Mark W Posted November 16, 2006 Report Share Posted November 16, 2006 I think I'd still rather give the Iolobikes frames a bit more time, especially at £349. I know only Fatmike's has broken so far, but still, the whole "hand-built steel frame" thing plays on the fact you know the guy who's making it has years and years of experience and no doubt Iolo does, but Curtis and Leeson just have more, basically... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Broomer Posted November 20, 2006 Report Share Posted November 20, 2006 (edited) I think I'd still rather give the Iolobikes frames a bit more time, especially at £349. I know only Fatmike's has broken so far, but still, the whole "hand-built steel frame" thing plays on the fact you know the guy who's making it has years and years of experience and no doubt Iolo does, but Curtis and Leeson just have more, basically...i may be wrong but apparently fat mikes only snapped because he wanted the chain stays to be brazed onto the bb in a strange way to get the rear end as short as possibale, and iolo said he wasnt comfortable making it that way but he will try it.please correct me if im wrong. Edited November 20, 2006 by Broomer Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Waddy Posted November 20, 2006 Report Share Posted November 20, 2006 i may be wrong but apparently fat mikes only snapped because he wanted the chain stays to be brazed onto the bb in a strange way to get the rear end as short as possibale, and iolo said he wasnt comfortable making it that way but he will try it.please correct me if im wrong.correct, it was a design fault, aran fixed it free of charge, and will never be doing that design of yoke again, he also puts a plate gusset joining the bb and chainstays together Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ben_travis Posted November 20, 2006 Report Share Posted November 20, 2006 i like aran,we hugged once,then we shared a polite joke about drugs and how he was going to jump me later. then i ran off quicklybut i still like him, but only when he is more than 10ft away oh and for his bikes they look reet to me, mikes looks pretty nice. i like the fact you can play around with shizzle on them, i dont like them because they are steel. x Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
future orange 660 Posted November 20, 2006 Report Share Posted November 20, 2006 i would rather get a more trials specific design like the iolo but made by professionals- curtis.or a leeson. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Broomer Posted November 20, 2006 Report Share Posted November 20, 2006 i would rather get a more trials specific design like the iolo but made by professionals- curtis.or a leeson.your making iolo sound crap which they definately are not. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
future orange 660 Posted November 20, 2006 Report Share Posted November 20, 2006 not saying he is crap but its unclear at this stage. curtis have made hundreds of frames.just rather buy from an established brand although would prefer some of the trials features of the iolo in the curtis. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Broomer Posted November 20, 2006 Report Share Posted November 20, 2006 (edited) not saying he is crap but its unclear at this stage. curtis have made hundreds of frames.just rather buy from an established brand although would prefer some of the trials features of the iolo in the curtis.fair enough, i would have no worries about getting an iolo weather he is known or not, from his work so far its all good. Edited November 20, 2006 by Broomer Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
F-Stop Junkie Posted November 20, 2006 Report Share Posted November 20, 2006 i dont like them because they are steel. Just out of curiosity, what's wrong with steel? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
future orange 660 Posted November 20, 2006 Report Share Posted November 20, 2006 Just out of curiosity, what's wrong with steel?weight, flex. just was thinking, how many frame builders are there outside the uk producing steel frame? not sure of norco still do. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RobinJI Posted November 20, 2006 Report Share Posted November 20, 2006 just was thinking, how many frame builders are there outside the uk producing steel frame? not sure of norco still do. Hmm... Yeah, that's a good point, all I can think of is that new Canadian 24"(within trials of course, there are loads of jump/XC steel frame builders out there.) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
future orange 660 Posted November 20, 2006 Report Share Posted November 20, 2006 yeh lets face it though how strong does a road or xc frame need to be on the same point how strong does a bmx need to be? very. solution? steel. maybe a steel trials frame featuring those machined out tubes is in order like that bmx, cant remember which one. anyway back on topic. leeson *** Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RobinJI Posted November 20, 2006 Report Share Posted November 20, 2006 You mean the Eastern Grim Reaper? This monstrosity that should be sold for scrap metal?:Did they not notice that they could just use the butting process to reduce weight? They managed it with all there other frames, and its not even that light, its still 4lb 3oz (1.9kg) light for a BMX, but still not lighter than lots of really though MTB frames that just use clever butting. Leesons are under 5lb aren't they? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark W Posted November 20, 2006 Report Share Posted November 20, 2006 Comparing the Grim Reaper's weight to a trials frame doesn't really mean anything though. They're put through totally different forces, and the Grim Reaper's still going to be strongest for BMX usage compared to a Leeson or MTB frame or whatever. They are using butted tubing on it, as they are on the majority of BMX frames now, but due to the sheer abuse placed on BMX frames, they don't really butt them too thin simply because they'll just dent super easily. Sunday have started doing 'wavy downtubes' now to counteract denting but still have thin tube-walls, so yeah, they're making progress... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ben_travis Posted November 20, 2006 Report Share Posted November 20, 2006 Just out of curiosity, what's wrong with steel?i dont like how plain it is, how designs are restricted really because of the tubing. i dont like the weight issue, just a personal opinion. i always see folk bigging up steel and im not sure why. but i remember that the forum is alot of newbies following 'cool' members etc so if they say steel is cool, then newbs automatically do.i think that if aluminium was available at similar prices as steel is and it wasnt so mass produced in the far east, that much stell products wouldnt be availablei dont know, maybe im wrong, but i get the entire feeling with the steel trend, that people ride frames made in stell because they think it makes them individual or that they are sayin f**k you because the ride a frame that is "made in england/britain"(p.s i had a curtis back in the day, and loved it when i had it, but now i look back, and it was a pointless frame for me) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark W Posted November 20, 2006 Report Share Posted November 20, 2006 I just think that aluminium has more potential for trials frames. A few years ago when frames were more snap-happy I could almost see the logic behind the "Steel is repairable" thing, but now frames last much, much longer there's just no real benefit to having steel? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ben_travis Posted November 20, 2006 Report Share Posted November 20, 2006 I just think that aluminium has more potential for trials frames. A few years ago when frames were more snap-happy I could almost see the logic behind the "Steel is repairable" thing, but now frames last much, much longer there's just no real benefit to having steel?my opinion is that (yes im sponsored by deng) dengs frames are light, but durable, older models were not, but now they are. you dont see many of the 05+ models breaking (without normal circumstances) and yet they are still really light.i just dont think steel is benficial for trials. i mean think about it, i dont see how koxx sell XTP's and most of their frames at that price when deng is selling at almost half of some of the prices. im sorry, but steel is not for trials frames.*now bmx, requires steel because the amount of abuse in comparison and especially with the speed differences requires stronger frames Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
future orange 660 Posted November 20, 2006 Report Share Posted November 20, 2006 frame materials have moved on with time for the better. steel...aluminium now we are seeing more ti and carbon frames as the prices get lower. dont forget how expensive alu frames where when they came out. manufacturers will always be using new, better materials. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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