)too many arrogant teenagers

4)do any of you re cycle or demand your products are sent to you misus a load of the un needed packaging.

1)So.. We'll make frames in the UK, the welders here arn't half as good as over there, and a £300 frame will now cost you £900.. Good luck with paying for your mortage. (Saying that, you'd live in a tent instead to be eco friendly?)

2)How many comps have you been to? How many times do you see just 1 person in a car?

3)Your being very arrogant aswell, assuming no one else gives a toss.. You just think we're arrogant because your assuming we don't think what you think.

Tell me, do you own a microwave? tv? power shower? hedge trimmers.. whatever all uses power or gives off shit in some way or another. Infact, your using a computer to type on here, that gives off heat and uses electricity?

And then theres the man in power telling us to 'catch buses'...

yes, those buses that would cost me £3 per day, those buses that are always late, horrible to be on and are hardly road worthy.

£3 a DAY on the bus...or £5 a WEEK in the car? Easy choice.

£1095 for bus every day of the year.

Car, (excluding original cost) - putting this into a very round average!

Insurence £1000

Tax £175

MOT £100

Repairs £300? Per Yr..

Servicing £400 per yer

+ Fuel £260

Total £2235.

Works out at £6.12 per day..

Double the cost right, HOWEVER its how you spend your own money, i'd rather pay double and have the convience of using it when i want and not waiting. Without going to work to earn my money, i'd be on the doll and taking more of the governments money, instead of paying them every month and every time i fill up.. They put a huge charge on stuff so they can keep going and decide matters like this.

hey boyo, my wonderful girlfriend has bought me a new bike for christmas so i'll be back ont bike soon

Hope she got the message about no anno parts on the bike?

how many people fill their vans/cars up with bio diesel before driving to comps/rides?

Haha, have you even smelt that stuff? the culprets here are delievery companies and there trucks, get them to use the bio stuff, but for them to arse about with that you have to make it cheaper, thus less money to the government.. Which then schools, hospitals etc suffer and the UK comes off alot worse.

I seriously envy you if all you have to worry about it damn anno products! You got it bloody easy my son.

I don't know anyone i've referenced here, and i don't mean it to sound like a personal dig..

I'd just love to see a new fighter jet for the army to be fully annodised.. Now thats a killing mechine

[Ollie Histon]

trust me the effect trials rider have on the world is nothing compared to what ohter big nasty people are doing to destroy the world.

[Walleee]

Spunk bucket seems to have gone all quiet now.....

and +1 for both matthew and jang's post's

Edited November 27, 2006 by jake1516

[PaRtZ]

I don't really care too much about the environment. Ill bin my litter, cycle where i can + use buses and trains, but it wont be too long before they say that it's easier to kill people to reduce CO2 emissions.

If humans cant take responsibility to change to continue future generations then sod it, we'll just die off

[Davetrials]

Lmfao, i dont care how many people try and chnage what ever they do, to save the enviroment, theres still gonna be a hell of a lot more people damaging it, thus me being stubborn and likes the way things are atm, im not gonan change and i dont think the world should, were all gonan be dead before anything bad happends anway. who cares.

Less of the bollox captain greenpeace(tom)

Edited November 28, 2006 by Davetrials

[poopipe]

i read it once then saw my ugly mug and got all embarassed

that page is stuck to the next one in my copy

since I'm posting I ought to make some sort of contribution...

I'm with the sensible people above - the only substantial positive impact is going to come from tackling industry because they produce the vast majority of the environmentally unfriendly shite. Obviously we can all do our little bit to help and it's important from a psychological point of view that we all get into the habit of being environmentally friendly (so that people who aren't get stigmatised) so that in a generation or two it'll be second nature.

Don't forget, we haven't had this government sponsored world saving initiative for very long - I remember (fairly) clearly when they discovered the hole in the ozone layer, I can't have been younger than 10 so this is not old news and to my mind the progress that's been made as a nation in that time is pretty impressive.

Maybe people have been unduly harsh to spunkmonkeyman (er..whatever) - the sentiment behind the thread is a noble one. I for one didn't have any idea that anodising was particularly toxic so not only have I've learnt something but I will actually think twice before purchasing a set of neon pink anodised deng cranks (or whatever) when the time comes.

