Mbuk Has Achieved New Heights....

[trialsguru]

why don't you all sort out an English style Koxx days style event or something on those lines.

that would amazing, koxx days 06 was mad, what with the camp fire and local pizza run etc haha

bring it on!

[Mr_Pitbull]

Can some one just clarify what this thread was about! im not taking the piss either i really dont know.

Edited November 20, 2006 by Mr_Pitbull

[James_Porter]

i have read through this topic a couple of times now and i really dont know what anyone is trying to get at?!??!?!

all i can say is bring back the old days when everyone had pictures of insanio waynio above there bed... people checked the tk website every hour to see if there was a new vid... pete wright was a member... everyone wanted a curtis... mart, ashton, akrigg and eddy were gods, still are but you know...slinger was 13, there were 600 members of this forum AND trials was so much more fun.

everyone GET BACK.

[Christophe']

i have read through this topic a couple of times now and i really dont know what anyone is trying to get at?!??!?!

all i can say is bring back the old days when everyone had pictures of insanio waynio above there bed... people checked the tk website every hour to see if there was a new vid... pete wright was a member... everyone wanted a curtis... mart, ashton, akrigg and eddy were gods, still are but you know...slinger was 13, there were 600 members of this forum AND trials was so much more fun.

everyone GET BACK.

Hey James!

Back then was cool!

But "now" is even better!

ive had 10 percent warning for ages,,,,,i cant even remember why?

xx

Cool rides will never stop happening.

Edited November 20, 2006 by VillageDave

[Krisboats]

Hey James!

Back then was cool!

But "now" is even better!

ive had 10 percent warning for ages,,,,,i cant even remember why?

xx

Cool rides will never stop happening.

Click on it and it tells you

[Waynio]

im still back there porter

and also, alot of that article is lies, saying that mountain bike riers are jerky, hop heavy and old school.

i think joe, im not 100% sure but he was saying that, that was the "old" style of 26" trials the NEW style is new flowy stuff as it is being ridden nower days. nowt to do with jerky etc etc. il re read it, but i THINK it means that and not that 26" is jerky and boring to watch.

Spacemunkee - when you have half the idea and can write things and do things for important poeple apart from yourself then try offend me, cos personally i dont take anything in off this forum any more, like porter has said, its much better how it used to be. if you wanna see HOW FUN trials is, come up shipley glen with all the locals from yorkshire, no bitching, no fighting, no slanging matches, no "i can do higher than you" malarky. its all about getting on your bike and having a laugh. oh and then prove to me the point of this thread, as i KNOW 99% its what i write below.

Porter give us a bell at the shop at some point, we'll arrange a ride darn in porthcawl, Ben has been in touch and wants to do summit. should be about tomoz too.

Joe tell porter and everyone what you was aiming the topic at?i thought it was aimed at MBUK having a go @ Mr Butler and Onza? as there was a letter sent into MBUK, the letter won the chap a £90.00 Xen helmet, mentioned no names apart from the following:

"Hi i recently attended the Cycle show in london. There were plenty of bicycles as one would expect. However, in one corner there was an arena populated by young men in garish clothes attempting to manouvre their cycles over the kind of obstacles you would never find on the A11. Mostly they kept falling off - an occurence that i am sure was unscheduled. The net result resembled a circus with amateur clowns. If this is what is meant by "mountain biking" then i assure you i want no part of it (puts on anorak and sturdy boots, tops up thermos, mounts sit up and beg raleigh. Pedals off)"

Brian Walker, London

that has a go at the RIDERS not the organisers, if you ask me. THIS is the article that has caused upset amongst a small community and a small number of people. WHY? there is no reason. can anyone see the light yet?????

Waynio..........................

[Tony Harrison]

The letter just seems to have been written by a 55 year old roadie with no appreciation of anything new or different.

Personally I'd never find that offensive. It's easy... just be happy with what you do and enjoy it. If someone else says its wrong, bent or anything else, why even listen? That's the trouble, too many people trying to do what they think they should be doing rather than what they like.

Who gives a shit what the Martins are saying? It's their opinion, and I dare say they've earned the right to voice it in MBUK.

[Heatsink]

The letter just seems to have been written by a 55 year old roadie with no appreciation of anything new or different.

Personally I'd never find that offensive. It's easy... just be happy with what you do and enjoy it. If someone else says its wrong, bent or anything else, why even listen? That's the trouble, too many people trying to do what they think they should be doing rather than what they like.

^ Word

I think it's good that we're getting opinions being voiced in MBUK, direct from riders. It makes for interesting reading and reflection. A sport like trials with so much scope for development into the mainstream needs to contine to look at it's self so that it can evolve with the aim (I guess) of being shared with a wider audience. Hopefully what riders find enjoyable converges with what the public do too, so we'll be onto a winner. The more people constructively adding to the debate the better, and top level riders have a very valuable perspective to add.

