Who Smokes The Green Stuff?

[Fixed Pants™]

Most people i know can get it easily anyways.

3 doors away.

I'm not gonna try it because i have abit of a dodgy ticker and i heard it effects your heart rate when smoking it etc. but living in the ghetto, loads of people do it. Silly really.

[THE trials commentator]

did smoke but dont anymore.

just rang my mate up,and it turns out he's had a breakdown of some sort,with anxiety attacks,his head is thinking waaay too much for normal,he's hearing voices,and he's become depressed and anorexic.and thats all because of smoking weed.he's quit,and hes on medication to sort his head out,he's also been signed off work too.weed's worse than other drugs imo because its so openly accepted by a majority of people,and therefore people pressume its safe.shouldnt be made legal,and if it was made legal,think of the extra tax!?

Carl

[quote name='poopipe' date='Nov 7 2006, 02:56 PM' post='1086113'

except I'd probably smoke less dope and probably skip the ketamine.

id skip the dope for definate,but not the ket.even if i did get addicted to it when i was dealing it,its still an amazing drug,although not something people should get into really i personally love putting as much shit into myself to see the effects,but thats not everyone's cup,and to be honest its something i'd advise against doing,even weed.but heck,i know i should take my own advice,trouble is...i love being absolutly f**ked.

Carl

[JT!]

but its social and something to do and okay does give me some small enjoyment!

It's easy to hand out justice if your not in the wrong aint it?

I'm not in 'the wrong' becuase i choose to be.

You might aswell say i smoke becuase i want to be cool. If you want to be 'more social' have something to drink. And look into getting a good personality.

I am pretty much against all types of drugs for myself. Even when i have a headache i put off using penicillin becasue i see it as unatural. I know it's weird and that, but thats the way i am. I prefer to just get on and live life as i am, without the use of any foreign substance to help me along the way. I personally think i'll be stronger for it.

Fully agree with that, i've ever hardly taken headache pill or whatever. And come to think of it i haven't had a headache thats botherd me all my life.

[Concussion]

Quote: he's had a breakdown of some sort,with anxiety attacks,his head is thinking waaay too much for normal,he's hearing voices,and he's become depressed and anorexic

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Oh I hear that! Although not the anorexic bit... I'm going the docs for some happy drugs, to counter the nasty happy drugs!

Stupid Cypress Hill!

[mat hudson]

i used to a fair ammount about 2 years ago, but since then i havnt really touched it in any more than the occasional toke.

doesnt do anything for me, makes me lazy and to be honest i have no motivation as it is

rum ***!!!

[20inchsuperstar]

does second hand count??

if thats a yes i have a few times

its not good really as my neighbour is in loads of trouble with the dealers about it and frequently gets threatened with guns and what not.... its not smart and it affects your riding!!( in a bad way) trust me, it hurts i try to avoid it as much as possible. it smells nice though before its burnt.....minty.....

[T-BAD]

i used to, like every day 2 years back... the odd chug don't harm though seriosly though, i ant had any for ages now...

[RobinJI]

Edit: was kinda harsh before

Weed really does suck sometimes, I have nothing against people having the odd bit at a party or something, but don't become a personality-less stoner.

So many people say its less harmfull than alcohol, but personaly, brain or liver?? not really a tough choice, my brain is me, my liver is part of me. I know that a small amount isnt really gunna screw you up, so fair play, just dont think that its harmless, because you've obviosly never seen brain-scans of regular users if you do.

Oh yeah, I have tryed it, so don't think I'm just being a dick, but you can't denie hard fact, and the fact is, it screws with your personality, and I'd rather be me, than me, missing parts of my personality.

Edited November 7, 2006 by Dont you Just Hate it When...

[Si-man]

Have a smoke with mates most fridays, i dont smoke fags though.

Nout wrong with it, i dont abuse it, i know my limits

Prefere to smoke green than drink.

Been proven that its better to smoke weed than to consume alcohol.

[Houseface]

i used to about 8 months ago, smoking fags and weed and also drinking.

i stopped all of it about 8 months ago but im not completely against it because i know what its like e.g: when stoned it feels nice to just sit there and be 'monged' but after it doesnt feel right.

steve.

[Krisboats]

I work in a general shop and I’m amazed by the amount of people who buy fags. It's insane. 40 L&B's please, that's the best part of £10 gone, just like that. Why? What benefits do you get out of them? Same with weed, what's the point?