[Walleee]

Maybe people have been unduly harsh to spunkmonkeyman (er..whatever) - the sentiment behind the thread is a noble one. I for one didn't have any idea that anodising was particularly toxic so not only have I've learnt something but I will actually think twice before purchasing a set of neon pink anodised deng cranks (or whatever) when the time comes.

I agree, but I think HE is the only one who has been unduly harsh in this thread.

[CBProductions]

You have a good point tom but I think their are bigger influences on the environment that are many many times bigger. The only way we can help is to share cars maybe , ride to places that we can or use public transport at the end of the day we arent the ones sitting in car parks in the evenings. Good topic , im not going to ask what made you come up with it though

[poopipe]

I agree, but I think HE is the only one who has been unduly harsh in this thread.

maybe, I skipped a lot of posts cos of the bickering.

you're all coonts

that's better, now nobody's left out

[ride_whenever]

I'd just like to say that i also cycle to work in the holidays and to lectures etc when at uni, the effect on emissions that i have by that travel (about 200miles a week in the holidays) is clearly enough to allow me my adonised qr skewers!

Also on the Nuclear power front, it is indeed very safe and almost certainly the way forward. The problem at the moment with alternative energies is that we currently use an enormous amount of energy. Therefore we need a large easily accessible source of power. Fossil fuels are good for this because they are reasonably easily obtained (at least the first 10% or so) and give up large amounts of energy. Nothing else even comes close to the energy factor of oil except nuclear (both sorts).

From what i have heard from physicists working at JET they just need to make the reactors much larger to get fusion to work, and ideally make it in a remote location, but the hydrogen isotopes needed are reasonably rare and difficult to separate. Conventional nuclear power is the only fuel that has any chance of currently providing the energy we need. If our energy needs are not met we will not be able to produce any plastics or pharmaceuticals.

If that occurs then we will have massive deaths worldwide and the decomposing corpses will compound this and cause some proper climate change and we'll most probably wipe ourselves out.

[poopipe]

If that occurs then we will have massive deaths worldwide and the decomposing corpses will compound this and cause some proper climate change and we'll most probably wipe ourselves out.

the simple solution to that is to eat the dead

[ride_whenever]

take it you're a fan of raw rotting human flesh then

Zombie!

[Krisboats]

Okay so the majority of people are against pollution and emmissions and stuff. Is there any organisations that deal with conrtibutions for this sort of thing.

Why not put these opinions and peoples obvious concern about the topic into action? Your saying we can't do anything... why not actively publicise recycling and saving energy?

If we were to get say a a third of this forum for the biggest ride we have ever seen and have it as a sponsored event, or even multiple ones taking place all over the country. If we had a thousand riders who could get even just £10 sponsorship money for us to do something on our silly little bikes then we'd have raised £10,000. Couple of phone calls to different places and some newspapers and we'd have coverage of us doing it, something like this is what we need. A massive charity event that gets trials into the public eye, it'd be such an increase in coverage of the sport it'd be insane.

We could have it as something like if we can ride round london or wherever on our silly little geared bikes why can't everyone else use their bikes more.

Why have we never done massive sponsored rides before? Cancer, poverty, famine, energy/global warming... the list is endless. People want trials to become popular but how are people going to know about it if we can't show them? Something like this would be a good way to quickly and easily get publicity for the sport and at the same time point out to the public that we're not just out to destroy their flowers and walls.

[Sponge]

I've only read the first post, as I'm lazy and in an Art lesson right now!

The only company I know of that are environmentally-friendly/mention that they care about the environment is Kris Holm unicycles (yes, very much Trials-related!)

Unicycling is a sport for individualists and adventurers who love the challenge of balance, the environment we ride in, and the idea that we can do more with less.

KHU produces equipment that lasts through years of long rides with minimal maintenance or upgrades. We recognize that our sport impacts the environment and commit to low-impact manufacturing methods and to supporting environmental conservation. As a member of One Percent for the Planet, Kris Holm Unicycles is the world's first cycling company to commit 1% of sales to environmental conservation.

