crazy_gap girl Posted October 25, 2006 Report Share Posted October 25, 2006 (edited) OK, A good few month's back Diamond Back got in touch with me about their new range of 26" trials bikes they were going to produce, Which they also asked if i would like to ride one of the frames, Sadly 26" isnt my scene, So i pasted it over to Rachel Burdett and so far she's going to be riding one of these babies.Anyway, Mike from Diamond Back wanted me to post it on here to get some feed back from you guysHere are the Frames:The silver one is going to be a much higher spec than the black one, the black one will be cheaper, You get jist.Anyway tell me/Mike what you lot think of it Cheers Nadine.. Edited October 25, 2006 by crazy_gap girl Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZHI-sam Posted October 25, 2006 Report Share Posted October 25, 2006 looks preety sweet for diamondback. not sure how good it will be as diamondback are more the 20'' bmx sorta people but still looks good.sam Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
adamtrials Posted October 25, 2006 Report Share Posted October 25, 2006 (edited) Loving the first one, not sure about the graphics though.Is the second one a street frame? V brake mounts Any ideas on pricing?Will they be available frame only? Edited October 25, 2006 by adamtrials Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nickyw Posted October 25, 2006 Report Share Posted October 25, 2006 They look ok..I would have one,But there not my flavour....Thought id see something different coming from diamond-back. P.s What's with the japanese writing on the side? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Krisboats Posted October 25, 2006 Report Share Posted October 25, 2006 They look as though they could be alright, depending on the geometry and what they're kitted up with compnents-wise they should be pretty good (what i'd imagine to be entry level) bikes. A shed load better than the T10 anyday. Just make sure they don't go down the same route as saracen with the stupid components, like keeping rear mechs to cheap sora/tiagra jobbies instead of the SRAM X-O like saracen put on their frames. Just make sure the main components are alright and it should be great. A reliable rear wheel/freehub (hope XC or similar) or fixed rear wheel and a front freewheel are what i'd imagine would be the best money/reliability ratio'd components for it.Any rough sort of ideas on price and things, and any more information about geometry and so forth? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prawny Baby Posted October 25, 2006 Report Share Posted October 25, 2006 it LOOKS like the first frame is fairly LOW bb, as its fairly inline with the dropouts....other than thatwho knows.look good to meis that a 100mm BB shell on the silver frame? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe Papasnap Maher Posted October 25, 2006 Report Share Posted October 25, 2006 A pitbul with control tubing... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted October 25, 2006 Report Share Posted October 25, 2006 (edited) Black is nicer than the silver, but they are terribly like deng's bikes. I expect new companies to bring something new to the market, otherwise I can't see the point?About the BB height, is it not a drop? I guess it may be in the region of -20/+20 due to the bottom bracket shell, but for it to be risen further the forks and rear dropout's would need to be touching the ground and the BB shell not....... Edited October 25, 2006 by jake1516 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jamie_Neal Posted October 25, 2006 Report Share Posted October 25, 2006 A pitbul with control tubing... And the 100mm bb yoke off a Vario Styx??Which makes/would make it a shed load betted than a Pitbull/Control IMO - Stronger bb issue Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RicH_87 Posted October 25, 2006 Report Share Posted October 25, 2006 It's like somone said a few weeks ago, if trials becomes more 'commercial' then bigger companies will be looking to cash in on it, by making bikes that are fundamentally the same, just cheaper quality.Look at bmx for example, you can buy top end bikes/parts (animal, odyssey, federal etc...) and you can get some £100 jobbie from argos (dimondback, mongoose, GT etc...)The cheap bikes are aimed more at beginners who want to get into the sport without spending much.They are made to look similar to the top end bikes so that the newbies don't feel like outcasts, but the spec and build quality is usually lower, even though the frames are usually bomb proof.Please note, i'm not assuming Diamond Back are just making more trials bikes for the hell of it, with no regard to actual durability. For all i know these things could come with chris king hubs all round, hope brakes, the lot...but i doubt it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoNnY__Mc Posted October 25, 2006 Report Share Posted October 25, 2006 (edited) i like both of the frames, they look rather swish, alot better than the t10 which i shamefully ridden for a year when you get some news on geo be sure to post up... also get your freind to send you some pictures of the full build Edited October 25, 2006 by JoNnY__Mc Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orgun_Donor Posted October 25, 2006 Report Share Posted October 25, 2006 I like the look of the first frame, very nice. But the graphics just don't seem right on it. The crazy flame design is a bit.... i dont know, wrong!Look like they could be good, but would definately keep my eye on the spec of the complete bikes, hope its not let down by bad rear wheel and drive train Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ollie2000 Posted October 25, 2006 Report Share Posted October 25, 