I usually say if you've never tried something you don't have a right to give an opinion. Loads of people say it to everyday stuff like broccoli and anything their trying to get other people to do, i don't really see how its not the same for things like this.

The reason you don't understand is because of the fact you've never tried. If someone were telling you trials is shit and that you shouldn't do it i bet you wouldn't sit there and agree with them. In fact, thats a pretty damn good comparison.

Street trials and cannibis. Both illegal, both have dangers, both have perks, both are a never ending pool of money.

So given the chance would you try and argue for trials and "neglect/ignore" the illegalities/dangers of it or would you take the exact same approach to trials as you have to cannibis?

I've tried cannibis, thought it was fun in a way different to anything else i'd tried. I f**kin loved the uncontrolable laughter but i didn't like it the next day when i thought i was gonna whitey. I tried it for one weekend and that was it, i don't think i'd do it again either.

My view is, don't go and buy some off a dealer... its not something i'd want to do and as such i wouldn't recommend it. If you are wanting to try it then try it, but off a mate and only try a bit for a start. As with all things have it in moderation. You wouldn't go to a bar and line up 30 shots every night afterwork/uni so don't do the same with joints. Maybe have a couple of pints, maybe have a couple of joints. No-one can decide what your going to do with your life but you, just have a look at ALL the facts first and listen to people when they give you their honest views, good or bad.

P.S. I don't mean this in an accusational/big headed way, i'm just trying to broaden the thinking of a couple of people on t-f who seem quite stubbornly narrow minded in their views. I'm also not singling you out JT just wanted to use your quote, although it does apply to your biew on the subject.

[nmt_oli]

I do like a nice debate, and it’s good to see a proper one on TF for a change- not people slagging each other off.

Now, I personally don’t smoke (tobacco or weed) never have, and don’t plan to. I drink occasionally in a social way, pretty much in moderation (although I believe I have still technically “binged” before, as the amount you need to binge is so low), and have no desire at all to try other drugs AT ALL.

I, like some others have said, try to avoid taking medication for illness/headaches if its not definitely needed. I do however take one prescription drug daily, but that is to control my epilepsy, kind of have to take that really!

Our society is very strange in how it responds to drugs, drugs have been around for a long time, and as such have formed part of our society and culture. If you look at native cultures, like tribes they often use drugs made form plants in the jungle in there religion/ritual, so its nothing new. What is new is the control of drugs, we are already in a big brother society, increasingly limited freedoms in everyway. Drugs are illegal, supposedly for our own good, yet we still have stoners, and drug dealers everywhere, it’s a waste of police time and government money if nothing else.

I believe ALL drugs should be made FULLY legal, over the counter. Weed at newsagents, harder stuff at pharmacies.

The supply of the drugs can be controlled – no risk of varying dosages, dodgy stuff mixed in with it, so much safer. This leads to less chance of overdosing. Advice can also be given at the point of sale.

The price of the drugs can be controlled, which is useful. Tax revenue can be generated, which should be used on helping addicts, and properly educating our children! And can be put towards the NHS.

There is much less wasting police time trying to catch dealers, as if the drugs are price controlled, the price can be dropped to take the dealers out of the market. If the over the counter quality is high, people wont bother with dealers either.

If you think this is a bad idea, look at other countries! We have the highest drug problems and for that matter child pregnancies in Europe pretty much- why? Because we try and be too controlling. We need to be more open, give people better information and allow them to make there own choices. A lot of people take drugs young/ get pregnant cause they think there doing something cool and it’s a thrill to do something when your not meant to, get rid of that aspect and there less likely to do it.

The most dangerous drug in our society right now is the one which is most legal- alcohol! Binge drinking, drunken fights, again we are one of the worst countries for this!

The NHS is struggling from alcohol related diseases and health problems- not lust long term patients with liver problems, but A&E on Friday and Saturday night, over 50% of people there will be there due to alcohol whether it be drinking too much and getting paralytic, or just being hit over the head by some drunken twat.

This whole country needs to take a good dose of THC and chill out, stop being so uptight about the whole situation!

With cannabis in particular, it does have benefits as well as the negatives.

When smoked (assuming a pure joint) you will be breathing in much less shit than you do if you smoke a cigarette. Cigarettes have so much tar and rubbish in them, and clog up your lungs a lot more than a joint will.

Medically, it has been proved that THC, whether it be smoked, or eaten or whatever, can seriously help various mental conditions such as multiple sclerosis. Conditions like this have NO ALTERNATIVE TREATMENT and are really debilitating. If weed stops the symptoms with no side affects, why the hell is it illegal for that?

