Ufos?

[Josephine]

I dont see that there is any way that they cant exsist the universe is so big there must be something else out there....

This argument is kind of a double-edged sword. The universe is so improbably vast that the chances of other life existing are extremely good, even intelligent life is probable. However, due to aforementioned improbable vastness it's also extremely likely that we'll never so much as see extra-terrestrial life, let alone travel to it/have it travel to us.

Joe x

[munkee]

I didn't take offence Space, I just thought i'd point out the error in your ways, what with you thinking your argument for 'space being big' was convering all bases, when really that itself is a very shallow view, considering my arguments!

If narrow minded f**ktards are people who don't understand something as much as someone else, you are one!

It is though.. you know as much as the next person about whats out there. Simple enough idea to work out that the probability of somewhere like earth existing is stupidly high. Taking in to account the universe is 13 billion years old gives plenty of time for any form of life to evolve and aquire technology. Its a lot and ifs and buts but think of it this way.. if we used the full capacity of our brains would we be more advanced than we are now? of course we would. Even now we are capable of listening in to parts of our galaxy, seeing further out than that with earth only being 4.5 billion years old. Where humans have been found to be only 160,000 years old. All of the facts are there.. its not a case of people being over imaginative. There is simply no evidence to dissaprove that there isnt any life out there that is more than capable of coming to see us. No one ever said that they had to make their presence known, or to contact us directly.

[Extreme_biker0]

You're right, there is no evidence that there ISN'T any life out there. That would be very hard to come by (we'd basically have had to search every nook and cranny of space and found nothing). But like you say, we CAN look out into space, and so far what have we seen? NOTHING!

Absence of evidence is not, however, evidence of absence.

It's just that even now, as a species we are very detectable becasue we emit a lot of radio waves. And as we become more advance, we emit even more radio waves. You'd think that a very advanced species would light up the night f**kin sky with all their gizmos and gadgets! So why can't we see them?

Relating back to the original point of the topic, yeah, aliens exist, but the flying tea pots and specs of light in the sky are NOT them

[munkee]

You're right, there is no evidence that there ISN'T any life out there. That would be very hard to come by (we'd basically have had to search every nook and cranny of space and found nothing). But like you say, we CAN look out into space, and so far what have we seen? NOTHING!

Absence of evidence is not, however, evidence of absence.

It's just that even now, as a species we are very detectable becasue we emit a lot of radio waves. And as we become more advance, we emit even more radio waves. You'd think that a very advanced species would light up the night f**kin sky with all their gizmos and gadgets! So why can't we see them?

Relating back to the original point of the topic, yeah, aliens exist, but the flying tea pots and specs of light in the sky are NOT them

But no one said they had to do everything that we do? until the whole "flying saucer" image became known did we ever really produce something remotely shaped the same? Do "aliens" even need radio/microwaves?

Are we "listening" for the right things? Simply cant say that.. earlier you said how fast light travels, fastest thing we know of yes? .. 13 billion year old galaxy which is constantly expanding im guessing it may take a while for things to "light up".

[nmt_oli]

An interesting theory I heard was maybe UFO's do exist BUT there not Aliens and there not a seceret US military project. The other possibility is that they could be humans but from the future, if we as a species eventually discover time travel then we may wish to go back in time to study our history (which of cause would be our present). Anyway it would explain A. why the technology is far more advanced than our own and B. it would explain why they do there best not to be seen, if you were to interfere too much with the timeline then you could change the entire future through cause and effect. Anyway just a little theory I thought I would throw in.

now that, that is very very interesting indeed as a theory. i wont go into any more detail here, as this thread will go WAAAAY off topic, but thanks for putting that thought into my head.

I concur with most of whats been said so far- life almost certainly exists / has existed / will exist in other parts of the universe, but it is unlikely that we will see it.

Unless that is, space time and string theory and all that crap can be figured out, so distance no longer maters, and niether will time, bringing us back to the time travel thing, which is why i find it interesting.

[Mr_Pitbull]

Will you people have a nice cup of SFTU!

Nimoy knows all.

[munkee]

Will you people have a nice cup of SFTU!

Nimoy knows all.

Posting something useful next time.

[Extreme_biker0]

Will you people have a nice cup of SFTU!

Nimoy knows all.

Shit yeah i take it all back i forgot about him!

[Mr_Pitbull]

Posting something useful next time.

Its about UFO's though. And im not posting an opinion for it to get slated.

[Jaffacakes]

Too tell the truth, I think its a bit naive for us to think we're the smartest living things.

The universe is just so stupidly huge. That we couldn't possibly be the only species in it. We're only just descovering if there's any life on mars and that's still f**king far away, don't get me wrong, but is close in comparison to the size of the universe if you get me?

Me and my mate's saw 2 ufo's hovering above some houses around half a mile away from us. We were watching them for about 5 mins just hovering there, then they just went.

