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[anzo]

I am not a woman. I will never be a woman. Does that mean it's 100% unnatural?

I have never been a person who likes tomatoes. Does that mean they're unnatural?

"I've never experienced it and therefor find it 100% unnatural."

Its like saying riding up a wall on a bike is unnatural to the everyday person, but its not wrong, and to us its the norm. I never condemed it as being 'wrong' just 'unnatural'...theres a big difference.

[JT!]

At the end of the day, we watch naked guys in pron.

End of.

[poopipe]

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JT please explain how i contradicted myself in my drunken post. I've read it several times and can't figure it out - i'm sure you're right, im just being a bit dim.

edit:: i just came back to edit that myself I shouldnt drink in the daytime

Edited October 15, 2006 by poopipe

[Rich Pearson]

I think Rowan hit the nail well and truly and utterly on the head several times until the piece of wood shattered.

People are complaining that gay men try to broadcast their sexuality; straight men are just as bad, if not worse. The Alpha male attitude of some utter twats I've had to serve on friday nights where I work makes me want to go postal.

I will also agree with Rowan in that any act of sexual intercourse two men engage in is no different in any way to how men do to women. I think the thing about the positioning of the bits was looking into the subject a bit too deeply but we'll let that go...

I'd quite like to see a few answers as to WHY people think homosexuality is so bad? So far I havn't seen a good solid reason from everyone, its just been stuff along the lines of, "Its unnatural," or "Just because it is."

Its interesting how there are many people on here who wouldn't flinch at the thought of a twelve foot drop on a trials bike but run to the hills at the sight of a queer man.

And another thing, how many people would say the same kind of things about lesbians?

Rich

[JT!]

JT please explain how i contradicted myself in my drunken post. I've read it several times and can't figure it out - i'm sure you're right, im just being a bit dim.

Actually i've read it again and you didn't technically. Just ignore me.

[Davey]

And another thing, how many people would say the same kind of things about lesbians?

I can't believe we got to page 6 before someone mentioned this. I'd really like to know if those who find male homosexuality so unagreeable would say the same thing about lesbianism? If not then not only are you extremely hypocritical but that also pisses all over the chips of your unnatural and "its wrong" arguments.

Davey

[F-Stop Junkie]

There seems to be a strong 'I don't understand it, therefore I hate it' vibe.

Just as an example, how many people on here have looked at an XC mountain bike, or people riding cross-country, and just thought "why would anyone do that? It's not for me, I'd rather ride trials." It's the same thing, it's just the way you're wired.

If someone is proud of who they are, then more power to them. Too many people - gay, straight, or whatever - are afraid of doing something different and not being accepted. If someone is open about being gay, then great.

BTW, there seems to be a lot of aggression amongst the non-gay loving folk (ahem) such as Si-man's "its not asif i go up to a gay an mash his face in" or Willsey's "camp people should be shot, and gay men.. dont deserve a penis.. its just totally wrong.. when there camp i do get annoyed, and feel like getting out a 12 gauge..." and "dont start trying to big yourself up on the internet mate, you dont know me and you have never seen me fight"

Meh, just an observation.

I'd really like to know if those who find male homosexuality so unagreeable would say the same thing about lesbianism? If not then not only are you extremely hypocritical but that also pisses all over the chips of your unnatural and "its wrong" arguments.

People just like seeing two women going at it. It's like concentrated porn...

[Tomm]

BTW, there seems to be a lot of aggression amongst the non-gay loving folk (ahem) such as Si-man's "its not asif i go up to a gay an mash his face in" or Willsey's "camp people should be shot, and gay men.. dont deserve a penis.. its just totally wrong.. when there camp i do get annoyed, and feel like getting out a 12 gauge..." and "dont start trying to big yourself up on the internet mate, you dont know me and you have never seen me fight"

You're only a real man if you punch walls and fight. Real men don't accept homosexuality either. Also you've got to make it clear on the internets so people know just how damn straight you are. Roar! Feeeeel the testosterone.

[Concussion]

Can I mention, other forms of 'just the way I am / choices'...... or will I get kicked out?

PS: It ain't the P word.

[poopipe]

I can't believe we got to page 6 before someone mentioned this. I'd really like to know if those who find male homosexuality so unagreeable would say the same thing about lesbianism? If not then not only are you extremely hypocritical but that also pisses all over the chips of your unnatural and "its wrong" arguments.

Davey

The lesbians we all like aren't real lesbians - they're the pretend kind that kiss other girls in the pub to titillate men or make rude movies. Real lesbians are no more interesting to a straight man than gay men are.

edit:: not much point editing cos it's been quoted all over the shop now - I MISREAD CONCUSSION'S POST, HE'S NOT A fanny

concussion. .

kiddiefiddling is different - it's an adult picking on somebody who doesn't know what's going on so it's not consentual.

