Mbuk Has Achieved New Heights....

[oakley]

hello boys,

after opening this months mbuk, i was very surprised to see a nice topic about the butlers!!

(by the way very well done to who ever wrote that article.)

BUT was later shocked after reading the supposed 'star letter, i believe that, that guy is very single minded and i believe that if he was into bikes, he would appreciate all aspects of 'mountain biking'. TOSSER!

and i would also like to point out that there was more good riding being done in that arena than there was crashing.

secondly, mr martyn hawyes, the guy who is meant to be pushing trials riding and making it as big as possible, and make new young riders want to ride comps, then why is he writing articles saying things like

"i've not competed at all this year, preffering to perform shows for lots of dif people from a marketing and sponsor pleasing perspective, this is more beneficial than riding in a wood with no spectators."

i believe that this is giving the competition side of trials a bad name, and is very disrespectful to the hard working clubs and also biketrial uk. i thought that mart was meant to be pushing the sport to be as big as possible, and any kids that read his article are gonna think comps are complete balls. this isn't promoting comps at all (cheers mart )

also....

according to martyn aswell, children are going to start riding trials because we are all in fashion and dress smart to ride in etc and not because they are impressed with our riding. I dont see what he thinks is wrong with riding in trackies, they are comfy and practical. AND most riders at the british nationals are actually wearing their nice blue british team kit, yet you are describing them as 'chavs'. so basically you are saying that if you wear trackie then you are likely to be recieving an asbo sometime soon.

P.S: i also would like to add that mr ashton also called us trials riders wearing traackies chavs, is there a connection here?

from re-reading your interview a few times, i also noticed you say that the two most professional riders in the country, who i know to wear trackies to ride in, both at national and international levels.! Making them the only chavs in the country to not be on the doll.

After reading further through the mag, i also noticed the lovely SIX page article on danny holroyd, also saying that comps are not the way forward and we should all start riding bmx on trials bikes.

He says that all mountain bikers are 'heavy, 'jerky' and old school'. not bad for some one who hasn't even rode or attended a trial for a good 4 years.

it also says that "riders like danny holroyd are taking trials riding away from comps", this is possibly the biggest amount of bollocks i have ever heard. the comp scene is bigger than ever in europe atm.

And he goes on to boast about the fact he has never won anything (claim to fame) but still believes he is at the top level. lol

They (again) go on to say that comps are not exciting and are boring.

P.S: mart i am sure that you have to have your legs fully protected at a national event, and i thought woods were crap, with no spectatots watching, whats the point!!!

Anyway mart, i thought you had quit?

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Edited November 17, 2006 by oakley

[Ali C]

I am keeping out of this topic!!!.........

......oops

[Si-man]

it is a fashion accessory now.

Look at all the se little kids that ask 'mummy' for a trials bike and just use them as a normal bike

[munkee]

it is a fashion accessory now.

Look at all the se little kids that ask 'mummy' for a trials bike and just use them as a normal bike

You sure about that.

[Si-man]

You sure about that.

yep.

Loads of kids ride about here on their base mods and never actually do anything on them

[dave85]

"i've not competed at all this year, preffering to perform shows for lots of dif people from a marketing and sponsor pleasing perspective, this is more beneficial than riding in a wood with no spectators"

Thats not giving the comp side a bad name, thats just being practical. He can do a far better job of marketing trials to the layman if he's in a city centre rather than a muddy field in the middle of nowhere.

Danny may well be at a high level in whatever he chooses to do, simply because it cant be quantified in points doesnt discredit him.

Theyve both done their jobs, provoked thought, that's what keeps trials evolving.

[T-BAD]

i don't see what the big fuss is about?

just ride, it only matters what you think and NOT what others think...

[Mr_Pitbull]

Danny H still rides! was down there a lot when craig lodged with him.

[JT!]

Loads of kids ride about here on their base mods and never actually do anything on them

So...?

It all sounds a bit dodgy to me. I'd have to read the article befor making any judgements.