Granted we were sitting on the beach at about 1am pissed and stoned out our faces but we all saw it. It span the f**k out of us, we didn't really treat it serious or anything though, we were just like "sick, thats awesome"

The universe just spins me out so much though, where does it start/end and whats there when it ends?

[yoyoyo]

How do we even know the universe is so big. Because we are told so by scientists. Sure we can see our galaxy but how do we know that it expands past there. We can see planets in our solar system through most normal telescopes. But to see past galaxies, we need those big radar ones.

These guys are employed by Nasa and co, have big qualifications and are paid mass amounts of money. They have to produce something otherwise people would question their need. Now look at the special effects we can make in films these days, why can't they produce fake pictures of galaxies. Just so we think they are doing something worthwhile.

How do we know were not being brainwashed like Hitler did for hitler's youth and the jews. We have never seen a galaxy, we are simply told about them. After all people doubt we even made it to the moon.

To sum up, how do we know our universe is so big, how do we know that it is so big there must be more life.

I don't believe this, it's just something i made up on the spot to be an argumentative sod.(Not that i'm going to argue my point) Just something to throw out there.

Also, while reading the bit about films and how realistic they look these days, an amature could do some small stuff on his home pc. And for eyewitnesses, i sometimes think i see things like ghosts but it's just something catching my eye, and they way my brain works is to think of the more interesting theory instead of just some light catching my eye.

[beigemaster]

now that, that is very very interesting indeed as a theory. i wont go into any more detail here, as this thread will go WAAAAY off topic, but thanks for putting that thought into my head.

Please go into more detail, may be a bit off topic but it might help prevent the cat fights.

Edited September 10, 2006 by beigemaster

[nmt_oli]

Its all about the string theory and stuff, which i dont remember as much about as i would like- read a little about it. but i don't know if it would be applicable as itsnot directly related to UFOs, although is related to the universe, but is more likely to caus emore arguments.

Its basically to do with time and space being interlinked, and not actually constant even though we percive it as constant. this so called space time is made up of strings, and if you join them up in a certain way and can devise a way of traveling along these new paths you effectively 'jump' from on point in space to another instantaniously - which can also be concieved as going nowhere but doing it for a very long time.

Also, scientists have current proof that there is something that maybe faster than the speed of light.

As far as most people know all comunication is done by EM radiation- light, is part of the EM spectrum. however, is nuclear particle physics if you split atoms down into there component forms- quarks, basons, anti quarks ect, there is one- i can't remember which, that can comunicate with its 'anti' and its instantaneous. if you move it, its anti moves. also, if they come into contact with one another they anhialate each other and dissapear!

There is still a lot to discover, and i hoighly doubt our species will live long enough, due to environmental constrictions, and us wanting to kill each other the whole time, long enough to realise our full potential.

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[Extreme_biker0]

Please go into more detail, may be a bit off topic but it might help prevent the cat fights.

It is an interesting topic, and if you're bored and interested, I recommend reading up on chaos theory (pollution of the timeline) and 4th and 5th dimensions (time and possibility, respectively). These things need to be understood to discuss the plausability of this theory, really.

A lot of very clever people have already thought a lot about these things, and it's all out there for you to understand. Sounds nerdy as hell but it's interesting stuff

[Jaffacakes]

It all sound's a bit "star trecky" to me...

[nmt_oli]

still very interesting, a bit heavy if you dont have a reasnoble science background from school though, can get confusing. I did seperate sciences, and A level physics so makes a bit of sense to me, but still way out of my league.

Plus, star trek's cool

[nb88]

Aliens dont exist

Humans are the greatest

the end

[Mr Dave]

Im not really very up on all this stuff, but IMO (logically to me) Humans areone species? of millions (surely)and coincidently the cleverest. so really, i think the chances of "aliens" being cleverer than us, isnt particulary high. therefore meaning,(as someone has already said) eg. a cat, isnt really guna be able to build a space ship capable of visiting us, expecially as its quite likely, that they would have to travel quite the distance to reach us, as, as i belive scientists have ruled out the "closest" planets to us, as unihabitable, well for the type of species we know.

however i also find the time travel theory very intresting! just imagine, if they came back in time and told us?!?!? what would happen, what if, in the future, time travel became like msn, you could be contacted by yourself

personally for me its one of those things your brain just doenst even contimplate, as im sure you could spend the rest of your life wondering

i apolagise for the crappyness of my spelling

Dave

[ZeroMatt]

The general view is that human race only exists as an extreme coincidence and we wont be staying around for much longer, meaning that we will only have been around for an extremely short time in the great scheme of things. So the chances of another form of intelligent life coincidentally coming in to existence at around the same time and is still around is extremely low, then adding on top of that the probability of the these "aliens" building technology that would be able to find us and them being able to get to us during this short time is so low that it is bordering upon impossible. Meaning that the chances of these ufo's originating from another planet is neigh on impossible, the most probable explanation is that these objects are actually governmental secrets of some global superpower pissing about trying to get the upper hand on another country.