I admit, in certain people too much weed has negative affects and can trigger disorders and depression. I personally think this only happens in people who have a family history of such things, etc. (excluding depression) and does not create them, just triggers something that was there.

This is actually the one reason I haven’t tired it, due to my epilepsy- I don’t want to risk it. I have wanted to try it (not necessarily use it regularly, but a once off thing).

As a side note- I have just read on one of the websites I’ve been looking at about the medical aspects, that it has been seen in animals to have a positive effect, and is a possible treatment for epilepsy, which again can only be a good thing.

I do not doubt more research needs to be done, as THC does definitely affect the brain in a BIG way, and right now it’s a lucky dip whether it will end good or bad for you individually.

[poopipe]

I believe ALL drugs should be made FULLY legal, over the counter. Weed at newsagents, harder stuff at pharmacies. etc...

I've always been in 2 minds about that one

Everything you said is true enough but by legalising you make everything more available to people who aren't legally allowed to buy (lets say under 18s for the sake of argument)

There's plenty of kids who manage to get hold of fags and beer at 12 or 13, If you could suddenly buy cocaine and heroin over the counter at your local chemist it doesn't take a great mental leap to see little gangs of schoolkids scraping up enough change to persuade an older kid to go in and buy them some.

I know there's no age restriction on illegal drugs but in order to buy cocaine you have to meet a cocaine dealer - having known a few in my time I can fairly safely say that they don't generally associate with 12-13 year olds. In fact, I'd hazard a guess that the current situation is much as it was when I was younger - ie. the only drugs that are really easily accessible at 13-14 are weed, speed and pills - none of which are particularly dangerous in themselves (cos they aren't properly addictive).

Edited November 7, 2006 by poopipe

[Fishy]

'If you think this is a bad idea, look at other countries! We have the highest drug problems and for that matter child pregnancies in Europe pretty much- why?' - nmt_oli

Telford has the highest in England

There's my input for this debate.

Edited November 7, 2006 by Joe Rothwell

[JT!]

Been proven that its better to smoke weed than to consume alcohol.

I doubt that very much.

People can come up with facts that probably arn't true or just deciving. Comparing drugs and smoking to street biketrials becuas it's life threatening and illigal is just a pointless fact, and a pathetic atempt to make smoking and drug use seem ok.

[THE trials commentator]

I believe ALL drugs should be made FULLY legal, over the counter. Weed at newsagents, harder stuff at pharmacies.

i dont know about that,smacks pretty dark stuff,i know i wouldnt want that over the counter.true it may stop drugs related crimes,but it'll make it readily accessible to people who have NO control over their habit,and trust me,thats not a good idea.

Things you may not know about drugs that are out there are: Ketamine is not a horse tranquilizer,it was originally used in WW1 and 2.It's an anesthetic,and was used on the battlefields to numb the pain of the injuries soldiers gained.In 1953 i think?a guy named Dilly Thomason or something like that first worked out how to turn it from liquid to powder (i'm not going to tell you,cos i could get in shit) and was then supplying it to soldiers for recreational use.It's still used in many hospitals today as an anesthetic for children and elderly people,as less people are allergic to it,and it doesnt effect the heart as much.

The reason people immediatley think 'horse tranq' is because of the media,yes,it was used on horses for a little while,until they found a cheaper/more effectice way to knock out a horse.one media article i read about ket said "0.4 grams can knock out a horse in 60 secs,what could it do to you!?' truth is,not alot.maybe make you hallucinate a mild amount,but not a great deal.Horses are chemically balanced differently to human beings,so the effects are different.

Cocaine:used in the medical industry occaisionally,but not the same as 'street' cocaine.its purer stuff,and also used to numb pain quickly.examples are if a rugby player has a broken nose,the doctor would put a small bit of medicinal cocaine up there to numb it,ready for him to put it back in place.

please dont think im encouraging drug use.i'm not.i'm merely pointing out that alot of drugs that the media make out to be the spawn of satan,are actually the opposite.

speaking as someone who has used every drug under the sun to get kicks,i would advise strongly against it.i've tried it all,still use most of it,i was never pressured into taking anything,most of the time i did it myself just to see what it was like.the one piece of advise from me i'd like to think you'll listen to,is dont bother.adrenaline is the only drug you need.if i could,i'd definatly think twice about it all.i'd probably still be how i am,but at least i'd have thought about it.

sorry for the huge rant/post.just hope it helps?

Carl

[Krisboats]

I doubt that very much.