[Krisboats]

hello boys,

after opening this months mbuk, i was very surprised to see a nice topic about the butlers!!

(by the way very well done to who ever wrote that article.)

BUT was later shocked after reading the supposed 'star letter, i believe that, that guy is very single minded and i believe that if he was into bikes, he would appreciate all aspects of 'mountain biking'. TOSSER!

and i would also like to point out that there was more good riding being done in that arena than there was crashing.

secondly, mr martyn hawyes, the guy who is meant to be pushing trials riding and making it as big as possible, and make new young riders want to ride comps, then why is he writing articles saying things like

"i've not competed at all this year, preffering to perform shows for lots of dif people from a marketing and sponsor pleasing perspective, this is more beneficial than riding in a wood with no spectators."

i believe that this is giving the competition side of trials a bad name, and is very disrespectful to the hard working clubs and also biketrial uk. i thought that mart was meant to be pushing the sport to be as big as possible, and any kids that read his article are gonna think comps are complete balls. this isn't promoting comps at all (cheers mart )

also....

according to martyn aswell, children are going to start riding trials because we are all in fashion and dress smart to ride in etc and not because they are impressed with our riding. I dont see what he thinks is wrong with riding in trackies, they are comfy and practical. AND most riders at the british nationals are actually wearing their nice blue british team kit, yet you are describing them as 'chavs'. so basically you are saying that if you wear trackie then you are likely to be recieving an asbo sometime soon.

P.S: i also would like to add that mr ashton also called us trials riders wearing traackies chavs, is there a connection here?

from re-reading your interview a few times, i also noticed you say that the two most professional riders in the country, who i know to wear trackies to ride in, both at national and international levels.! Making them the only chavs in the country to not be on the doll.

After reading further through the mag, i also noticed the lovely SIX page article on danny holroyd, also saying that comps are not the way forward and we should all start riding bmx on trials bikes.

He says that all mountain bikers are 'heavy, 'jerky' and old school'. not bad for some one who hasn't even rode or attended a trial for a good 4 years.

it also says that "riders like danny holroyd are taking trials riding away from comps", this is possibly the biggest amount of bollocks i have ever heard. the comp scene is bigger than ever in europe atm.

And he goes on to boast about the fact he has never won anything (claim to fame) but still believes he is at the top level. lol

They (again) go on to say that comps are not exciting and are boring.

P.S: mart i am sure that you have to have your legs fully protected at a national event, and i thought woods were crap, with no spectatots watching, whats the point!!!

Anyway mart, i thought you had quit?

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Mountain bikers are heavy jerky and old-school, i don't see what your problem is. If he meant mountain bike trials he'd have said that, but i reckon he's trying to say mountain bike STREET riders, as in with sus forks and stuff. I may be wrong, i may not, but having not read the article and having only what you've written to go on thats the way it comes across to me.

As to being a top level rider... how many trials riders get frequent coverage and full articles in a national/going worldwide magazine? Yes, he's one of them. Again i think it just depends on how you interpret what he's said, maybe he didn't mean a top level rider in the sense of being the furthest gapper/highest tapper and all that shit, maybe he meant as in being a top level rider in a coverage/limelight sense.

And if danny's not riding comps only street, then effectively he is taking trials riding away from comps. Maybe not by a lot but the fact he doesnt compete anymore and makes a living riding street and making signature frames means that other people may follow his example... taking them away from the comp route. Again, if you re-read it it doesnt single danny out as doing it, he says riders LIKE danny. So combine them all together and you get a bunch of people not entering comps anymore and still leading a fun life, this bunch of people are almost definately going to influence the way some people view the sport and they'll think why should they bother with comps either.

As to the trackies, i couldn't care less. Theres no definitive way of dressing for riding trials in public, so who's to say one persons way is better than the other... wear what you wanna wear, simple as. I just go for practical/comfort clothing myself.