Edited October 17, 2006 by poopipe

[Davey]

The lesbians we all like aren't real lesbians - they're the pretend kind that kiss other girls in the pub to titillate men or make rude movies. Real lesbians are no more interesting to a straight man than gay men are.

Lesbians may not be any more interesting, but they don't get the same flaming as gay men. Ive NEVER heard a man say "Oh my god lesbians, they should be shot, it's unnatural"!

Peronally I say go kiss whoever the hell you want, I've kissed a guy before and wasn't keen on the stubble to be honest, but girls must see something in it so why not guys?

Davey

[spode@thinkbikes]

"People are complaining that gay men try to broadcast their sexuality; straight men are just as bad, if not worse. The Alpha male attitude of some utter twats I've had to serve on friday nights where I work makes me want to go postal."

Totally with you there. I don't particuarly like any extreme. Extreme females annoy me the most I'd say (think of the film "Clueless"). But especially over the top alpha males, who repress far too much in order to be that way.

It's all about balance, so that you can be who you really are without an over-compensation crap.

[poopipe]

Lesbians may not be any more interesting, but they don't get the same flaming as gay men. Ive NEVER heard a man say "Oh my god lesbians, they should be shot, it's unnatural"!

Davey

you sure?

I can think of plenty of times where I've heard (made) jokes about dungarees, big boots and short hair.

I'll grant you don't get the violent end of it so much but I reckon that's cos most of the gay bashers are too macho to beat up women they haven't married.

[Davey]

As Queen Gertrude said in Hamlet:

"The lady doth protest too much, me thinks".

In this case it's the men who doth protest too much, in other words some of these gay haters probably have homo-erotic feelings which they can't rationalise, which is why they claim to hate gays.

What I mean is a lot of gay bashing is actually surpressed homosexuality, a form of denial if you will. you know, guy has strange feelings towards men that he doesn't understand so he pushes these feelings deep down inside and covers them with outward displays of anti gay sentiment!

There's a thought for you all!

Davey

PS: For the record, this is only aimed at the very few people who have been rather aggressive in their anti gay sentiment. To those who have said they don't like it or don't agree with it or it makes them uncomfortable or whatever I say fair enough, if this thread was about "Fat chicks, yay or nay" I'd be arguing that I didn't like it, so that's no different. What I wouldn't do is suggest that people who do like it should be shot or that they are not good people!

Thank you all for your input!

Edited October 16, 2006 by Small_Gear_Big_Style

[chrishayton]

i dont get why people hate gay men just because they are gay, if it was their ( sterotypical) behaviour that they disliked then it would be more understandable as some people dislike camp people.

personally i dont give a damn if someone is gay, lesbian or straight.

one of my best mates is gay and i didnt treat him any differently to my straight mates.

the one thing i dislike about camp men though is that often they think they have the right to be bitchy and critical. eg telling a female friend they look fat/ or that they look ugly today, and then if you say ' that was a bit mean' they just respond with im gay, im allowed to (thats only from a couple of camp people i know so i aint tarring all gay people with the same brush and i know a huge amount of gay men arent in the slightest bit camp)

what ever you are, rich, poor, gay straight black, white, christian, jewish or muslim it doesnt mean you deserve to be treated ( or treat other people differently) just learn to be less predudice towards each other and people will live more happily together.

[anzo]

Right,

I think all the anti-gay comments are spawned from an uneducated mind. Usually people hate something because they either don't understand it OR they don't know about it.

I've seen a few times 'I don't mind gays' followed by 'my friend is gay'. We're influenced by things around us, most of the time people (especially younger ones) will hear the word 'gay' and think of Graham Norton, Boy George, that nonce on Coronation Street...anything in common? Yes, they're all annoying camp wankers.

I didn't have gay friends in school...Danny Foster...who knows? ...but seriously, all the gay ones that came out the closet about Year 9 I hated from Year 7...so it didn't really make a difference to me.

[Concussion]

concussion. .

kiddiefiddling is different - it's an adult picking on somebody who doesn't know what's going on so it's not consentual.

Hey, hang on......I said AIN'T as in NOT the P word. How stupid do you think I am?

Please take that back...... I'm a bit miffed your giving that impression of me. I stand by my original quote though, as extreme as it was!

ish!

Edited October 16, 2006 by Concussion

[Davey]

Hey, hang on......I said AIN'T as in NOT the P word. How stupid do you think I am?

Please take that back...... I'm a bit miffed your giving that impression of me. I stand by my original quote though, as extreme as it was!

ish!

Yeah gotta say you definitely said NOT the P word, I take it back on Poopipes behalf as he's not about and it's only fair that people don't start thinking you're that harsh!

I respect your views man, but do think you go a little far sometimes. You should try meeting a few actual gay men, not the overly camp theatrical ones who are all about the showing off, I mean the genuine manly as you and me just in love with other men gays, who work 9-5 jobs and go down the pub to watch the footy and swear and burp like regular guys, you probably wouldn't even realise and that should tell you something!