People can come up with facts that probably arn't true or just deciving. Comparing drugs and smoking to street biketrials becuas it's life threatening and illigal is just a pointless fact, and a pathetic atempt to make smoking and drug use seem ok.

You missed the point i reckon, i wasn't comparing the two to each other, i was comparing the way you seem to have prejudiced views against one and find the other to be completely acceptable. It wasn't a pathetic attempt to make it seem okay, i was trying to show you what other people think and moreover broaden your views on things. Their both illegal, FACT. They both have dangers, FACT. They both have good aspects (a buzz/high/whatever you wanna call it) FACT. Yet you class one as being completely fine and the other as being a comepletely different story. When you break it down to simple pros and cons they're not that dissimlar at all.

And i'm pretty sure the cannibis is less harmful than alcohol is true, something to that extent was on east midlands news... but then again that was also saying "leading scientists recent studies indicate..."

[Radfax]

Its very common now days, doesnt make it right but meh. I have never smoked it personaly (A)

[poopipe]

And i'm pretty sure the cannibis is less harmful than alcohol is true, something to that extent was on east midlands news... but then again that was also saying "leading scientists recent studies indicate..."

forget physical effects - they'll both kill you in different ways so theres no real comparison to make

the important part is whether you can stop or not...

If you smoke dope all day, every day for 10 years you will (usually) be able to stop smoking dope and recover from it fairly easily.

if you drink gin all day, every day for ten years you will (usually) have huge difficulties getting sober and then spend the rest of your life trying not to drink again.

alchohol is chemically addictive - cannabis isn't. That is why cannabis is safer

[Has anyone seen my shoe?]

Sucking a horses penis covered in plutonium isnt addictice (i know from exprience) but its still not so good for you.

[yoyoyo]

Never have never will.

Should never be made legal.

End of...

I know plenty of people that smoke, and to be honest it sort of puts you off spending time if they light one up when their with you.

Although i'm not as bothered anymore as i used to. Wouldn't be able to sit next to someone smoking, but now i'm fine.

[Fishy]

Some more useless input.

I personally dispise the smell of fags, they make me feel sick, but I've had to grow up with that smell 'cos my mum smokes. I much rather the smell of cannabis to cigarettes. Hell, I prefer the smell of my room to fags.

Ban the f**king lot!

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[poopipe]

Sucking a horses penis covered in plutonium isnt addictice (i know from exprience) but its still not so good for you.

tasty though, mmmm

im not saying either are good for you, im saying having a dope smoking habit is better than a drinking habit because you'll be able to stop smoking dope when you want to - without having to suffer the withdrawal you get from a real addiction.

Having watched people come off booze, heroin and cocaine/crack in the past I can assure you a genuine chemical addiction is a motherf**ker to shake - giving up ganja is a walk in the park by comparison.

[RobinJI]

I know plenty of people that smoke, and to be honest it sort of puts you off spending time if they light one up when their with you.

Although i'm not as bothered anymore as i used to. Wouldn't be able to sit next to someone smoking, but now i'm fine.

Indeed, thats exactly what I think, as soon as people start on the weed, I go off on my bike, find some people who arn't smoking it and ride.

As for comparing weed and bike trials, bike trials has a shed load more benefits than weed, like physical fitness for example. All i know, is that the come down from weed last a day or two and sucks, the come down from a really good ride is a big grin for a day or two.

If you smoke dope all day, every day for 10 years you will (usually) be able to stop smoking dope and recover from it fairly easily.

Come off it yes, recover from it, no, I know the tissue in the brain is extrodinary stuff, but growing back like 15-20% of your brain is far from easy.

Alcohol is becoming a magor problem in england, its all the pissed up little girls who don't know how to control how much vodka filled panda pop to drink without screwing themselves up. If you drink in modoration, then alcohol will not cause you major problems. Its the same with weed, but i know alot of people who always said they'd do it every now and then, then they just end up living off the stuff. Alcohols not the same like that, because when you've been having too much weed you don't wake up feeling like utter shit and unable to touch the stuff for a long time. (unless you whitey, but you can easily have too much without doing that.)

[THE trials commentator]

Having watched people come off booze, heroin and cocaine/crack in the past I can assure you a genuine chemical addiction is a motherf**ker to shake - giving up ganja is a walk in the park by comparison.

Amen to that.heroin and crack is a bitch to get off of,and it hangs around you like a dark cloud for ages.weed was a piece of piss,i decided one day i'd just stop tokin,and i havent touched it for a couple of years now.

Carl