Edited November 17, 2006 by Krisboats

[MikeCottTrials]

danny holroyd is definitely a decent rider but hes hardly at the top level in fact id say distinctly average for the amount of time hes been riding his section on the recent dvd that came out on mbuk was bordering on pathetic and ive had enough of seeing him 360 into lakes to last me an entire crap break/hernia

[Bucky]

get off the f****king pc and go ride.

[MikeCottTrials]

get off the f****king pc and go ride.

half 12 im off to bed in a minute

[JT!]

get off the f****king pc and go ride.

Bit dark.

[Clarky]

yep.

Loads of kids ride about here on their base mods and never actually do anything on them

thats right either that or a shogun gimp in horrible purple yuk!

[Bucky]

half 12 im off to bed in a minute

Bit dark.

poor excuses. lol

u know what i meant.

[Mark W]

secondly, mr martyn hawyes, the guy who is meant to be pushing trials riding and making it as big as possible, and make new young riders want to ride comps, then why is he writing articles saying things like

"i've not competed at all this year, preffering to perform shows for lots of dif people from a marketing and sponsor pleasing perspective, this is more beneficial than riding in a wood with no spectators."

i believe that this is giving the competition side of trials a bad name, and is very disrespectful to the hard working clubs and also biketrial uk. i thought that mart was meant to be pushing the sport to be as big as possible, and any kids that read his article are gonna think comps are complete balls. this isn't promoting comps at all (cheers mart )

Bearing in mind Martin was Biketrial ambassador for the UK, and is still known throughout the world as a sound guy who's helping to push biketrials in the UK forward, did you actually think for one second before you wrote that part? He's a sponsored rider who is asked to do shows. I'm willing to bet that more people spectate at one of his demos than at a round of the nationals. Not only that, more people who wouldn't have had access to trials before will have seen it. How many people do you think would think "Ooh yeah, I'll drive over to Addingham Moorside of a Sunday to see something called 'biketrials'", compared to amount that'd see some guy hopping on some rails or hopping on a demo rig in, say, a shopping centre or at the opening of a shop? He's promoting trials way more than you are by just riding comps and talking shit on here. Martin Hawyes and Martyn Ashton are the reason that many, many people on here are actually riding trials now anyway, just due to Tricks and Stunts and the countless articles they've done for MBUK. He's not shit-talking comps here by saying he gets trials out to a wider audience by riding demos, he's stating a bloody obvious fact.

according to martyn aswell, children are going to start riding trials because we are all in fashion and dress smart to ride in etc and not because they are impressed with our riding. I dont see what he thinks is wrong with riding in trackies, they are comfy and practical. AND most riders at the british nationals are actually wearing their nice blue british team kit, yet you are describing them as 'chavs'. so basically you are saying that if you wear trackie then you are likely to be recieving an asbo sometime soon.

There's a difference between people riding in tracksuits in a comp to people in tracksuits who are being twats outside your local McDonalds, yeah? So far, out of the attempts people have made to try and steal my bike, surprisingly they were all done by people in tracksuits. All the people who've tried to start fights with me have been wearing tracksuits. All the people I've witnessed start fights with other people have been in tracksuits. All the people I've seen stealing various items have been in tracksuits ('cept for the well-dressed black guy trying to steal a BMW...). The stereotypical chav image of tracksuits is there for a reason, Joe. Yes, they're comfortable to ride in for you (I personally hate riding in them), but for the mainstream UK, they are going to think of them as being typical chav wear. I haven't read the article so I can't really comment on what Martyn was saying, but he's right in that tracksuits are stereotypical chav gear. I'm not saying that everyone who wears tracksuits are chavs, but 99% of chavs wear them.

After reading further through the mag, i also noticed the lovely SIX page article on danny holroyd, also saying that comps are not the way forward and we should all start riding bmx on trials bikes.

He says that all mountain bikers are 'heavy, 'jerky' and old school'. not bad for some one who hasn't even rode or attended a trial for a good 4 years.

