Matthew_Gibson Posted November 16, 2006 Report Share Posted November 16, 2006 Right I'm after a new frame. I have an Echo Control, but I'd like something with a bit more BB rise. I want something around the same length, maybe a tad shorter, the bike now is about 1070ish, Ill measure it later. I was looking on Tarty's website, and the Adamant A1 06 has gone. Are they a good frame? Would it suit my riding, (mainly street, but not all that manual stuff. [see vids] but I do a bit of natty now and again. On Select bikes they are selling the A2 for £180, but that's crap material isn't it? (LINK)Well post away? I'd like everyone's opinion, but I don't want, " DON'T GET A ADAMANT CAUSE THERE CRAP" I want to get a new frame, but I'm not going to spend LOADS. Under £300, (Well I'll be selling my echo for £150 with BB and brake mounts)Thanks for your time.Matthew! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orgun_Donor Posted November 16, 2006 Report Share Posted November 16, 2006 To behonest, you would prolly be better lookingat something with slightly less BB rise then the 06 Adament, something more like 20mm - 30mm, Just so you dont lose the bunny hopping ability, and it remains more streety.Something like this? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ali C Posted November 16, 2006 Report Share Posted November 16, 2006 To behonest, you would prolly be better lookingat something with slightly less BB rise then the 06 Adament, something more like 20mm - 30mm, Just so you dont lose the bunny hopping ability, and it remains more streety.Something like this?I love you! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Waynio Posted November 16, 2006 Report Share Posted November 16, 2006 Yaabaa Bow 1075 wheelbase +30mm b/b rise, 385mm backend. works for me.i ride alot of street and alot of natural, not really into the "manueling" side of it, as i cant do it. iv been riding the bow for about 8 months now. dont have any reason to change to anything else as there is not alot out there that suits that sort of number game i was looking for.my requirements were:+20/30mm b/b rise.1070/1080 wheelbase385mm chainstays (dont really do 380mm feel too short)71/71.5 headangle.£295.00 Newit fitted most or in between the majority of my requirements.Waynio............................ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ali C Posted November 16, 2006 Report Share Posted November 16, 2006 must admit your yabba does ride nice, but get the ashton otherwise martyn will beat me with a stick Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orgun_Donor Posted November 16, 2006 Report Share Posted November 16, 2006 I love you! Hehe, well to behonest you cant really ride a high bottom bracket bike like a street bike(thats the reason all street bike have 0BB rise!) But the 07 adament would be good as well(except for the 116 rear spacing not being suitable).And I ride a 24Seven Holroyd, and not a huge huge fn of high BB's but i do like them, as well as low BB's(ok just read that back and it sounds like im talking shite... but it makes sense in my head). But for streetish trials, 20 - 30ish seems just spot on. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew_Gibson Posted November 16, 2006 Author Report Share Posted November 16, 2006 What about this?http://supercycles.co.uk/site_details.asp?ProductID=704I might consider the New Adamants with 135mm wheel thing. maybe a Zhi? I just want to have a change. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orgun_Donor Posted November 16, 2006 Report Share Posted November 16, 2006 The Zeniths are really nice(ask prawn). Very nice ride and have that sweet Geo where you dont loose bunny hopping, but feel realy nice on the back wheel, but thats just my opinion. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew_Gibson Posted November 17, 2006 Author Report Share Posted November 17, 2006 (edited) Anyone else? The onl;y reason i was put off my the ashton is that someone cracked one. I don't want to spend loads on a frame for it to snap/crack with in a few months/1year.What will the ashtons Wheels base etc be like with fattys on there?What size bb is it 68mm of 73?Thanks Matt! Edited November 17, 2006 by Matt Gibson Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orgun_Donor Posted November 17, 2006 Report Share Posted November 17, 2006 Its around 1055 with the fatty'sBB Shell is 73mm i believe.In all honesty its only one frame out of the how ever many that snapped(that i know of), its more a case of paranoia. Im sure Ali C will back me up on that, and here are alot of other frames that have had worse cracking stats, but then its your choice. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RobinJI Posted November 17, 2006 Report Share Posted November 17, 2006 There a 68mm shell, one of my mates frame transplanted a control for an Ashton and everything went on no problem at all, except an extra link in the chain, because the rear ends 5mm longer.The Ashton's are sweet, think about the way that what, maybe 10000 have been sold, and i can think of one that has cracked, so that's what? 0.01% of them! They are a pretty strong frame as far as I know, and the design and build quality is sound structurally. