Trials Frame Designs

[Orgun_Donor]

Neway to get out of this(sorry bad day at work)

Frames -

Personally i think they will steady out as 20 - 40 BB rides. Their length will always vary due to longer and shorter people. But may see an increase in the CNCed part, but wont be for the whole bike, as it would weigh to much.

Edited November 8, 2006 by Orgun_Donor

[max-t]

BUMP

[Urban legend.]

Frame design is getting scary.

koxx Monsterboy for example

And i saw a prototype of a koxx frame built up and it was the ugliest thing ive ever seen!!

a cross between a electric bike and a zimmer frame

long wheelbase and mid bb i think will be the next big thing. [1150 wheelbase and +40 bb]

Just my opinion.

Craig.

[SubZero]

Maybe material will change a bit! I think they could maybe work

more with carbon and titanium but it's so expensive!

But geo will not change anymore I guess!

martin

[abe]

i wouldnt mind if a company made a dual disc bike,but with the discs on the other side to avoid them being hit on sidehops.But this is a long shot because every thing would have to change

[THE trials commentator]

i wouldnt mind if a company made a dual disc bike,but with the discs on the other side to avoid them being hit on sidehops.But this is a long shot because every thing would have to change

but if you sidehop to the right,and the discs are on the right,you'd have the same problem surely?

as for frames changing,i dont think anything major will happen,just little bits here and there modified to make things look a bit nicer?bb rise is geting stupidly high,and personally i dont see the advantage of having any bb rise ove +35.

Carl

[stetpro]

BIKE have a look

[Orgun_Donor]

BIKE have a look

What the hell is that monstrosity? Thats ugly as hell, altho better then the Fresh products proto type Pete is riding(in my opinion).... But i bet it works better as well!

[yoyoyo]

To be honest i can't see frames changing drastically in shape. Mayerials maybe. I can see titanium becoming more popular, should it go down in price.

Also i think tubing will stay in place, but Pete feel free to prove me wrong.

Pateneted paper work here. End of! I also know he has no plans to change from what he is doing now!

You do realise that if Deng was to copy your design, you'd have to take him to court. You'd have to pay all the fees. Hire a lawyer too probably.

If Deng really thought it would sell that much, i can't see a patent stopping him. He probably has plenty of money to throw away should you take him to court.

Sorry to be a bummer.

[max-t]

To be honest i can't see frames changing drastically in shape. Mayerials maybe. I can see titanium becoming more popular, should it go down in price.

Also i think tubing will stay in place, but Pete feel free to prove me wrong.

You do realise that if Deng was to copy your design, you'd have to take him to court. You'd have to pay all the fees. Hire a lawyer too probably.

If Deng really thought it would sell that much, i can't see a patent stopping him. He probably has plenty of money to throw away should you take him to court.

Sorry to be a bummer.

but why would Deng copy petes design any way?

*cough*

[N.Wood]

That Giants about 56 years old.

Someone post up the Ruthless! Lolz.

[Ben Beckett]

i'd say a LOT of riders would benefit loads if bikes came with 2 options......left or right; having the mech/bash, well all drivetrain mechanisms on the left or right-depending which way you tend to maneuver your bicycle.

i no that this is a huge step for bikes, plus it would complicate things a heck of a lot more. it would most likely cost more to manufacture, but would be absolutely amazing!!!

what are your opinions on the subject?

(p.s love you max !)

xxxx HOGG. 20. N.

[THE trials commentator]

yea it would be nice to have the option.but the cost of it would outweigh any good? it wouldnt be that hard for someone to make a disc that fits on the other side,it only needs to be mirrored,surely?but companies wouldnt let that stop them charging a bomb for a "new" product? i know some bmx companies give you the option,i think haro do a left hand drive bmx.im not sure how much interest it would have though?

Carl

[RobinJI]

Yeah, as far as drivetrain is concerned, assuming you're running singlespeed then all that needs to change is the freewheel/freehub and cranks to a left hand drive version, the only difference in the cranks is which way the threads go all need reversing, the freehubs just need the ratchet ring going the other way, and is an option on a lot of hubs such as profiles. I know at least 1 BMXer who has left hand drive in the small town I live in, and one who's hub has the option, and hes probably gunna go that way when he gets new cranks.

Of corse its only any use if you hit your right side more than your left.

Edit: to answer an erlier question, I beams are not really any good for frame design as they are the most efficient design, but only slightly, and only when forces are acting on a single plane, and the strength lost to awquald impacts would out-weigh the benefit of the tiny amount of weight saved

Edited November 10, 2006 by Dont you Just Hate it When...

[Greetings]

I think it's pretty much going in the direction Ali C mentioned. The materials shouldn't change either - carbon fibre is the last thing you want to use in trials, titanium is expensive and will remain expensive. So it'll either be a very strong and light grade of steel, or aluminium. Geometry can't change that much either, if anything we'll be able to buy frames with almost any geometry we want. If the sport becomes more popular there will be a greater demand for all sorts of frame geometry.

At the moment it's a bit of a joke really - you can't buy what you want - last year the low-bb lover had a very limited choice of Deng frames, now it's the other way round. That's not how it should be, and that must change. I'm not talking about Koxx/Monty here, these frames are just a joke - frightfully expensive and weak as fook.

I also think that the single tube design is not good. It's a good thing to have something between your legs you can feel when riding. Can't really explain why, but if I were given the chance to change my frame to a single tube design, retain the geometry and durability I'd turn the offer down. Maybe it would be ok with mods, the GU's are so low that you could almost call it 'single tube height'.

CNC should be limited. There are certain areas which it's very good to use CNC for, like the bb, dropout and integrated booster, but a CNC head tube is not really the way to go. Might look cool and so on but hey, that's not what trials is about.

edit: I know! Durable disc mounts!!

Edited November 10, 2006 by Inur

[JT!]

but why would Deng copy petes design any way?

*cough*

Yeah, that's what you need to think about.

That mc^2 thing is going to end up having a really bad weight to strenght ratio, you can just tell.

Getting it patented must cost a fair bit too, waste of money that was.

[Orgun_Donor]

be interesting what he as actually patented! and what the patent numbers are. But i guess we will never see them.

Just like the link to his 3 solid state hard drive he had. About a month or 2 ago. And the link to AMDs internal network being hack(from the outside) when he said he was going to hack me..... which im still waiting on....