Sam F Posted September 7, 2006 Report Share Posted September 7, 2006 Well everyone kept going on how good heatsink pads and that are and i couldn't find a site that sold them until i saw 1 of the adverts on trials-forum so i clicked on it and there like 25-32 quid is that expensive or not? Sam. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeCottTrials Posted September 7, 2006 Report Share Posted September 7, 2006 £25 isnt that bad really but i personally would just get some koxx bloxx, or echo pads. but i have got a smooth rim so the heatsinks wouldnt be that great a choice for me Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew_Gibson Posted September 7, 2006 Report Share Posted September 7, 2006 there £14 whats the deal there. CNC backing are more expensive though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark W Posted September 7, 2006 Report Share Posted September 7, 2006 Sounds like they're the ones with backings, unless you're looking abroad or something I think I'm still more in favour of the Koxx pads, but Heatsinks seem to be doing pretty well for a lot of people... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Egg Fried Rice Posted September 7, 2006 Report Share Posted September 7, 2006 i think your looking at the CNC backing ones, which are the best "pads" ive used with reds, and the refills are only £8 which i think is amazing for price and their amazing pads too, i wont even try another pad.JK Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Walleee Posted September 7, 2006 Report Share Posted September 7, 2006 It's you. They are great pads, cheaper than many others. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Burton Posted September 7, 2006 Report Share Posted September 7, 2006 The CnC'd backings are top stuff. Saves you money in the long run, stiffens your brake and increases performance.But if you don't fancy them, then their is always the Heatsink powerpad backing pads, which are £14. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CBProductions Posted September 7, 2006 Report Share Posted September 7, 2006 You pay for quality and In my opinion heatsink pads are the quality. I have had my cousts a while now and have been an on an off rider and they stop and hold in any kind of weather. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sam F Posted September 7, 2006 Author Report Share Posted September 7, 2006 Erm.. i went on heatsinkbikes.com..? which site am i ment to go on? Sam. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
onzatprodude Posted September 7, 2006 Report Share Posted September 7, 2006 you got the right site but you can purchase pads for £14 too it depends on the backings as coust pads ar £19 but coustsinks are £32 because of the cnc (metal) backings but both have the same material in Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Burton Posted September 7, 2006 Report Share Posted September 7, 2006 You need to remember that a guy whos got more engineering qualification and knowledge than fingers and toes, is making your pads for you, by hand, so you know its quality your getting for such a small price.British stuff Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rickycoleman Posted September 7, 2006 Report Share Posted September 7, 2006 £14 for a pair of pads is cheaper than its competitors, and They are of higher quality imo.You must have been looking at the 'Coust Sinks' with the CNC'ed backings, and even so i have had a go with those bad boys and they are worth every penny. Im currently running the new 'snowy' pads on a light grind and they are fantastic. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
munkee Posted September 8, 2006 Report Share Posted September 8, 2006 Higher quality? where are people getting all these facts from ive never had a set of dodgy looking pads from anywhere to be honest. Zoo pads are shit as f**k but seem to be moulded .. you cant get any better quality than that. Its the same as the heatsinks.. so you cant really say they are of a higher quality since they all just use the same processes. I still dont see how cnc backings are going to change feck all when it comes to braking. The extra stiffness is going to be so damn negligeable that they are pretty much pointless even then though i fail to see in which direction this is even in at end of the day. My 2p.. not being a heatsink hater or anything its just.. id rather see the time spent on finding an amazing compound than making some cnc backings. That was how it started out wasnt it? great performance pads for cheaper than the current ones on the market? but people seem to just go through bumming sessions of saying they are the best pads ever made and then a month or two later it all turns around again. There needs to be a high standard set once again im going to have to bring up plazmatics..or even koxx browns.. been around for yonks and everyone knows they can get a decent brake out of them. Not wanting to even have a go at steve here.. its happenening everywhere.. would be nice to see some collaboration to get a decent pad made instead of people releasing a diff compound every couple of months. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ali C Posted September 8, 2006 Report Share Posted September 8, 2006 I noticed the extra stiffness of the cnc backings. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ben_travis Posted September 8, 2006 Report Share Posted September 8, 2006 agreeing with ali im afraid......not that i dont like agreeing with ali, its just fun to argue with him i noticed a terribly amazing difference with cnc backings actually Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ali C Posted September 8, 2006 Report Share Posted September 8, 2006 we can agree with things that aint bb hight related Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hobnobs Posted September 8, 2006 Report Share Posted September 8, 2006 CNC backings made a hell of a difference to my brake. The coust pads were extremely well made, i've seen bloxx which were cut wonky, so thats where the better quality comes from. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