Mr Peacock (Robbie's Dad) is spot on with his post. On the internet, feathers can get ruffled and a whole lot of bother and strained friendships can result from throw away remarks and heated exchanges perserved. After all this internet time, we need a big "Get to know them" session where everyone can meet and ride together in person, remember who people really are

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Steve

[poopipe]

am I the only one who thought the letter was funny then ?

[Brian Bleech]

In my book techy stuff, spins and manuals aren’t trials, and neither are comps, natural, street, UCU, BIU or TGS… All these thing and more are trials.

I see trials having many similarities to bmx. In bmx there are different types of riding street, park, vert, dirt, flatland and racing, but they all fall under the umbrella of bmx and enough there are many types they seem to present more of a united front than trials.

On the subject on comps, if trials is too become more mainstream traditional comps on the side hill aren’t the way forward to get more spectators. The sad fact is The Bike Battle in Nottingham, probably had more spectators than all the Tykes, YMSA, Brits, etc put together for the last two years. Demo’s are great and all the people who ride demos deserve so much respect for putting in so much effort into there demos. Lewis in Leeds is doing a demo outside a club in Leeds and if that goes well he will get to do a demo inside the biggest club in Leeds, on stage! Which is awesome for trials!

Also I think it would be a great idea to get trials at other big MTB events, the fort William guys did a great job and bar that one guy in mbuk it sounds like the cycle show in London was a big success. But either running some demos or one off comps at big xc/DH events (nationals, 24hr events) would probably be a big success.

/\/\ - I am not saying comps are crap or trying to put down all the people that put in a fantastic effort to put on the comp. Just saying maybe its time to try and take some of these comps to the people.

I haven’t read this interview yet, went to Borders/WHSmiths at lunch and it wasn’t in - but Martin has been involve in trials something like a million years and his opinion is important and he has done so much for the sport. Also about the whole ‘chav trials’ issue, I don’t judge another rider if they are wearing trackie or not and I know (and like) many riders who choose to wear trackies that aren’t chavs, but I will never wear trackies for riding in, because I don’t want the public to think I am a chav or for them to think that trials is another way of getting an ASBO for chav w**kers.

And again, mbuk say trhat he is at the top level of trials riding. not trying to be nasty here, but he just doesnt know the level. i dont know the level, personally i dont think anyone knows the level.

can anyone tell me what the UNOFFICIAL sidehop record is, or the UNOFFICIAL hook/slap record is?

no, because it is always changing, and someone could be beating it right now.

This comment is odd. Danny Holyrod has a 6 page spread in the biggest MTB mag in the UK and a signature frame/bike that sounds like being at the top of the game to me…

Also take a look at someone like Ali C , but Ali is a great rider and is sponsored by the biggest trials shop in the UK as well as Ashton and he won a world round this year, but he doesn’t have the biggest sidehop, tap , etc… what I am trying to say is size isn’t everything and every bloke should know that phrase, shouldn’t they?

Anyhow, reading through this topic and all the different opinions that are flying about! It’s pretty obvious that people passionate and care about the future of trials, which is great!

[dave85]

am I the only one who thought the letter was funny then ?

Nope, its hilarious. Wish I could schedule my stacks

[poopipe]

Nope, its hilarious. Wish I could schedule my stacks

good good.

I think certain people are taking this all far too seriously - who really gives a shit what a shabby rag like MBUK or some old boy says or whether scally kids are getting into trials bikes for fashion purposes?

It won't stop me riding - the weather is doing a fine job of that.

[Sam Oliver]

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[Ducko]

its quiet funny,

people want trials to get bigger better more popular etc and the people that want that are now saying that the forum was better years ago?

i agree that a while back there were less arguments and the sort but now there are more people and more clashes in opinion and so on but if trials is gettin bigger more people will join TF,

believe it or not i have been using this forum for years now except my old account got deleted a few years back when TF went down

i agree with joe mostly about his first post,

but i do think that people should ride anyway they want and i guess respect other peoples areas i.e comps.

much love

craig

[ben_travis]

why do you all bring up that as onza boy mark puts it TGS (tap gap sidehop), ur all saying trials is about having fun, but people are saying TGS is boring and blah. THAT IS WHAT SOME PEOPLE ENJOY DOING FOR FUN.

i dont mean to be rude, but has anyone actually watched any of damons vids properly or tunnis or CLS's, and realised what they can do on a bike is amazing? yes its TGS riding, but nevertheless amazing.

have u watched boon riding in his videos? how do you spin so easily? how does he manuel so and gap so smooth? its amazing. yes is bmx on a mtb almost, with some trials added in, but nevertheless amazing.

ride how the fecking hell you want to ride and stop complaining about boring riding? sometimes i do think that many say that its boring because a) trying to be individual and being slightly jealous?

this topic is shit

[anzo]

Personally, I wouldn't really be that bothered what you read in MBUK...popularity=f**k all.