2006 the flames make it look a bit chavy like mission so the chavs will think wow that bikes well nice instead of thinking about compoments(spelt wrong)/geo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adrian Posted October 25, 2006 Report Share Posted October 25, 2006 the first one looks like a home made pitbull, like summit youd make at your school...lol just looks cheap... and the ''graphics''!!?? deffo fit for argos... rear end is a copy of a pitbul, control tubing, and aorta chainstays... hmmmm not much imagination gone into this frame.... ah well, i hope its sold cheap Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RobinJI Posted October 25, 2006 Report Share Posted October 25, 2006 (edited) Actually the Down tube isn't anything like a control, Look closely and you can see that its actually a kinda interesting looking almost triangular cross section, Looks good, probably be a lot harder to dent than a normal /control style tube.Edit: crappy paint draqing of cross section: Edited October 25, 2006 by Dont you Just Hate it When... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
matt! Posted October 25, 2006 Report Share Posted October 25, 2006 black frame looks nice, also very good for a diamond back trials frame. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Egg Fried Rice Posted October 25, 2006 Report Share Posted October 25, 2006 the silver DB has like a 0 BB JK Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billy Posted October 25, 2006 Report Share Posted October 25, 2006 (edited) The black one looks pretty swish, besides the V-Mounts, and the downtube on the silver one is pretty nice, but 0 BB, or BB drop? Might not be too great. Is there a spec for them yet? Edited October 25, 2006 by Billy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tomm Posted October 25, 2006 Report Share Posted October 25, 2006 About the BB height, is it not a drop? I guess it may be in the region of -20/+20 due to the bottom bracket shell, but for it to be risen further the forks and rear dropout's would need to be touching the ground and the BB shell not.......It's missing a headset which I guess might raise the front by 1cm or so - Enough to make it level? Any idea on price anyone? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chrishayton Posted October 25, 2006 Report Share Posted October 25, 2006 both frames are hideous Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rich Pearson Posted October 25, 2006 Report Share Posted October 25, 2006 A pitbul with control tubing... I was about to say. Did you rape a contol with a pitbull and this was the b*****d child?Actually the Down tube isn't anything like a control, Look closely and you can see that its actually a kinda interesting looking almost triangular cross section, Looks good, probably be a lot harder to dent than a normal /control style tube.Edit: crappy paint draqing of cross section:Read: Easier to shatterRich Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaRtZ Posted October 26, 2006 Report Share Posted October 26, 2006 i wouldnt buy either. cos they're stock for one reason but they just dont look good to me Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted October 26, 2006 Report Share Posted October 26, 2006 The silver one looks like something mission would come out with, especially with those blue flames or whatever they are. Is it really easier to shatter? Fair enough if they had increased the hardness of the material that would definately be the case, but it's the shape which stop it denting. If anything it might crack, but I wouldn't imagine it to shatter, Aluminum/Steel doesn't tend to shatter in that sorta way.It's Perhaps more prone to cracking, but a shatter would suggest that it broke into many smaller pieces Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
anzo Posted October 26, 2006 Report Share Posted October 26, 2006 (edited) The silver one looks like something mission would come out withIt'll be a low cost frame I imagine? Ideal for beginners ect. They obviously have limited experience in trials frames, and I guess only try to cater for the beginner/budget rider.Theres a massive market for cheap trials bikes now, no 'new' companies can contend with the likes of Deng/Monty frames so they aim for the non-fussy, basic frame, cheap beginner. However onza has never left the market open, and can certainly supply a bike for any reasonable budget, and onza is a really difficult contender.Its not my cup of tea personally, but then I'm not a stock lover. I do admire the frame for the downtube though, its experimental which is what trials frames need now (again) because we're in a long and low phase, which is just boring.Obviously, the frame is long and low...but its certainly different to the GU, Zoo ect ect.Edit: Nice to see a rear disc mount on there! However it'll be interesting to see how this holds up. Most manufactures have a difficulty in creating a ridgid, strong rear disc mount. It'll be interesting to see what else DB can come up with, and hopefully encourage other manufactures to jump on the bandwagon, creating more components...which may encourge others to drop their prices?...I wish. Edited October 26, 2006 by anzo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Danny Posted October 26, 2006 Report Share Posted October 26, 2006 Hello!Mike from diamond back has told me to pull the topic as he dosnt want his competitors to see, he only wanted a good few people to give some feed back.So if you could delete this topic: http://www.trials-forum.co.uk/forum/index....=85746&st=0That would be great!.Thank youNadine Staniforth.Seams gay shall we leave it open anyway Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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