Davey

[spode@thinkbikes]

You should try meeting a few actual gay men, not the overly camp theatrical ones who are all about the showing off, I mean the genuine manly as you and me just in love with other men gays, who work 9-5 jobs and go down the pub to watch the footy and swear and burp like regular guys, you probably wouldn't even realise and that should tell you something!

Totally agree. One of my best friends is gay who originally had a wife and kids. Finding out he was gay (by piecing several clues together) did nothing but strengthen our relationship (not in that way ).

[Concussion]

Yeah gotta say you definitely said NOT the P word, I take it back on Poopipes behalf as he's not about and it's only fair that people don't start thinking you're that harsh!

I respect your views man, but do think you go a little far sometimes. You should try meeting a few actual gay men, not the overly camp theatrical ones who are all about the showing off, I mean the genuine manly as you and me just in love with other men gays, who work 9-5 jobs and go down the pub to watch the footy and swear and burp like regular guys, you probably wouldn't even realise and that should tell you something!

Davey

Thanks for that, I do go a little too far sometimes, especially when talking about music

I have met a few (would never have believed it) gay men and they were sound people... like they need my approval! I'm just saying it is unnatural wether that be male/female homosexuals / bonobo chimps / or my gay dog! I could bore the shit out whoever about making babies/reproduction of the species etc, but surly we all know the score on that one... look at nature programmes....not bonobo monkey ones obviously...them little `tards would stick it in anything!

I don't expect them to say "I'm a freak or something"....as if, and there not! But please don't make out it's a choice or something..... just accept it and keep it to yourself.... huh?

God forbid I have a kid and he/she thinks its a choice!

I don't know who the hell I'm talking too here btw!

Right thats it, my eyes are killing me, G`night

PS: I don't think I'll mention that other `choice` I was gonna talk about... just about got out of this hole I dug myself... I think!

[andyroo]

There are gay couples I know of that it took someone to tell me they were gay before I even realised. There are gay people who like to broadcast themselves as gay and act in a very stereotypically homosexual manner.

Those who act in that manner usually arent entirely sure themselves of their sexuality, and even more often are likely to be swinging the other way purely to be different and to gain attention. I also dont like it when people force there interests and beliefs upon you in a very smothering manner; the very essence of being camp is often an invasion of personal space in often a subliminily threatening manner i.e: if a straight bloke were to act in a similar fashion to a girl, all touchy feely, he may end up with kicked balls and a cell for the night.

A force of beliefs upon someone in a suffocating manner doesnt just occur with homosexuality, it occurs also with religion, hobbies, work etc.

Now; I dont agree with homosexuality, but I dont hate those that do it. I believe it IS unnatural and wrong, but I also believe that I should treat everyone as equal and that I shouldn't judge.

So... It's up to the individual to make their choice, but they need to make it own their own without pressure or influence from others so they know its what they really want.

And finally; I think putting things in bottoms is just odd, I mean, who ever thought of it? Its smells, its dirty, and very unhygenic... bleuargh...

[Davey]

I'm just saying it is unnatural wether that be male/female homosexuals / bonobo chimps / or my gay dog! I could bore the shit out whoever about making babies/reproduction of the species etc, but surly we all know the score on that one... look at nature programmes....not bonobo monkey ones obviously...them little `tards would stick it in anything!

You're right, I won't deny that it's not the way nature intended at all, but can I ask a mildly personal question? Do you use condoms? I'm guessing that as for 99% of us the answer is yes! I don't think nature would take too kindly to those either, given their main purpose is to prevent the furthering of the species!

The fact is clearly what we are all doing with our partners be it male of female has little to do with making babies and more to do with simply getting our rocks off (Poopipe in your case it was a bit of both) and when it comes to doing that we all have our perversions and frankly gay sex is mild compared to what some people on here have been up to!!

Davey

[poopipe]

Hey, hang on......I said AIN'T as in NOT the P word. How stupid do you think I am?

Please take that back...... I'm a bit miffed your giving that impression of me. I stand by my original quote though, as extreme as it was!

ish!

:$

obviously didn't read your post properly in the first place .

Because of that, I thought you were suggesting that kiddiefiddling is a 'life choice' in the same way that being a bummer is and I was pointing out that it's not really the same kettle of fish.

anyway, apologies for any distress caused. I can't use drunk as an excuse for misreading because I was at work - I'll use stress instead

[Davetrials]

You're only a real man if you punch walls and fight. Real men don't accept homosexuality either. Also you've got to make it clear on the internets so people know just how damn straight you are. Roar! Feeeeel the testosterone.

uve been quoted girlfriend.

[Has anyone seen my shoe?]

I dont care about gay people, they can bum men if they like, they should realise however that I dont like shoving my penis up mens bums and leave me alone.