poopipe Posted September 1, 2006 Report Share Posted September 1, 2006 righty.I have a t-pro frame and a t-lite frameThe t-pro frame has a headset and a bottom bracket in it and I want to put both of these items in my t-lite.my spanner won't fit my BB tool so I figured I'd start with the headset...I pulled the bearings and the top internal cup (not the black bit, the bit inside it that the bearings sit in) out of the t-pro headtube and compared it to the size of the hole in the headtube of my t-lite and it looks a bit like the cup is too big to fit inside the black cup holding thingy.I'm a bit frightened of just bashing it in in case I bust something - should the internal cup thing fit inside the black thingy or not? I don't really want to buy a new headset for it, I want to spend my money on beer instead Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Caleb Posted September 1, 2006 Report Share Posted September 1, 2006 im sure all interal headtubes have the same taper/dia so i reckon you try knocking it in, maybe with a block of wood over the cup though like, and see if it eases in.this is comig from someone who put a externa headset in my old nackered megamo cause i couldnt afford an internal, but i still think my point is valid Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jaffacakes Posted September 1, 2006 Report Share Posted September 1, 2006 A bent screwdrivers always done the job for me. I wouldn't do it if the frame wasn't nackered though... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heatsink Posted September 1, 2006 Report Share Posted September 1, 2006 Using screw drivers to remove headset cups and blocks of wood to insert them is fraught with the risk of damaging components/frames! I can understand why it's common to wrestle with doing it this way though since the cost of the 2 tools is at least £65.If you come up to ride Cambourne on your BMX sometime soon I can sort the job out with the correct tools in 5mins ^ Headset press, Cyclus^ Headset cup remover (use a hammer with this), Park toolsSteve Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
poopipe Posted September 1, 2006 Author Report Share Posted September 1, 2006 I can't see how the removal tool would work on an internal headset cos there's no lip on the cups to bash it against. I might well take up that offer on the inserting thing. Just from looking at the bits I can tell that trying to bash the cup in with the hammer/wood combo would be a nightmare cos of the lack of a lip.I can't ride at the moment cos I killed my knee but if it's cool with you I might try to get the missus to run me out to see you and get it sorted anyway. I'll give you a ring over the weekend and we'll sort it out Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heatsink Posted September 1, 2006 Report Share Posted September 1, 2006 I can't see how the removal tool would work on an internal headset cos there's no lip on the cups to bash it against. I might well take up that offer on the inserting thing. Just from looking at the bits I can tell that trying to bash the cup in with the hammer/wood combo would be a nightmare cos of the lack of a lip.I can't ride at the moment cos I killed my knee but if it's cool with you I might try to get the missus to run me out to see you and get it sorted anyway. I'll give you a ring over the weekend and we'll sort it out I don't know anything about internal headsets, but if you can make use of the headset press then you're very welcome! I know from my own experience what a headache it was inserting headsets before I bought the tool. Now it's the job that is the easiest when building a bike.Will catch you later Steve Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Si-man Posted September 1, 2006 Report Share Posted September 1, 2006 (edited) You trying to stick a cup into a cup That's what it sounds like to me.There should be no black part (cup) in the other frame, if there is just hit it out an stick the one from your t pro in it.Read that again and im still , get us pictures lol Edited September 1, 2006 by Si-man Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ogre Posted September 1, 2006 Report Share Posted September 1, 2006 Are you sure you havent got headset cups already in the t lite? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Si-man Posted September 1, 2006 Report Share Posted September 1, 2006 Are you sure you havent got headset cups already in the t lite? yer thats what im thinking Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