Think about it, the only people who buy that magazine are already into bikes...majority of them I'd say were into downhill, they're not going to flick to the trials page (literally) and go...'oh...f**king ell...lets buy a trials bike'.

Don't read the downhill riders interviews with their sterotypical views on trials? I'm guessing you do...but again, their opinion, just like yours....nothing will change it.

So...MBUK, waste of time, no new people to mould or enspire.

I used to do motorcycle trials, and we had the exact same state of affairs. Joe Average doesn't find standing in a freezing field fun...and they never will. Be thankful you dont have the hippys at DEFRA on your back complaining about noise, pollution and damaging the countryside.

Its a sport, do it because you enjoy it. Its almost certain about 80% of this forum wont be riding in 5 or 6 years time. They grow out of it, get higher priorities in life or discover what a cock is for so theres no point in bitching about it all...just freaking ride and enjoy it.

And Joe, about Trials revolving around TF...think about it. It pretty much does in the UK.

How many friends have you gained (or lost ,lol) thanks to Trials Forum? Organised rides, learnt about new bikes, in contact with some of the best riders in the country, sound advice ect.

Its a pretty basic idea with a massive impact, and that impact is way bigger than any magazine, DVD or demo. Think how many people do to London for the weekend and see god knows how many people pissing about on some wall...which otherwise wouldn't have happened if it weren't for TF?

TF has more power than you think.

[Rich Pearson]

Seeing as I and a couple of others are going to considerable effort to put a comp on soon that a whole lot of you will be attending, and hopefully a lot of the public will be spectating at, I kind of feel the need to have my say on this and have the right to be heard.

1st: Joe, Wayne and anyone else who feels the need to "make this personal" have issues that can be discussed outside of the trials world, but here you can leave it out. Your opinions ARE your opinions and you are entitled to them, but calling people a bunch of wankers is hardly a conclusive argument point. I have met both of you before and know that you're two of the nicest guys I've ever met, so theres really no need.

2nd: There are pro's and cons for every argument, and to some exent I agree with Joe, and to some extent I don't. As irrellevant as they are, my personal feelings towards MBUK and the Marty/ins are of very low esteem concerning trials. I'll wear what I want to wear and if you don't like it, you have no right to tell me not to, no matter if you are the people that got me into this sport and taught me most of what I know today. Trials and MTB in general used to be about being free; where has that spirit gone? "Who needs a reason when you've got a mountain bike?" Martin may feel that riding demo's brings him more revenue and gets trials seen more, but on the flip side, the whole damn universe can get into bike trials before the suits in government or any other position of authority start to take any notice, which is where consistant, well organised comps, with regular attendance and firm organisation comes into play. As comps and the organisations that run them begin to flourish, so will the money that people are ready to put into it. Why do you think mototrials is such a bigger sport? Because almost EVERY mototrials rider rides comps.

You can have your opinions and bicker all you like, point fingers and rant at minor points; I havn't read MBUK this month so couldn't comment on the articles in question, but the important thing is TRIALS, not THIS part of Trials or THAT part of trials.

I'd love to see a whole lot of you down at Exeter on the 9th, to come and have fun, to do what we love, and if everybody has no seat and wears tracksuit's, fine, if people are wearing skate shoes and have 100mm forks, fine. Just enjoy the sport, because the way a lot of people are going about it, its US that are killing trials.

Rich

[Luke Rainbird]

Amen

[robster]

Would somebody close this topic before we totally kill our sport please. !

[munkee]

Would somebody close this topic before we totally kill our sport please. !

I want to punch you.

by vince i assume you mean vincent hermance? he has been riding for years! i think even before the days of the trials kings. trials didnt start when cls or neil t started! and yes im fed up with this topic/area of disscussion, trials is shit at the moment im sick of riding with people that have to know about the latest "in" vid or deng part etc and im so bored of watching people sidehop walls its untrue!

comps are cool, street is cool. end. its all trials

Yea.. my post really didnt require a reply on his history though did it. If you are fed up dont read or dont reply? Trials is shit yet its all cool? ok... Sounds like you have a problem with the people you ride with, maybe you need to address that. The angry thread is in chit chat.

[Ali C]

I want to punch you.

no neeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeed!!

[munkee]

no neeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeed!!

i was JOKING!!!!!!!!!!

[PaRtZ]

looking back, the people who are inspiring the next generation of riders, were inspired by trials kings and such like. I never got round to seeing trials kings, I was "brought up" with trials ride (martin walker from aberystwyth) and I guess his old school-ish techniques were what got me going.

Im going to ride like he did, because if it inspired me, then maybe I can inspire others like me, who aren't overly impressed with the 200 ft gaps?

Based on that ^^ I don't think old ways will die out and we'll always have old ways, its just they may become overcrowded with newer ways if that makes sense

[Ali C]

i was JOKING!!!!!!!!!!

put a joking smiley next time so idiots like me understand :$

[Christophe']

Does anyone think this would work?

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Might try a proper build if the feedback is good