Advice Needed, In Any Aspect !

[Sammmmy]

Hey hey!

So I need some advice if possible, because I'm pretty new in trialing in general, I'm trialing for 2 months now.

I bought a Koxx Trick 2ndhand , and I can't seem to find anything about it on the internet, Koxx has a trick bike, but it doesn't even look like mine..

Heres my bike:

I know it aint much, and after reading stuff on this forum I know Koxx aint really a good brand, or not to save costs in..

But, never the less, I'm making pretty good progress on it, backhopping goes pretty naturaly and sidehopping off/on things goes good as well. I hopped a 1.8 meter down earlier today.

But ok, my front brake doesn't seem to be powerfull enough, so I was wondering what front disc I should buy to improve this.. And ofcourse the rest of the things needed for a front disc.

I was thinking of this setup?

Fork:Echo Lite '07

Disc:Hope Mono Trial 180mm

Hub:Hope Pro 2 (32h)

Is that all I need, or do I need an entire new front wheel?

And will this combination fit on that fork?

I hope you can help me.

Thanks a lot!

Sam

[ted]

I was thinking of this setup?

Fork:Echo Lite '07

Disc:Hope Mono Trial 180mm

Hub:Hope Pro 2 (32h)

That fork is a sound choice and will fit with the components you have chosen.

i dont have much experience with hope trials brakes but if you want to save some money then i suggest the avid ball bearing disk brake. its great value for money and with a bit of fiddling about and setting up it will be as good, or better than, the hope.

the hub is another good choice, however it is always best to have a whole new wheel built if possible. And also im not sure whether the hope has the same number of spokes as your current rim, if not you would definitely need a new wheel.

if im wrong about any of this then someone please correct me

p.s you will probably need a quick release skewer for your hub( unless you have one already).

Ted.

[Sammmmy]

That fork is a sound choice and will fit with the components you have chosen.

i dont have much experience with hope trials brakes but if you want to save some money then i suggest the avid ball bearing disk brake. its great value for money and with a bit of fiddling about and setting up it will be as good, or better than, the hope.

the hub is another good choice, however it is always best to have a whole new wheel built if possible. And also im not sure whether the hope has the same number of spokes as your current rim, if not you would definitely need a new wheel.

if im wrong about any of this then someone please correct me

p.s you will probably need a quick release skewer for your hub( unless you have one already).

Ted.

Wow, thanks for the reply, but there are some things i don't understand.

The release skewer, what is it?

And do you happen to have a link of the avid ball bearing disk brake?

A complete new wheel, will this cost alot?

Thanks ahead, Sam.

Edited October 22, 2006 by Sammmmy

[chris222pher]

fork and front brake are a really good choice, personally i am a massive hope fan and i think it is a love or hate type thing with hope. with regards to the rear hub i'm not sure that the pro II hub will fit the mod frame as the spacing im pretty sure is different on the rear triangle. i'm sure someone on here will be able to confirm what i said or correct me if im wrong,

good luck with riding!!

chris

[Sammmmy]

fork and front brake are a really good choice, personally i am a massive hope fan and i think it is a love or hate type thing with hope. with regards to the rear hub i'm not sure that the pro II hub will fit the mod frame as the spacing im pretty sure is different on the rear triangle. i'm sure someone on here will be able to confirm what i said or correct me if im wrong,

good luck with riding!!

chris

But the site says Hubs (Front)? That doesn't mean it will fit on all front forks 20"/26" right away? I guess that the skewer is to solve this problem..

Thanks mate,

Sam

[Fish-Finger-er]

a front hub is the same spacing 20 or 26". its the rear hubs which are different, but as your only getting a front, this doesnt concern you.

although, you sure the maggies bled, with decent pads, on a nice grind, cos should be way more powerful than you need on the front imo.

[Sammmmy]

Can you tell me something about the bleeding/grind?

In other words, how to improve the power of my brakes?

Because I don't really understand what you just said right now :$

Cheers,

Sam

Edited October 22, 2006 by Sammmmy

[danfox23]

Can you tell me something about the bleeding/grind?

Bleeding gets rid of all the trapped air in the maggies which makes them crap, as for the grind i don't know so i cant help you on that.

Dan

Edited October 22, 2006 by danfox23

[sUm]

The disc setup you listed will work just fine. Although as previously stated you could probably get your magura working well enough. A brake bleed is the process of pushing new fluid into your brake line to get rid of trapped air bubbles. Because air more easily than oil, air in your brake line will result in a spongey feeling at the lever, and an overall worse-performing brake.