As I've written down there to Mike, Danny's influence on trials in the UK has been huge. He's also gotten a lot more people interested in trials by being in things like MBUK and in their various videos. Tell me Joe, how many multiple-page articles, DVD-features and interviews have comp riders had in MBUK in the last few years? Not many. There'll be the occassional mini-interview thing in Hip-Hop and maybe some comp coverage, but the vast majority of people in MBUK who are getting the coverage that trials needs are street riders. Most new trials riders also start off riding street. Connection? Either way, Danny's opinion is that street trials is his favourite thing to do, and that in his opinion it's better than comp riding. He may not have "rode or attended a trial for a good 4 years" (even though I thought he entered one relatively recently?), but he's still pretty big in the UK trials scene. He doesn't release videos every month, but the impact the Trialskings had can still be felt if you look at any of the videos out there. The documentation of his riding has done more to change trials and affect the way it's going in the UK than you riding through a section. I don't really get what you're talking about with him saying "all mountain bikers are 'heavy', 'jerky' and 'old school' because you haven't really explained it at all...

it also says that "riders like danny holroyd are taking trials riding away from comps", this is possibly the biggest amount of bollocks i have ever heard. the comp scene is bigger than ever in europe atm.

And the street trials scene is still dominant? I doubt you'll find any trials riders in the UK who don't ride street at all. Compare that to the amount that don't ride comps at all. The entries may be up in the Euro scene, but street is still bigger by far, and seems to be pushing trials technique too.

And he goes on to boast about the fact he has never won anything (claim to fame) but still believes he is at the top level. lol

He's probably just making the point that he isn't some big name comp rider, but he's still got himself into an enviable position as one of the most talked about trials riders and street riders in the UK, not just in the trials scene but in other disciplines as well due to his high level of magazine coverage?

They (again) go on to say that comps are not exciting and are boring.

They'd be pretty accurate with that? Competitions like the Red Bull Bike Battle in Nottingham back in 2003 drew huge crowds and got a very positive response from the public because people liked the fact it was more dramatic. For the general public, street IS more interesting and exciting than seeing people ride natural. If you're a rider you can appreciate the technicality of someone riding through some river or whatever's in the section, but that isn't how the general public see it. Any time you go out street riding, if you do a move you'll get interest from people, but even after I've done a big up to backwheel, I'll still get people going "How far can you wheelie?" and shit like that. At demos, people are more impressed by big drops and nose hops than a technical rail line or similar. It's just how it's viewed. The fact that it's a bitch to actually properly watch a comp and see all of the riding is another problem too. It's the equivalent of having a football match played over 7 or 8 different pitches at once. At a trial, you're always missing something simply because it'll be spread out over a huge area. You'll see one of the top riders every now and again, but comps just don't work as a spectator sport. Notice how the artificial sections near built-up areas in the UCI comps attract huge audiences, but the spread-out natural sections in the middle of nowhere don't? It's just how it works.

P.S: mart i am sure that you have to have your legs fully protected at a national event, and i thought woods were crap, with no spectatots watching, whats the point!!!

What?

Anyway mart, i thought you had quit?

How many times have you been a high-up member of the Biketrial UK committee, Joe? How many times have you been an ambassador for the UK? How many hours have you put into promoting trials in the UK? How many hours have you put in on demos and driving around the country to promote trials? How many full-length instructional trials DVDs have you made Joe? He's done more to help trials out in the UK than you'll ever do if you continue to just piss people off on the internet.

danny holroyd is definitely a decent rider but hes hardly at the top level in fact id say distinctly average for the amount of time hes been riding his section on the recent dvd that came out on mbuk was bordering on pathetic and ive had enough of seeing him 360 into lakes to last me an entire crap break/hernia

Judging from your joining date you weren't around when the Trialskings were at the peak of their fame. Download Toxicity, Otherside, HD-1 (I think it was called), and all the old Trialskings videos (should be available at OTN). They were doing all the cool street stuff people are doing now 3 years ago. They stepped riding up in the UK and as a result of their riding, street became huge and spawned the current, world-reknowned street scene we have in the UK. What I'm getting at is don't give Danny Holroyd shit because some turd MBUK video (have they ever been good?) just had the usual shit lake jump stuff. Seriously, you have no idea how good Danny Holroyd is.

