The Real Big Bang.

[Barbra]

link!

Read that and discuss.

I don't see how this could work but jesus if it does we'll be going back in time and all sorts, or we could be dying

[JT!]

Welcome to the 21st centuary.

I love the way they build machines that cost uncomprehendable amount of money just to test a theroy that probably won't be true.

Interesting stuff though.

[Danny]

We were going to go to CERN with a level physics but never did for some reason

[Extreme_biker0]

It is a huge amount of money to invest in something. Makes you wonder how they get the funding really.

What they discover may be used for the benefit of all mankind - including the reversal of global warming.

Although those sneaky scientists sure know who pays the bills; the govornment However useful it may be for certain applications, it is highly unlikey it will help with global warming AT all!

Edited November 23, 2006 by Extreme_biker0

[yoyoyo]

Why do we have to go delving into such small stuff. 5 bil just to crack open an atom.

Does it really matter that much. Does it hamper our exsistence should we not find out.

Meh, governments and scientist always trying to take it too far.

Should it work, i'd give it a few years until someones playing god.

The only good thing i see in it, is that it's a lot of countries helping not just one. But thats just so it's no one county that says "blah blah we did it first, we're better than you."

Edit: Is CERN the people in that Dan Brown book, possibly 'Angels and Demons'?

Edited November 23, 2006 by yoyoyo

[Mr Motivator]

Hmmn, seems a little unpredictable.

If it does reveal the secret, at least we can knock this religion bollocks on the head.

[JT!]

Why do we have to go delving into such small stuff. 5 bil just to crack open an atom.

The human race as a whole can't stand not knowning something. So they'll spend £5 billion happilly to find out just a tiny amount of information.

If it does reveal the secret, at least we can knock this religion bollocks on the head.

If you think about it, god exsisting is the only real plauseable answer.

[ogre]

Edit: Is CERN the people in that Dan Brown book, possibly 'Angels and Demons'?

Think so if it's where they've stabilised antimater in a vacuum and it got stolen and hidden in the vatican then yes.

[Extreme_biker0]

Why do we have to go delving into such small stuff. 5 bil just to crack open an atom.

Does it really matter that much. Does it hamper our exsistence should we not find out.

Meh, governments and scientist always trying to take it too far.

Should it work, i'd give it a few years until someones playing god.

You don't understand, so you shouldn't be saying ti shouldn't be built becasue it 'goes too far'.

The atom was already 'cracked', by a number of scientists culminating in Rutherfords description that has changed little to this day. This thing is designed to 'crack' protons, the things at the centre of atoms.

All that will happen is we will end up with a better description of what particles make up a proton, and the bosons that hold them together (yes, interestingly forces are particles too!).

Nobody will be playing god.

Before someone goes off on one saying that the miniture black holes that are created are dangerous, that is incorrect too. In fact, similar energy collisions are happening all the time createing these black holes already. High energy particles from space collide with the earth constantly (with energys in excess of those in the LHC).

[ogre]

if this works would it disprove the theory of god(or similar) creating the universe and therefore disproving (parts of)religions? or something along those lines

[T-BAD]

i'm not botherd about the fact there building this, its the fact that they don't care whats gonna happen if it goes wrong? 11,000 times a second its orbitin? then they smash it into each other? creating forces simalar to the big bang? that would blow the universe up!?

[Extreme_biker0]

if this works would it disprove the theory of god(or similar) creating the universe and therefore disproving (parts of)religions? or something along those lines

No. It will lead to a better description of the contents of the proton, as I already said.

In no religeon, as far as I know, is there a description of the contents of a proton, therefore there is nothing to kill these infidel scientists over.

If they have any sense though they'll stop reffering to the Higgs boson (for mass) as the god particle, to stop retards protesting about looking for it.

i'm not botherd about the fact there building this, its the fact that they don't care whats gonna happen if it goes wrong? 11,000 times a second its orbitin? then they smash it into each other? creating forces simalar to the big bang? that would blow the universe up!?

No, the energies of the particles are similar to the big bang. This takes into account the size of the particle though.

The actual energy of the collision will be less that the amount of energy of a snowflake hitting the floor. Much less. Fact.

Edited November 23, 2006 by Extreme_biker0

[yoyoyo]

You don't understand, so you shouldn't be saying ti shouldn't be built becasue it 'goes too far'.

The atom was already 'cracked', by a number of scientists culminating in Rutherfords description that has changed little to this day. This thing is designed to 'crack' protons, the things at the centre of atoms.

