Willsey Posted September 18, 2006 Report Share Posted September 18, 2006 I jus bought some new echo full build wheels and when i start riding quite hard on the rear, the back wheel learns to the left, and rubs on my maggies and i cant get it back until i undo the wheel... i twisted up an allen key just tightening it as much as i could.. has anyone got any suggestions or ideas? its really getting to me now dammit!thanks! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fishy Posted September 18, 2006 Report Share Posted September 18, 2006 Snapped Axel? Or the frame could be twisted and needs to be trued to your frame? Happened with my monty I had. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeza Posted September 18, 2006 Report Share Posted September 18, 2006 I had this problem in my old koxx, the dropouts were worn and it just seemed to slip as they are quite smooth, so i added some washers that had grip on one side... still didnt really fix it, brought a new frame in the end needed one anyway Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
basher Posted September 18, 2006 Report Share Posted September 18, 2006 what snail cams you using as i found some to be poo. i did a snail cam review on a few snail cams if you use search you should be able to find it and hopefully it will help you. also if you are running a deng frame you will not be able to run chain tugs with out making some adjustments with an angle grinder. give tarty a call and order some normal onza tugs and they will tell you where to grind to make them fit if you ask, thats if you want to run tugs instead of snail cams. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Willsey Posted September 18, 2006 Author Report Share Posted September 18, 2006 i dont like the way this is sounding at all... well i would just get a disc but Zona frames dont have rear disc mounts.. i might try some more washers and some new chain chugs... im using echo snails... i dont reallly undestand how they work.. sounds stupid doesnt it.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JT! Posted September 18, 2006 Report Share Posted September 18, 2006 Tightening the axel bolt tighter wont do much.With the chain tuggs, set them up as you do, tighten the axel bolts, then turn the bolt on the chain tuggs round a few times, it kinda takes up the slack.I haven't used the toothless snail cams, but my fresh products one's are great, becuase they have teeth there isn't really any possible way for them to slip. The only problem i have with them is that i have to use some mole grips to make them move onto the next tooth, but once they're there, they arn't budging.FP chain tuggs definalty worth a try. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Willsey Posted September 19, 2006 Author Report Share Posted September 19, 2006 thanks alot mate i think i might have to invest in some then.. im going to buy myself some better chugs tonight from halfords, as my ones are pretty pants.. they just seem to bend and drill my frame instead of work.. ill get some pics up of the old and new.. and my situation to see if it could possibly help..thanks alot guys for all the help.. ive got a much better idea on the subject now Ill keep you lot informed on whats happened Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dan6061 Posted September 19, 2006 Report Share Posted September 19, 2006 Snails cams wouldn't work in a Zona Zip frame, as they don't have the holes in the dropouts fot the small bolt.Normally, you screw a small bolt into a hole at the end of the dropout, and the snail cams hit that, and as you turn the cams, the wheels moves back because of the shape of the cams.Should seem more obvious if you look at the cams.I use gusset tensioners on my Zona, and they can be a pain in the arse sometimes. - The plate that the wheel bolts/axle goes through has bent. - Can make it harder to set it up, and I can't bend it back as I don't have a vice.If you can, try taking the Echo snail cams off, and just use your tensioners. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaRtZ Posted September 19, 2006 Report Share Posted September 19, 2006 Problem is definitly the dropouts. My zona does exactly the same thing because (as someone above said) the dropouts are smooth. Either roughen up the surface of the dropout, use some knurled washers or......get a new frame Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Willsey Posted September 19, 2006 Author Report Share Posted September 19, 2006 Problem is definitly the dropouts. My zona does exactly the same thing because (as someone above said) the dropouts are smooth. Either roughen up the surface of the dropout, use some knurled washers or......get a new frameok then mate well i guess its going to be the washers im guna go for .. the bike is just so amazing to ride, and this (and a new freewheel) is the only thing stopping me from riding this without any problems.. ill get some washers tonight Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hardcore_raver Posted September 19, 2006 Report Share Posted September 19, 2006 well if everything is tight and the wheel is leaning to the left check the spoke tension, if thats ok then the only thing i could suggest is trueing the wheel to the right (tighten the right side spokes). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Willsey Posted September 19, 2006 Author Report Share Posted September 19, 2006 this is getting to me now! i got the new snafu tensioners..and the just bent out the other way as soon as a i went to ride... i cant think of much more grrranyone else got any suggestions? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26inch Posted September 19, 2006 Report Share Posted September 19, 2006 this takes some effort, but works great and looks clean, Work out the optimum position for the wheel in the dropoutmeasure the distence between the axle nd front of dropoutmake spacers this length to fit between your axle and dropoutHey presto, your wheel shouldnt move, Alternativly get a hub with m10 bolts like a profile so you can crank them up Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
I-LUV-TRIALS Posted September 19, 2006 Report Share Posted September 19, 2006 (edited) make sure the bearings in your hub are tight and the axle isn't moving within the hub, i have this problem and its a pain in the ass. hope this helps Edited September 19, 2006 by I-LUV-TRIALS Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
basher Posted September 20, 2006 Report Share Posted September 20, 2006 just run proper chain tugs and not bmx ones, tartybikes will have them and seeing as you have a zona the dropouts are ok to take the tugs with nothing having to be done to them with an angle grinder. snail cams are just pants and bmx tensioner will just bend or drill into you frame as they are for bmxs which have longer dropouts. you could have solved this along time ago if you had of read my snail cam review and got some snail cams with notches or just bought some normal onza trials tugs Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
abe Posted September 20, 2006 Report Share Posted September 20, 2006 are you sure its the wheel if it is only rubbing on your pads? when ever i press my brake it never goes to wherever they first started.try this.hold the left brake pad firmly with your finger and pull the lever hard let the lever go then take your finger off, then spin your wheel if it still rubs it is your wheel .abe. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Apocalypse_reaper666 Posted September 21, 2006 Report Share Posted September 21, 2006 when i converted my mtb into a single speed i had the same problem! it sounds weird but certain chains fit too snug and cause the wheel to move no matter how tight you do the bolts or quick relece! i even snapped a quich releace doing it! try replacing the chain. a different make of chain. KMC? i replaced my chain and its perfect! or use a dmr or a push up ir push down tentioner instead? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orgun_Donor Posted September 21, 2006 Report Share Posted September 21, 2006 If your still looking for chain tugs, im currently running some profile ones on my 24Seven Holroyd. You may need to grind them down a little to get them to fit poperly, but never had a problem with them and they hug my frame nice and tight.... and they aint going to snap if you land on them! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex.loves.boys Posted September 21, 2006 Report Share Posted September 21, 2006 Do you have the snail cam bolt in the frame? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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