You all may want to bear in mind that MBUK are going to be controversial to get more readers and get more talked about, and that editors can completely change how a person's portrayed...

[Waynio]

joe doesnt read before he writes.....

he doesnt even think before he speaks.......

if you had half of a brain you would have read my thread about it anyway, iv not seen anything on the Butler front where abouts is that..................

like bucky said...............do what it says. even if it is 11.30 at night get some high powered lights like iv done

its too obvious that there is going to be a problem month in month out with people agreeing or not agreeing on somethings that go in MBUK. Its too hard to say something on here without people saying "you can only say it behind a computer screen" but trials just got pathetic this and last year!!!! P!55 P00R if you ask me. all this petty bollox.

F**KING GROW UP YOU SELF CENTRED WA*K*RS!!!!!!

all publicity is good publicity eh?

Waynio............................

EDIT: read MBUK letter section: OH DEAR!!!!! i do seem to remember saying though. the cycle show is an event to SHOW OFF trials not make people look stupid!!!! falling off is NOT the part of trials people WISH to see. its simple and that letter proves it.

Still havent found the bit about the butlers or is that article it?

Edited November 18, 2006 by Waynio

[boon racoon]

kicked up quite a fuss for the waste of time magazine everyone always calls it.

got this today. i pretty much agree with all of it but then i guess i'm an old timer and i always dress to impress

[oakley]

joe doesnt read before he writes.....

he doesnt even think before he speaks.......

if you had half of a brain you would have read my thread about it anyway, iv not seen anything on the Butler front where abouts is that..................

all publicity is good publicity eh?

Joe does read before he writes.

Joe does think before he speaks.

Thats just making it personal now wayne, and that aint a good thing, i dont wanna get personal, its my f**king opinion, so bolloks.

How many times have you been a high-up member of the Biketrial UK committee, Joe? How many times have you been an ambassador for the UK? How many hours have you put into promoting trials in the UK? How many hours have you put in on demos and driving around the country to promote trials? How many full-length instructional trials DVDs have you made Joe? He's done more to help trials out in the UK than you'll ever do if you continue to just piss people off on the internet.

RIGHT, I AM NOT SAYING THAT HE HASNT DONE ALOT, I AM NOT SAYING HE HASN'T PROMOTED TRIALS.

and by the 'anyway mart, thought you had quit' quote, that is because last year he announced that he had stopped riding trials! and thats second hand info, dont go shouting at me!

and to answer you questions mark, i havent been a high up member of the comitee mark, but that is because i am currently busy riding the comps mark, you know, the ones that are wank in a field with no spectators mark.

i havent been an ammbassador for the uk mark, and never want to be either mark. but i have been pushing the uk UCI comp scene at many world cups this year, with only 2 or 3 people attending from the uk

for the past week, i have been riding at the dirt bike show, at stoneleigh, a four day show with too much other work involved,, that makes a lot more than 168 hours worth of demo'ing and organising, and more than 12 hours worth of driving in the past week also, so doing demos infront of dirt bike fans with there young kids isnt promoting the sport to a younger age group mark? no?

and mark, instructional dvd question, ok when your starting there good to watch, but personally would never use my time to prduce one!

and im not saying that he hasnt done alot!

AND if i piss people off on the internet i am never gonna make it. so the world of trials now revolves arouind this f**king forum, thats full of arguments, then f**k me, im knackered, my aswell nip downstairs and sort me self out with the bread knife now ant a mark?

