trials_noob Posted August 19, 2006 Report Share Posted August 19, 2006 I have just recieved my T-bird which is my first trials bike and was wondering what i should learn first after trackstanding as i can do that. Eg backhops etc?thanks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sam F Posted August 19, 2006 Report Share Posted August 19, 2006 Well personally i think learning to backhop is good to start off with because i made the mistake of just trying to trials hop without back hopping and i've got to the stage where i would be going to gap or somthing but i can't keep my balance in the air and i just fall so i made a mistake there but thats my aim at the moment is to learn to backhop. Sam. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fvil Posted August 19, 2006 Report Share Posted August 19, 2006 Make sure you have track stand DIALEDthen Hopping then Rocking (Easy)those 3 are the most common basicsall will help you connect with the bike"be one with the tool" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Walleee Posted August 19, 2006 Report Share Posted August 19, 2006 yeh, ensure that you can do correctional hops. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trials_noob Posted August 19, 2006 Author Report Share Posted August 19, 2006 Make sure you have track stand DIALEDthen Hopping then Rocking (Easy)those 3 are the most common basicsall will help you connect with the bike"be one with the tool" Is that from The Art of Trials by Ryan Leech? I have the dvd!Anyway thanks for the help. So once i get all those basics sorted you reckon the backhop is the best to start with. Also i have read about people learning balance with the front wheel on a bench, does this work? And what help does it give you?I have been getting most guides from trashzen which is great. Its just some of the explanations aren't detailed enough.Thanks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tommy d Posted August 19, 2006 Report Share Posted August 19, 2006 I don't know about this front wheel on a bench thing, I've never come across it.I think something that helped me quite a bit was learning to pivot round on the front and back wheels with the brakes locked. If you can do both directions on both wheels then that will be a big help. (sorry if thats the same thing as rocking, I've never heard of rocking but it sounds a bit like it...)Other than that, keep riding with other people and watching videos, and try out anything you think might be within your capabilties. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fvil Posted August 19, 2006 Report Share Posted August 19, 2006 Naaaa just me and my mind genuinemep.s make sure u can track stand proberly (with out brakes) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trials_noob Posted August 19, 2006 Author Report Share Posted August 19, 2006 Yeah i can trackstand without brakes. I have started backhopping today following the guide on trashzen which is really good. Can anyone give me any trade secrets or key tips on balancing on the back wheel and then bouncing on it?Thanks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aff1e Posted August 19, 2006 Report Share Posted August 19, 2006 Trash Zen is a good site, have a look at pedal hop and back hop on there.Once you can do them with ease, just start moving down the list on Trashzen. Aff1e Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
minicrack Posted August 19, 2006 Report Share Posted August 19, 2006 (edited) Frist things frist you control the bike it does'nt control you. Trials hoping Step1:You should just try seeign how many jumps on the back wheel you can do this will improve balence. Step2: Now try this with both wheels on the floor kick on the pedals and pull the back brake. Step3: Now bring them back and do this repeatedly Step4: put these three steps together when on the back wheel. Back wheeling step1: Do at least half a pedal turn on you leading foot for most people there right foot. step2: As you other foot is forward pull up on the handle bars as if youre doing a wheelie. step3: Put pressure on the pedal of the leading foot and push bike forward as you land pull the back brake. I would also advise going on websites where they show you video clips of how its done like TRASH ZEN. Keep practicing these and you'll soon find the rest should be easy and follow on. Edited August 19, 2006 by minicrack Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trials_noob Posted August 19, 2006 Author Report Share Posted August 19, 2006 I'm not sure i 100% get that, can you explain it a bit clearer? Thanks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
minicrack Posted August 20, 2006 Report Share Posted August 20, 2006 Sorry i dont really know how else to explain it unless you say what exactly it is your unsure about.Also i dont have any video clips to show you how it's done.But im sure if your still unclear or a certain part of it you could ask someone else to Clarify things. Darren Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trials_noob Posted August 20, 2006 Author Report Share Posted August 20, 2006 OK, was the steps you gave under trials hopping for pedal kickng? It seems similar. Also do you have any tips for balancing on the back wheel to be able to hop on it?Thanks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Koop. Posted August 20, 2006 Report Share Posted August 20, 2006 I agree that rocking and backhops are fundamental to learn early on, but in my opinion being able to ride up onto obstacles like benches and ledges etc is equally if not more important. Backhops need to be learnt in order to do more precision moves, and in many cases after you have managed to get onto the object. As a beginner you wont be using backhops to get onto objects plus after all that trackstanding doing even more "flat ground" practice will get a bit tedious!If your set on learning backhops though, try doing a small endo in order to rock onto the back wheel. This means you can focus less on getting into the back hop position and more on what your meant to be doing when your up there. The movement of rocking from the endo onto the back wheel will initially make balancing easier aswell. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trials_noob Posted August 20, 2006 Author Report Share Posted August 20, 2006 I can now get on the back wheel using the rocking method. But the thing i'm struggling with now is hopping on the back wheel. I get up then try a few hops and manage roughly two before falling back onto both wheels. Is there any tips for hopping on the back wheel? And i sometimes keep falling to one side and need to put a foot down.ThanksI'm now off to watch the Ryan Leech dvd to try and get some more tips. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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ted Posted August 20, 2006 Report Share Posted August 20, 2006 the balancing with the front wheel up on a bench is good for improving balance. learning to get the wheel up onto higher benches and then getting down again(without taking feet off pedals) is also useful i found. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trials_noob Posted August 20, 2006 Author Report Share Posted August 20, 2006 What is the best way to improve balance on the back wheel? Is the bench method good for that? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
poopipe Posted August 20, 2006 Report Share Posted August 20, 2006 What is the best way to improve balance on the back wheel? Is the bench method good for that?it'll give you an idea of the position you want to be in but not really.to do more backhops...keep your weight low and your body relaxedwhen you get into the air, release the brake and level out your pedals - remember to pull the brake again before you landcompress to absorb the impact.repeat ad infinitum. - don't hop too quickly - it doesn't help.it's easy to move onto to hopping forwards after this - you just need to drop the font slightly and give a little pedal kick before you leave the ground- otherwise the technique is the same. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iAiN Posted August 20, 2006 Report Share Posted August 20, 2006 yeah backhopping is probly the best to start with. the best thing you can do is keep trying everyday. use little pedal kicks and release the brake when you do so on most of the hops because it keeps the front wheel up in the air more easily. your weight needs to be further back than you'd expect so make sure your not leaning too far forward. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
monty boi Posted August 20, 2006 Report Share Posted August 20, 2006 (edited) I would learn how to balance first walk on the curb a few times to get the feeling of how to balance, then have a go at riding your bike on the curb then try it one handed Adam. Edited August 20, 2006 by monty boi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trials_noob Posted August 20, 2006 Author Report Share Posted August 20, 2006 Thanks for the help everyone.When hopping on the back wheel, i can manage about 3-5 hops now and then have to put a foot down. Is there an easy way to stay on the bike and let it fall? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
monty boi Posted August 20, 2006 Report Share Posted August 20, 2006 Keep hold of your back brake and lean towards your bars that should tip the bike forwards. Adam. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trials_noob Posted August 20, 2006 Author Report Share Posted August 20, 2006 Cheers Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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