As was also stated, you could try grinding your rim. "Grinding" is taking an angle grinder to your rim and roughing up the braking surface a bit. Even before you try bleeding or grind though, I would suggest checking your caliper/pad alignment. Make sure that your pads are hitting your rim squarely. Lastly you could try some better pads. I'm assuming you're running standard black pads currently which aren't absolutely terrible, but you would get better performance from some different pads.

My advice would be to bleed your brake and check your pad alignment before you do anything. You might just find that it works much better and end up saving yourself quite a bit of cash.

[RobinJI]

A grind is when a grinder is rubbed against the surface of the rim to give a rough finish to it, letting the pads bite better. I would'nt say you nesicarily need a new front break, as said above, a maggie should be easily powerful enough for the front.

If you really do want a disc, then fair enough, the hopes are great after they've had some time to bed in. I wouldn't say you will need a 180mm rotor on a mod really, got for a 160mm, you'll have slightly less chance of hitting it on things. The hope hubs are great, If you want to save some money then a Hope XC would do the job easily well enough, it just weighs a few grams more.

As for the wheel, if you look at you're spokes on your front wheel you can see that they don't cross over at all, this type of spoking can not be used with a disc break, so you will need to get different length spokes as well, although these would have been needed anyway, due to the change in hub. Once you have paid for a hub, spokes, and building the wheel separately, you probably aren't far off the price of a full new wheel, due to the discount most shops give for buying the whole wheel.

The 'trick' bike that koxx make does look quite similar to yours, I'd jut say that yours isn't the current model. It is a nice bike to start on, they ride really nicely, don't put it down too much just because of what people say on here, problems with products often get exaggerated on here, people sometimes don't seem to understand that when thousands of a product are sold, some of them are going to break. it's not a big deal.

Welcome to the trials word, keep up the iding and have fun Its what it all about.

[I-LUV-TRIALS]

Hey hey!

So I need some advice if possible, because I'm pretty new in trialing in general, I'm trialing for 2 months now.

I bought a Koxx Trick 2ndhand , and I can't seem to find anything about it on the internet, Koxx has a trick bike, but it doesn't even look like mine..

Heres my bike:

I know it aint much, and after reading stuff on this forum I know Koxx aint really a good brand, or not to save costs in..

But, never the less, I'm making pretty good progress on it, backhopping goes pretty naturaly and sidehopping off/on things goes good as well. I hopped a 1.8 meter down earlier today.

But ok, my front brake doesn't seem to be powerfull enough, so I was wondering what front disc I should buy to improve this.. And ofcourse the rest of the things needed for a front disc.

I was thinking of this setup?

Fork:Echo Lite '07

Disc:Hope Mono Trial 180mm

Hub:Hope Pro 2 (32h)

Is that all I need, or do I need an entire new front wheel?

And will this combination fit on that fork?

I hope you can help me.

Thanks a lot!

Sam

it looks to me more like a koxx djinn have a look mate i think it is hope this helps.adam

[JT!]

Hi.

Yeah, what you've listed looks ok. Rather expensive, but if you've got the cash go for it.

If you were to do that. You'd have to dismantle the wheel, send the rim off, and get the hub built onto it with new spokes.

However, if you just getting into trials, the setup you have now seems fine.

What pads are you running?

If you running the pads that samewith the magura (either the standard black pads, or the red / pink koolstops) you could go out and buy some new pads and have a brake much more powerful, without spending £200+

[Sammmmy]

Cool guys thanks alot for the advice, it really helped me out.

Currently I have the standard Magura pads yeah, black ones. I should get the breaks bleeded because they feel spongy, and that's a sign of air in my brake I guess.

Can I do this at a local bike shop?

- Can anyone suggest me a better model of pads for maggies? Perhaps a link? That would be awesome, because I don't really know what is good to buy and what is not.

I think I'll leave the grinding for now, as I have no clue how to grind at all, and I don't have a device to do that..

Thanks really for the help, I like this forum.. Fast and Fair replies..

Greets,

Sam

Edited October 23, 2006 by Sammmmy

[Louth Trials]

Cool guys thanks alot for the advice, it really helped me out.

Currently I have the standard Magura pads yeah, black ones. I should get the breaks bleeded because they feel spongy, and that's a sign of air in my brake I guess.

Can I do this at a local bike shop?

- Can anyone suggest me a better model of pads for maggies? Perhaps a link? That would be awesome, because I don't really know what is good to buy and what is not.

I think I'll leave the grinding for now, as I have no clue how to grind at all, and I don't have a device to do that..

Thanks really for the help, I like this forum.. Fast and Fair replies..