ONE cracking example of a person who pissed off the whole of the uk, and got banned from biu, FOR NO REASON may i add, is danny butler. if you think that if i piss people off im done then why the f**king bollocks has danny butler been 4th in the world cup, in the mens elite catergory, behind kenny,vince and caisso.

personally i think the best thing he could of ever done was move to uci, and that came about because everyone in the uk f**king hated him, but the french f**king dent, cus the ride to enjoy riding, AND PROMOTE COMP RIDING. top french riders, train the younger riders how to be better in comps, loadsa people in the uk do that, none!!!!!

f**k about!

[Munki]

Lot's of stuff

Mark makes every point that is worth making, but I do want to pick up on the point he made about TrailsKings. These guys made trials what it is today, they brought it out of the woods and showed for the first time in a media friendly way that it could be done in an urban setting.

What they did was pick up on the Martins style of riding but showcased it in a much better way than M.B.U.K. ever could, I remeber the days on a 56K connection spending 4 hours downloading the latest TK video, I got so much more from them than I ever did from MBUK.

Danny H (for the riding) and James H (for the amount of time he put into the videos) and the rest of the TK boys deserve a massive amount of respect for what they have done for the UK street trial scene. I don't feel you will ever see Danny's "trials" riding portrayed 100% on an MBUK video because the video is made to cover all aspects of riding, not just trials.

I would say Danny H is at the top level of trials for the amount he has achevied in the sport. You don't have to win stuff to be at the top level, that isn't what street trials was ever about. He's doing what he loves and getting major media coverage and high level sponsorship (well for the trials world anyway!)

He's achevied alot in trials, more than 99% of people on this forum every will.

[TomR]

I normaly disagree with Nic then call him an emo fag, just for fun (love you really ), but i agree 100% with that.

Sure i always used to buy MBUK and read hip hop, but it was downloading trialskings videos on my uber slow NTL dial up that actually made me want to get out and ride. Admittedly Magazines and videos are completely different typres of media, but the trialskings guys effortlessly pushed street trials so far up the ladder.

[Christophe']

joe doesnt read before he writes.....

he doesnt even think before he speaks.......

if you had half of a brain you would have read my thread about it anyway, iv not seen anything on the Butler front where abouts is that..................

like bucky said...............do what it says. even if it is 11.30 at night get some high powered lights like iv done

its too obvious that there is going to be a problem month in month out with people agreeing or not agreeing on somethings that go in MBUK. Its too hard to say something on here without people saying "you can only say it behind a computer screen" but trials just got pathetic this and last year!!!! P!55 P00R if you ask me. all this petty bollox.

F**KING GROW UP YOU SELF CENTRED WA*K*RS!!!!!!

all publicity is good publicity eh?

Waynio............................

id go out riding riding at 12.30 wayne,,,,

its being taken too seriously.

ive been working on my riding for 9 years,,,and still working on it.

comp/street doesnt matter! just riding and having fun.

I may put the odd silly thing on tf, but nothing bad.

If everyone concentrated on trying to learn "all" it would be heaven.

Just learn what can be done on a bike!!!!!!!!!!!

in every direction

and ride rode,,,,,,,eh urm thats just me!

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For waynio Its Christopher Abbey from darn sarf

Edited November 20, 2006 by VillageDave

[joe b]

Hahahahahahahahahahahaha...

[boon racoon]

AND if i piss people off on the internet i am never gonna make it. so the world of trials now revolves arouind this f**king forum, thats full of arguments, then f**k me, im knackered, my aswell nip downstairs and sort me self out with the bread knife now ant a mark?

ONE cracking example of a person who pissed off the whole of the uk, and got banned from biu, FOR NO REASON may i add, is danny butler. if you think that if i piss people off im done then why the f**king bollocks has danny butler been 4th in the world cup, in the mens elite catergory, behind kenny,vince and caisso.

personally i think the best thing he could of ever done was move to uci, and that came about because everyone in the uk f**king hated him, but the french f**king dent, cus the ride to enjoy riding, AND PROMOTE COMP RIDING. top french riders, train the younger riders how to be better in comps, loadsa people in the uk do that, none!!!!!

f**k about!

you can put the toys back in the pram now