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orgun_Donor Posted November 17, 2006 Report Share Posted November 17, 2006 - Fits both 68 and 73mm shell bottom brackets, simply add the spacer for 68mm, or remove it if your frame has a 73mm shell (such as the Ashton Justice). There we go, afterme not being a lazy tard. thought i saw something one tarts about them being 73mm Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RobinJI Posted November 17, 2006 Report Share Posted November 17, 2006 Oh right, sorry. I could have sworn it was a 68 though. I mean like I said, one of my friends swapped his straight over from his echo, which I'm pretty sure are 68 shells, and it was a shimano, so not a spacered one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orgun_Donor Posted November 17, 2006 Report Share Posted November 17, 2006 Then im glad i dont ride it Na no idea how he managed that one, unless he was running a 73 in a 68 frame? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RobinJI Posted November 17, 2006 Report Share Posted November 17, 2006 (edited) Yeah, I'm not sure, it's definitely the right size in the Ashton, I would have noticed by now if it wasn't, I'm basically the local mechanic for my friends haha. And he wasn't running any spacers in the echo, and it fitted that fine too.Edit: perhaps Ali-C would know the answer, as it is Ashton related. Edited November 17, 2006 by Dont you Just Hate it When... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greetings Posted November 17, 2006 Report Share Posted November 17, 2006 I'd say the 2007 Adamant L seems quite nice (in terms of geometry, never ridden one though). Have you thought about a BT 6.0 1100? I rode Rav's bike a year ago and it was just wonderful. A bit "bulky" but the riding position was great. It probably depends on how tall you are, but I think you'd handle a 1100 easily. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew_Gibson Posted November 17, 2006 Author Report Share Posted November 17, 2006 Im about 5' 8/10 I might get the ashton though, I want sumat fun! maybe i'll love it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ali C Posted November 17, 2006 Report Share Posted November 17, 2006 the ashton is the most fun bike ever!They are a 73mm shell as I bought an echo external bb and it wouldnt fit.Frames are dam strong!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew_Gibson Posted November 17, 2006 Author Report Share Posted November 17, 2006 =Dhttp://www.tartybikes.co.uk/product.php?id=2027^^ one of them would fit in right? The head tube lenght is it the same lenght as the Echo Control '04?I think the wheelbase will be more like 1070ish with fattys on there. cheers Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
_skj0lsvik_ Posted November 17, 2006 Report Share Posted November 17, 2006 As Inur said, the BT 6.0 frames are really fun frames aswell. I struggled a bit with manuallin' my tibo, but when I got my BT 6.0 Short I was bunnyhopping and manualling as if I've never done anything else I love my bike, perfection Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GTF Posted November 17, 2006 Report Share Posted November 17, 2006 Why switch the control? They are super good If I was going to get a new frame, I would have to be an Ashton Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew_Gibson Posted November 17, 2006 Author Report Share Posted November 17, 2006 I just want something a bit different. Its a really nice bit, My 1st PROPER trials frame. ready to move on to sumat new. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bikerider Posted November 17, 2006 Report Share Posted November 17, 2006 KOT ms2 short ?CZAR Ivan short quite high bb thoughZHI ?why not just go for the new version of your current frame?Control 07touch higher bb and a frame you'll already know well. other than that, go ashton Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeCottTrials Posted November 17, 2006 Report Share Posted November 17, 2006 ive got a short GU and its quite sweet for uci style street and natural the only thing is if your gay and dont give high bb at least a week or two to sink in then you wont be used to it enough to feel the benefits. although i do think if i got a new frame now i might be tempted by something like the 07 adamant but thats only cos i hate to buy new stuff and have it the same as old id rather go for something that rides different otherwise it wouldnt be a new frame Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew_Gibson Posted November 18, 2006 Author Report Share Posted November 18, 2006 KOT ms2 short ? CZAR Ivan short quite high bb thoughZHI ?why not just go for the new version of your current frame?Control 07touch higher bb and a frame you'll already know well. other than that, go ashton I'm not paying that much for a KotDnt know about the CZARand the ZHI is a possabilityAshton for now though! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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