Greets,

Sam

you can get monty brake pads for smooth rims as that is what i use they are brill, i use mine with a bit of tar work ausome. if you send me your brake including a £3.50 and a S.A.E with the right size to fit the brake in and i will bleed the brake with proper magura mineral oil. the cost is to cover the cost of the oil an time. i have never been a great fan of grinds as they wear your pads down faster and weakens your rim i currently run a magura on the front and this is just right. i am now going to disk as a matter of preference.

Here's the link for the brake pads LINKY

Edited October 23, 2006 by monty ryder

[Louth Trials]

you can get monty brake pads for smooth rims as that is what i use they are brill, i use mine with a bit of tar work ausome. if you send me your brake including a £3.50 and a S.A.E with the right size to fit the brake in and i will bleed the brake with proper magura mineral oil. the cost is to cover the cost of the oil an time. i have never been a great fan of grinds as they wear your pads down faster and weakens your rim i currently run a magura on the front and this is just right. i am now going to disk as a matter of preference.

Here's the link for the brake pads LINKY

you can get monty brake pads for smooth rims as that is what i use they are brill, i use mine with a bit of tar work ausome. if you send me your brake including a £3.50 and a S.A.E with the right size to fit the brake in and i will bleed the brake with proper magura mineral oil. the cost is to cover the cost of the oil an time. i have never been a great fan of grinds as they wear your pads down faster and weakens your rim i currently run a magura on the front and this is just right. i am now going to disk as a matter of preference.

Here's the link for the brake pads LINKY

im sorry about that i ddint realise that you lived in belgium sorry mate and yes you coul probably get it bled at your local bike shop.

[Sammmmy]

Cool thanks for the link mate, I guess I'll go check out the local bike shop soon then, but thanks for the offer though !

So do I need the long or short monty brake pads?

I see the Koxx Bloxx, are these maybe better?

Greets,

Sam

[Louth Trials]

Cool thanks for the link mate, I guess I'll go check out the local bike shop soon then, but thanks for the offer though !

So do I need the long or short monty brake pads?

I see the Koxx Bloxx, are these maybe better?

Greets,

Sam

i have the long ones and id reccommed them but if you are on a tight buget get the short. i have a mate who has the short ones... monty all the way!!!

[JT!]

Cool guys thanks alot for the advice, it really helped me out.

Currently I have the standard Magura pads yeah, black ones. I should get the breaks bleeded because they feel spongy, and that's a sign of air in my brake I guess.

Can I do this at a local bike shop?

- Can anyone suggest me a better model of pads for maggies? Perhaps a link? That would be awesome, because I don't really know what is good to buy and what is not.

I think I'll leave the grinding for now, as I have no clue how to grind at all, and I don't have a device to do that..

Thanks really for the help, I like this forum.. Fast and Fair replies..

Greets,

Sam

Alot of people these days bleed their brake with water. It makes it feel much nicer, and it's easier to do, and cleaner. Only problem is, if you ride in sub-zero temperatures, it can freeze up. So putting a little anti-freeze in there with the water will stop that.

As for pads, the montys are ok. Long or short pads you'll still get the same braking power. Also have a look at the plazmatic CRM's and the echo pinks. Also if you can still get zoo pads i'd go for them. Any of the pads i've mentioned will be sooo much better than the pads you have now.

[Louth Trials]

hello would you like me to give you instructions as to how bleed your brake

with water

[JT!]

http://www.trials-forum.co.uk/forum/index....c=75610&hl=

[Sammmmy]

http://www.trials-forum.co.uk/forum/index....c=75610&hl=

okay man, thanks, the guide is really helpfull to also.

But that means there won't be any oil left in my brakes? Just running on water?

Sweet?

Anyone happen to know where to get zoo pads around Belgium?

Edited October 23, 2006 by Sammmmy

[ted]

Can I do this at a local bike shop?

- Can anyone suggest me a better model of pads for maggies? Perhaps a link? That would be awesome, because I don't really know what is good to buy and what is not.

The answer to your first question is yes, and that is what i would recommend because it is relatively inexpensive and will be better because you havent done it yourself before.

For pads i think that heatsink are a good choice and that is what i use myself ( the 'snowy' or 'blue' ones )

if the link below doesnt work then go to www.heatsinkbikes.com. (make sure you select the worldwide delivery option if you live outside the UK)

http://www.heatsinkbikes.com/?p=brakepads

[Sammmmy]

The answer to your first question is yes, and that is what i would recommend because it is relatively inexpensive and will be better because you havent done it yourself before.

For pads i think that heatsink are a good choice and that is what i use myself ( the 'snowy' or 'blue' ones )

if the link below doesnt work then go to www.heatsinkbikes.com. (make sure you select the worldwide delivery option if you live outside the UK)

http://www.heatsinkbikes.com/?p=brakepads

Nice one! I'm ordering those right away.. Thanks alot man !