KHU also supports individuals who ride at the highest level and act as great ambassadors for our sport.

Kris Holm

[poopipe]

take it you're a fan of raw rotting human flesh then

Zombie!

don't be silly. it's entirely possible to start fires and preserve food without electricity.

[ride_whenever]

:$ Okay so i did over-react a little.

Better still would be a no car day, personally i'd like to bad cars almost entirely and make everyone cycle everywhere or use public transport!!!! That'd be great.

As a sport I think trials riders as well as all cyclists seem to recycle quite a lot, constantly selling our kit onto each other etc. On the carbon fibre is evil for the environment theme, one frame company, Storck reclaim 99.78% of the carbon used in their frames as well as some of the resin!!!

It is also recycled by specialist companies like www.milledcarbon.com

[RobinJI]

As you can probably tell by the Howie's link in my signature, This is something I have thought about.

Howie's are a great company, I have to confess I don't own much of there stuff, as its bloody expensive and I'm bloody poor, so just a few tees, but if I had the money I would have a lot more.

Anyway. The thing with anodizing is kind of like that way that the US chrome absolutely every part of most cars. The process of chrome plating is very harmful to the environment, and the USA do so much of it, that it makes a serious difference.

Personally I try to do my bit. My bikes as British made as I could afford, and doesn't have too much anodized parts. I wont really go anywhere in the car (well rents ATM) without making sure I have a full car load of bikes and people. And If I get a car on the road I'll either stick with the bus to college or car share with mates. I'm also very conscious about things like not leaving anything I'm my room on stand-by I mean why does a DVD player even need a standby button? you have to go to it to put the disc in in the first place anyway?

Sorry, went of track a bit there. but yeah, it is something I've thought about and try and do my part with, but there is a certain point at which it just becomes stupid to go to.

[Nick Garland]

Even if we stopped shipping the frames over and stopped creating so much CO2 from burning fuel etc there are enough greenhouse gases in the atmostphere to the extent that if worldwide, we reduced the amount of greenhouse gases going into the atmosphere by 60-80%, the earth will still heat up by 5 degress, enough to cut off the gulf stream, give us more frequent and extreme weather and eventually leading to another ice age. They believe a mini ice age is on the way.

We've polluted too much to stop now we just need to reduce them. Unfortunatley we can't stop shipping items and paiting them. If we did the world economy would no doubt collapse. Also us driving 400 miles to a comp and back pollutes far less than 1 american company leaving on all of their electrical equipment such as photocopiers, heating, computers air con etc over night when not in use.

[anzo]

Better still would be a no car day

Like 'No Smoking Day'...usually followed by a comment like 'No *takes a drag* what day?'.

Everything is Toxic in big quantities, I'm afraid until they discover some kind of fuel from planet jnfjienf that released no gases, vapours or waste materials...we're pretty much f**ked for. Do I care? Do I f**k.

At the state of this world now, we'll probably get done over by something else. Its not to say I don't care about the environment, its just lifes to short to be worried about it...I'm concerned with bigger problems in my life right now, like what colour shirt I wear for work tomorrow.

We can't even look after ourselves, nevermind the planet.

the earth will still heat up by 5 degress, enough to cut off the gulf stream, give us more frequent and extreme weather and eventually leading to another ice age.

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Send God my regards

[Prawny Baby's Baby]

Shipping is a problem but then building new factorys with new machines etc closer to home would be just as damaging to resources. And it would cause problems to those countrys that rely on exporting goods to make money.

Driving to a comp isn't so bad really, you want to go you go. If however you also drive down to the local shop when you could just as easily walk or drive to work when the train would do then thats a problem.

To be honest i think trials riding isn't a great evil in the world of engery saving and the enviroment. Try talking to people about things that would make a bigger difference, turning off unused lights, and not leaving the tv on stand by, unp[lugging phone chargers when they aren't being used, those would probably do a lot more for the enviroment then people stopping driving to the infrequent comps!

[Walleee]

Remotley related...

scroll down to where you hear the noise from...

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