munkee Posted September 8, 2006 Report Share Posted September 8, 2006 I noticed the extra stiffness of the cnc backings. agreeing with ali im afraid......not that i dont like agreeing with ali, its just fun to argue with him i noticed a terribly amazing difference with cnc backings actually But where? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heatsink Posted September 8, 2006 Report Share Posted September 8, 2006 you cant really say they are of a higher quality since they all just use the same processes. Not true. if you take some of the other well known pads and inspect them, force them out of the backings you will see that they have been made in different ways. Contrast for example Koxx, Monty and Plazmatic pads. The process of getting the pad the correct size is different for each:1. Koxx are moulded and the braking faces are ground in an effort to make these flat.2. Monty are machined out of a moulded strip, with 1.5mm of submerged pad (which simplifies the machining requirement). Then the far ends are ground. You can only get away with 1.5mm deep of submersion if the pad is a harder compound otherwise the material will be too compliant and tearing will occur that overcomes the glue3. Heatsink & Plazmatic pads are moulded with no post op grinding.The extra stiffness is going to be so damn negligeable that they are pretty much pointless even then though i fail to see in which direction this is even in at end of the day. I'll leave it to riders to judge whether the CNCed backings give noticeable stiffness improvements The direction that it went in was one of firstly offering a great performing and very affordable pad, then offering an uber-pimp component for those that want super quality innovative components on their bikes. It seems rather unfair to criticise me for bringing a pimp component to the market (offering quality components for riders was something commendable I thought, and is much more financially challenging and risky for a rider to sort out than for a huge Trials empire) especially since even if you disagree that they offer any performance benefits, in the long run they end up being cheaper to run due to the low price of refills. I'm trying to offer riders more innovative and quality products and I don't see other manufacturers being criticised for this! Both the great value and the pimp brake products are available side by side, so surely that's good work by any company to offer solutions to cater for a wide array of different rider demands?...would be nice to see some collaboration to get a decent pad made instead of people releasing a diff compound every couple of months.I'm sticking with my compounds since most riders think they're pretty decent from what I hear and read on the forum. Some of these compounds I've been making pads in for over 2 years and plan to make no changes to the compounds. It's the whole assembly process which I've been improving over the years since I discovered that there are so many subtle changes that can be made which optimise things further.Steve Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sam Nichols Posted September 8, 2006 Report Share Posted September 8, 2006 (edited) To be honest this topic only needed one answer.. "Is It Me Or Are Heatsink Pads Expensive?" NOIs it me or recently is Steve getting a bit of stick about his products? Perhaps that's one of the problems about it going from a really small time operation of a few pads up to a full on Estore selling not just pads but components too. At the end of the day these pads do work. If you want cheap get the plastic. If you want value for money over time and sex on your bike get the cnc'd backings.And anyway, when was the last time you ordered a set of koxx bloxx and had a little handwritten note on the pad packaging? Never.Steve for the win, I love my reds Edited September 8, 2006 by nichols_sam Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Biff... Posted September 8, 2006 Report Share Posted September 8, 2006 £25 isnt that bad really but i personally would just get some koxx bloxx, or echo pads. but i have got a smooth rim so the heatsinks wouldnt be that great a choice for me heatsink reds would. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heatsink Posted September 8, 2006 Report Share Posted September 8, 2006 Is it me or recently is Steve getting a bit of stick about his products? On one hand it's nice that I'm fairly regularily on TF and have always thought (like other rider run shops that have started up) that it's pretty beneficial to riders if queries can be answered direct on TF. On the other hand, by making yourself more accessable to riders you have to deal with posts like Chris' - It's a fact of life and totally disassociated from what I'm doing and who I am I think. Certainly, I've yet to find what his beef is with little me!Some shops have decided to avoid being available on TF, but I hope that I can continue to offer riders the convenience of being able to pose questions to me, whilst staying sufficiently professional when under attack, no matter how groundless the accusations are!Spacemunkee Chris, I hope my reply to your strong post clears up those issues you were questioning.I think the original query has been answered too....Steve Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gavyn. Posted September 9, 2006 Report Share Posted September 9, 2006 the pads are not expensive at all, they are high quality and hand made buy a rider aswell as company owner.other pads are made buy people who don't ride so have no idea how we like are pads. however i do think coustsinks are slightly over rated and maybe slightly over priced but all the other pads seem to be great and good value for money. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mat hudson Posted September 9, 2006 Report Share Posted September 9, 2006 i thought one of the aims you had was never to charge much more than 10 quid, steve? or am i just making stuff up in my head Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RandomHero Posted September 9, 2006 Report Share Posted September 9, 2006 I think the pads can be expensive.But if you purchase pads if the 'normal' backings from heatsink they are all pretty much the same price as other pads.Its when you add on different parts such as the cnc backings that they become expensive. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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