Damn right, thats the main reason im not very happy with it. That and the 78mil or whatever it is we donate a year.

I don't really know what they're on about, i don't know what will happen. It's human nature to be afraid of the unknown. But when even the scientists are saying they don't know what will happen, it is slightly worrying. As it is in my normal life i always worry about the worst thing possible, so that way it can only get better.

Atoms, protons. I knew what i meant.

[JT!]

creating forces simalar to the big bang? that would blow the universe up!?

They arn't creating forces similar to the big bang, they're creating forces with the same nature, just on a much smaller scale.

[munkee]

I remember going on a A-level physics trip to something like this.. smaller scale but was same type of thing. They were using it on milk beleive it or not because it has some weird properties they said and they were using it to do something to paint. Can you tell i wasnt listening?

"Britain pays £78million a year towards it and is the second biggest contributor after Germany."

Nice to see thats why our NHS is f**ked

[RicH_87]

so if it goes really really well, we can expect a proton bomb soon yeh?

i like the idea of pushing the boundries and what not, but as with everything, it'll probabaly end up in tears.

uninteresting fact: my uncle works/worked for CERN.

[Extreme_biker0]

so if it goes really really well, we can expect a proton bomb soon yeh?

i like the idea of pushing the boundries and what not, but as with everything, it'll probabaly end up in tears.

uninteresting fact: my uncle works/worked for CERN.

What's a proton bomb?

I'm guessing it's nothing more than a word you plucked from the article, but know little about, with 'bomb' written after it?

Edited November 23, 2006 by Extreme_biker0

[zoo]

F*CK....THAT!!!! Is all I've got to say,should the people of the world not have the decision to choose wether they want to die because a Proffesor Frink wannabe has been given lots and lots of dorrah,Pete wright has one of those big machines in his shed (sorry pete) Stuff like this scares me cause I'm only little.

zoo baby!

[munkee]

What's a proton bomb?

I'm guessing it's nothing more than a word you plucked from the article, but know little about, with 'bomb' written after it?

I was right in thinking you were born a willy.

[Extreme_biker0]

I was right in thinking you were born a willy.

Second biggest willy on the forum

Actually, I was trying to emphasise how people turn this into stuff it's not, by saying it will be used to create a totally dreamed up bomb.

Edited November 23, 2006 by Extreme_biker0

[poopipe]

Should it work, i'd give it a few years until someones playing god.

I've been playing god for years and it's never done me or anyone else any harm

anyway - it's nothing to get excited about, all they're doing is firing really small things into each other to see what happens when they collide. If you're going to worry about something scientific then you should be worrying about the experiments they've been doing with nuclear fusion .

[David]

CERN Is a project which has been going on for years. It basically involves looking at particles and particle acceleraters..thats what the massive pipe is for.

[Extreme_biker0]

I've been playing god for years and it's never done me or anyone else any harm

anyway - it's nothing to get excited about, all they're doing is firing really small things into each other to see what happens when they collide. If you're going to worry about something scientific then you should be worrying about the experiments they've been doing with nuclear fusion .

Agreed, although it is still not that dangerous. Not as dangerous as existing nuclear power anyway, and that's all over. That's becasue the fuel is hydrogen, which is not radioactive, as opposed to uranium, which is.

Anyway, it's worth the risk, becasue if this shit gets made it'll mean the end of global warming in 3 taps of your heels, and almost free energy. The implications would be huge.

[poopipe]

Agreed, although it is still not that dangerous. Not as dangerous as existing nuclear power anyway, and that's all over. That's becasue the fuel is hydrogen, which is not radioactive, as opposed to uranium, which is.

Anyway, it's worth the risk, becasue if this shit gets made it'll mean the end of global warming in 3 taps of your heels, and almost free energy. The implications would be huge.

indeed, but the prospect of a never ending explosion always puts the wind up the luddites and I love to watch em squirm

[yoyoyo]

If you're going to worry about something scientific then you should be worrying about the experiments they've been doing with nuclear fusion .

What you don't know can't hurt you.

With the whole bomb thing. It could well be a possibility.

You think the guy who started to think about splitting the atom thought it would be turned into the bomb it became.

I'm no scientist so that could have been exactly what he meant to do.

But what i'm trying to say is, in this day and age to have power you need the best weapon out there. Especially with peeps like bush, you never know how closely he could be watching this. Might even have his cronies working on theories to make it into a bomb.

And before anyone argues with me, all my posts after 22:00 deterioate,so if it doesn't make sense don't argue. Just smile at the fact i'm making a tit of myself.