poopipe Posted September 1, 2006 Author Report Share Posted September 1, 2006 (edited) yer thats what im thinking on the t-pro (source frame) there's the tube, inside that is a black thingy and inside that is another cup thing and inside that are the bearingson the t-lite (destination frame) there's the tube, inside that is a black thingy. ergo, (what with them both having internal headsets) the 'another cup thing' must go into the black thing on the t-lite or there'd be a bit missingI'm not sure the black things are supposed to come out Edited September 1, 2006 by poopipe Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Caleb Posted September 1, 2006 Report Share Posted September 1, 2006 yeah im guessing the t-lite is a bare frame as j-t is still selling the internal headset from it, and it wouldnt be a headset without the cups .i still say nice long screw driver, then tap the cups in and maybe press em in using a headlock Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark W Posted September 1, 2006 Report Share Posted September 1, 2006 I haven't had any "black things" in my T-Pro or T-Lite frames. The Cane Creek cups are black, but that's the only bit of the headset/tube combo that is black. Pics would probably be pretty useful if you could get any? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Walleee Posted September 1, 2006 Report Share Posted September 1, 2006 don't bodge fitting a headset.[attachmentid=6805]Really, only one of the plastic cone's is required, as the steel plate will run true against the other side of the headtube, if you get me?If JT's removed it from the t-lite, ask him, it should be the same for the t-pro? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
poopipe Posted September 1, 2006 Author Report Share Posted September 1, 2006 (edited) there's nothing missing from the t-lite at all - JT is gooodim not home so i've only got the lovely pics JT sent me - the black things at either end of the headtube are what im talking about, I have these on both frames and on the t-pro there are other cups inside them[attachmentid=6806] Edited September 1, 2006 by poopipe Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Caleb Posted September 1, 2006 Report Share Posted September 1, 2006 yeah there cups, i wasnt sure if j-t had included the headset or not thats all.you should bea able to transfer your bearings etc straight over then ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
poopipe Posted September 1, 2006 Author Report Share Posted September 1, 2006 so, in this pic.... the red things are the same as my black things and that yellow thing is what I though was an extra cup ??does this mean I've pulled the bearing holder apart and confused myself? its got caged bearings inside it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Caleb Posted September 1, 2006 Report Share Posted September 1, 2006 yup that yellow thing is a sealed set of headset bearings, try putting it back together and it should slot into the cup just nicely, dont forget all spacers and locking rings etc when building the headset back up Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
poopipe Posted September 1, 2006 Author Report Share Posted September 1, 2006 yup that yellow thing is a sealed set of headset bearings, try putting it back together and it should slot into the cup just nicely, dont forget all spacers and locking rings etc when building the headset back upthere's my problem - it won't slot in easilyi'll get the hammer out, that'll learn it nice to know you get a sealed headset as standard on a t-poo then Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mat hudson Posted September 1, 2006 Report Share Posted September 1, 2006 it should be a tight fit. if it was loose there would be play.now thats sorted, lets place bets on how long this frame will last i say 2 months. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
poopipe Posted September 1, 2006 Author Report Share Posted September 1, 2006 it should be a tight fit. if it was loose there would be play.now thats sorted, lets place bets on how long this frame will last i say 2 months.give me some credit it took me nearly 9 months to seriously hurt my t-pro and it's technically still in one piece (albeit with an extra half degree or so of headangle)If you ignore the lifespan of that bmx I bought off joe and the fact I put a serious dent in the replacement within 6 weeks of getting it I've got a really good record with bikes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mat hudson Posted September 1, 2006 Report Share Posted September 1, 2006 its stil a t-light though Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
poopipe Posted September 1, 2006 Author Report Share Posted September 1, 2006 i think i've cracked it (the problem, not the frame) it seems not all internal headsets are created equal so i've popped the cups out of the t-pro and put em into the t-lite. The bearings fit now but i'm not entirely convinced i've bashed the cups in far enough. I managed to lose a spacer for my booster somewhere along the line which is a bit of a tosser but since im crippled for at least another week there's no rush to get it built. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JT! Posted September 1, 2006 Report Share Posted September 1, 2006 (edited) Yeah the t-lite does have cane creek zero stack cups in the frame.The bearings should just sit in really easily, there should be no bashring what so ever. Mat = FatJT= Medium WeightMat + Ashton Justice + a few months = f**ked Frame.JT + T-lite + 2 years = Ergo. Weight to time ratio = T-lite > JusticeMat + Another Justice = Mat likes JusticesMat likes Justices = Mat likes t-lites even more. Edited September 1, 2006 by JT! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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