This is one of the theories which is totally speculative,Aurora

Another theory is the americans trying to create machines to alter the effects of gravity enabling extremely quick flight and maneuverability, and because the only way to do this is to have the craft in the shape of a saucer can mean that nearly all sightings could possibly be related to it.Avro

[Euro Braker]

Have you heard about USOs (unidentified submarine objects). Why would they want to come into our seas?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unidentified_submarine_object

[1a2bcio8]

I think this is one of those things that people can make sensible statements about in regards to the if it's true or not. All you can say is "i don't know".

And if you bring science into this arguement, and the apparant laws of the universe, remember we are always finding our ideas of those laws to be different as we develop. What appears to be a correct inference at this time will probably be found to be wrong in some sense, in the future.

When I look into space, I see these little lights, that I'm told are stars like what I'm told the sun is in my galaxy. If this is true then I see no reason why there can't be planets that can harvest life as this one we live on does. At the same I have to say seeing as I've never seen one of these planets, well then I don't know for sure. It's kind of a 50/50 from where I'm sitting. I think this is the same for the idea of if aliens have visited from another planet. I see no reason, especially based on the seemlingly hugh evolution of technology on our planet that another race, who might have been about for longer or who have developed faster have not produced the technology to do so. And maybe if they do and haven't contacted us, maybe it's because they realise we are still at a very unrational, emotively charged, thinking part of our existence and are waiting for us to leave that point. At the same time, maybe not, maybe this is undisclosed earth technology, or some other unexplained phenomena, maybe it's us from the future, maybe it's fake?

The point is, known of you really know. You might be right, but you don't know if you know. Thinking you definitely know closes your mind to other ideas and effectively makes you stupid, because then you only consider limited options, you have a narrow way of thinking.

Edited September 11, 2006 by rowly

[Synergy]

it all gets very confusing and weird to me.

like i get some argument and then the others sides,

people are syaing aliens would be 1 in millions etc and that it just wudnt happen, what about us we happened, the "big bang" happened that cant of been a 1in 5 chance could it? (also nother topic how do we know it werea big bang and not just a pop fizzle or whiz? )

a part of me would like to think there was aliens out there but the other part becuase of that would hate it as i think most people are scared of the unknown.

what if there was aliens but they were in same boat(or space shuttle ) as us , they are at there planet seeing ufos? then discussing it and saying exactly the same that there cant be anyone else apart from them etc.

there is a lot of unexplained things in the world and people demand explanations. maybe "ufos" is just a made up explanation to put us at rest or not at rest?

what if governments have a lot more knowledge than they are letting on and these ufos are actually test that armys are doing? maybe area 51 does exist, maybe it doesnt.

sorry for my ramble of heaps of questions that probably make no sense. im not causing arguemnts if anyone takes what i said the wrong way or if it a bit of topic but its just whats in my mind.

[yoyoyo]

maybe area 51 does exist, maybe it doesnt.

If i remember rightly. It does exist, just not as a 'alien research' place. As in it's just another air base. Might be a load of rubbish, but thats what i remember been told by a few different people.

Edit: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Area_51

Edited September 11, 2006 by yoyoyo

[Dan6061]

Somewhere in the universe, billions of miles away, there is another number of 'people'/aliens thinking the exact same thing.

"There must be something else out there...right?"

Found this website on Google - www.igotabducted.com

Their abduction stories are all bullshit. It's so easy to post up anything on there.

My example.

Guess who 'John' is.

Edited September 11, 2006 by Dan6061

[RicH_87]

Part 1

Part 2

watch them both, very interesting evidence in there, especially the stuff relating right back to the stone age.

Also, note that the US govenment/air force could fly on the EDGE OF SPACE in 1960 undetected and photograph russia. If they had that sort of technology back then, its scary to even imagine what they can do nowadays.

Incase you don't want to watch the two videos i posted above, the basic jist is that to fly as fast as UFO's fly, you have to be light, so light infact that your weight is negative. In order to be this light, you have to have a system that actually causes the spacecraft to be invisible to anything other than in the infa red field.

Therefore, even if UFO's are 100% real, we couldn't see them with our eyes anyway. There could be one right out side your window right now and you wouldn't know, unless you had an infa red camera.

The NASA spacecenter/spaceshuttle cameras are infa red so they can opperate in space, therefore they pick up 100's on UFO's all the time, just nasa don't like to talk about it, and try to pass them off as other things like space debris.

In my opinion, UFO's are real, they do exist. wether they work flawlessley and can travel at lightspeed i don't know, but i can't see and reason why they can't. They have been in development for years and year and years, the germans were trying to develop flying saucers back in world war 2. Their underground lab was filled in before the end of the war and has never been re opened. The US government were quick to still what blueprints they could though.

The main reason people won't believe in UFO's is becasue they don't want to admit something to huge as that could be kept secret from them. But it so easily could. The Stealth Bomber was only descovered becasue an amature photographer took random photos of a pitch black sky when her heard a noise. Otherwise that plane would still be unknown to the public today.