MikeCottTrials Posted November 19, 2006 Report Share Posted November 19, 2006 ive done a search and didnt really turn anything up, so im wondering what do people with modified stocks think of them? any problems? the reason i ask is im sick of rear mechs and tensioners and i want to know if there is another way, a better way, a way not involving fannying around with mechs and a way i can try 180 pivots without worrying about my mech hanger. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RobinJI Posted November 19, 2006 Report Share Posted November 19, 2006 I have horizontals on my Iolo, and to be honest its perfect.I'm not so keen on the stock, mod thing purely because they went with a 116mm spacing, which doesn't make sense, it's a bigger wheel, it needs a bigger spoke base, so not being able to use a 135mm hub is pretty poor. If you like the look of the mk2 MKB T1000 then that seems amazing, its possibly the nicest looking frame I've seen in a long time, and uses horizontal dropouts and 135mm spacing, allowing you to run hope hubs or any other hub you want.The way I see it, every company makes a 135mm version of there 110mm hubs, but not all make a 110mm version of there 135mm hubs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaRtZ Posted November 19, 2006 Report Share Posted November 19, 2006 I'm not so keen on the stock, mod thing purely because they went with a 116mm spacing, Same, seems silly idea but then again it doesn't as deng will be able to sell more of his hubs now (unless you buy a king or profile)Definitly think horizontal dropouts are a good idea though. Or better yet, that design on the hoffman bike and fatmikes new jobby Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeCottTrials Posted November 20, 2006 Author Report Share Posted November 20, 2006 good points, it does annoy me that i would have to use 110mm hubs, think i might wait and see if anymore horizontal dropout frames come out with 135mm spacing then think about making the change.just got back in anf my rear mech is still giving me hassle though so il have to just struggle on Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ben_travis Posted November 20, 2006 Report Share Posted November 20, 2006 I have horizontals on my Iolo, and to be honest its perfect.I'm not so keen on the stock, mod thing purely because they went with a 116mm spacing, which doesn't make sense, it's a bigger wheel, it needs a bigger spoke base, so not being able to use a 135mm hub is pretty poor. If you like the look of the mk2 MKB T1000 then that seems amazing, its possibly the nicest looking frame I've seen in a long time, and uses horizontal dropouts and 135mm spacing, allowing you to run hope hubs or any other hub you want.The way I see it, every company makes a 135mm version of there 110mm hubs, but not all make a 110mm version of there 135mm hubs.the spoke base on my adamant hub is wider than that of standard 135mm hubs. eg chris king, the hub of choice for most riders. it has a wider spoke base, less leverage on the axle because its shorter. only thing 135 is bettter for is that it means you can run gears, BUT UCI comps (incase you ride them) allow singlespeed set up now, also most comps in the UK allow singlespeed set up unless in very top categoriesso other than the fact you would have to buy a new hub, what is so annoying about it? or is everyone just pissed off that deng tried something new? you could always do what tunni did and cut ur king axle to fit the frame Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeCottTrials Posted November 20, 2006 Author Report Share Posted November 20, 2006 what is so annoying about it? or is everyone just pissed off that deng tried something new? you could always do what tunni did and cut ur king axle to fit the frame to be honest the main thing thats stopping me get one is that its the first generation of these frames so that says to me theres probably flaws that havent been worked out yet, i need a new hub and apparently (according to chris an damon) the wheel moves forward if you give it some pasty Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eskimo Posted November 20, 2006 Report Share Posted November 20, 2006 to be honest the main thing thats stopping me get one is that its the first generation of these frames so that says to me theres probably flaws that havent been worked out yet, i need a new hub and apparently (according to chris an damon) the wheel moves forward if you give it some pasty The thing stopping me is that i have no money. But as for the wheel movement thing, chain tensioners should work. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orgun_Donor Posted November 20, 2006 Report Share Posted November 20, 2006 Well ive been riding my holroyd for a while not had any problems since i went to a FFW(ENO). Ive destroyed 2 24seven hubs, and 2 profile mini cassette hubs. Never had a problem with my profile BMX tensioners. And wheel are just as stong as any other 26" wheel.In all fairness i havent tried a deng hub, got to annoyed with the other hubs failing i went for a ENO. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RobinJI Posted November 20, 2006 Report Share Posted November 20, 2006 the spoke base on my adamant hub is wider than that of standard 135mm hubs. eg chris king, the hub of choice for most riders. it has a wider spoke base, less leverage on the axle because its shorter. only thing 135 is bettter for is that it means you can run gears, BUT UCI comps (incase you ride them) allow singlespeed set up now, also most comps in the UK allow singlespeed set up unless in very top categoriesso other than the fact you would have to buy a new hub, what is so annoying about it? or is everyone just pissed off that deng tried something new? you could always do what tunni did and cut ur king axle to fit the frame I'm talking about singlespeed hubs not geered ones, so the spoke base is much wider than a standard hub, and most people will agree that there is a noticable difference in strength between wheels built with SS and geered hubs. I'm not sayign that the frames are bad, just that more and more people are using 135mm singlespeed hubs, and it would be nicer to have 135mm spacing as it seems a better set up than a 116mm hub. Also the stress on the axel is very maginaly larger but because the bearings should still be the same distance from the dropout its really not much of a difference.Another concirn is the chainline, as 26" frames stays are so short now the chainring normaly ends up thurther out needing a wider chainline on the hub, which a 116mm hub cant offer. Obviosly there are exceptions to all of these things, its just that its nice to have a standard size, and if you are going to have one, then it needs to be one thats going to work with most setups. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ben_travis Posted November 20, 2006 Report Share Posted November 20, 2006 deng makes the new 07 frames in 135mm spacing though. so whats the problem?go on www.tartybikes.co.uk and its there, available for everyones pleasuredamon and chris dont own 116 horizontal dropout frames? and they havent experienced it. Maybe tunnis, but the difference is that the power they put through is so much different. the one problem i have with the adamant hubs is 5mm bolts. they need to be big monsters like king or profile. get an 8mm allen key in there and boooooomf. wont be a problemcould always take a look at the bodge i did for horizontal dropouts? in the bikes pics forum Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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