Wear Your f**king Helmet.

[yoyoyo]

Yeh did that for me, i just went on here again got the link went on it, and kept clicking it until it changed and showed the video.

[ibs_m]

It shocks me to think that people that engage in sports as potentially dangerous as this, do so with people who havent got the first idea about what to do if anybody hurts themselves!

Its almost a certainty that people will get hurt to some extent doing what we do, yet not many take any time to find out what to do in these situations.

I ride with a group of riders and when we built a new set of trails the first thing we did was asked the council to organise a work place first aid course for all of us to go on.

Since doing it we all still know a decent amount, enough to keep us from wondering what we would do if anybody ever crashed badly.

We saw one guy crash over shoot a jump at chicksands and smash f'ing hard face first into the next kicker, and when it happened we saw all these tough guy bikers suddenly act like helpless children when they saw their mate lie there bleeding. One guy went over and the only thing he could think of doing was to tell his mate to get up!! The guy could hardly speak let alone get up! but we understood that he just wanted to help his friend but didnt have a clue how.

The main shocker in that clip as most have pointed out is the fact that you can hear the guy gargling his own blood i.e collecting in his airways, i.e struggling to breathe! - all they had to do is lie him in the recovery position so blood and fluid will come out of his nose/mouth, but nobody knew, because they have never been taught.

Its situations like this that make me wonder why first aid is not part of the national curriculum - we spend 16years there, surely there is a few mins to spare to learn stuff that will stand you in a good postion to save somebody's life.

All fair and well me having my rant and not being in that situation, however if i ever was unfortunate enough to be in that sort of situation, I know that the guys I ride with know enough to deal with the situation in the best possible way.

Moral of the story

We all ride in pretty big groups, ring up your council and ask them to book you on a work place first aid course so that you and those you ride with will be prepared if anything ever happened.

[Fisher]

you tube have removed the video, i guess it got flagged and they reviewed its content probably deemed to disturbing. shame really.

[MikeHayes]

Its horrid to watch,i watched it once and that was it neverr again.

Could'nt believe what i was seeing all the blood coming out of his nose,i really do feel for this guy.

Also would like to say to the person who kept filming.....Your sick.

Hope you get better soon mate

Cheers mike

Edited August 22, 2006 by MikeHayes

[Mark W]

Him stopping filming wouldn't have made his friend suddenly go "Oh, actually, I feel a lot better now. My concussion and broken teeth and nose have suddenly cleared up." At least it's got people talking about it now. I know I was annoyed that I didn't get my faceplant on camera 'cos I wanted to see what had happened, and what happened after. Either way, it doesn't make the filmer some terrible person for not putting the camera down, to be fair. Not to mention the whole "Easier in hindsight" thing - that guy was probably as shocked as the rest of the people, and just kept filming without really knowing what to do in a pretty confusing/shocking situation.

First aid is sort of part of the curriculum now. We do "PSHE" (Personal, Social and Health Education), and part of that includes basic First Aid training, just the usual ABC stuff, bandages and the recovery position.

[Phatmike]

Mark, (re. your earlier posts in this thread), it really seems as if you're trying to promote not wearing a helmet, or saying it's not important, but jeeus, sorry mate that's a load of crap. How you could say that actually amazes me.

I know my helmet has saved my life a good few times, (bashing the back of my head once, very hard on a rail, and again on a sharp concrete corner), so like many others can vouch for how vital they can be.

Kids, don't listen to OBM. He's just wrong this time.

[MikeHayes]

Him stopping filming wouldn't have made his friend suddenly go "Oh, actually, I feel a lot better now. My concussion and broken teeth and nose have suddenly cleared up." At least it's got people talking about it now. I know I was annoyed that I didn't get my faceplant on camera 'cos I wanted to see what had happened, and what happened after. Either way, it doesn't make the filmer some terrible person for not putting the camera down, to be fair. Not to mention the whole "Easier in hindsight" thing - that guy was probably as shocked as the rest of the people, and just kept filming without really knowing what to do in a pretty confusing/shocking situation.

First aid is sort of part of the curriculum now. We do "PSHE" (Personal, Social and Health Education), and part of that includes basic First Aid training, just the usual ABC stuff, bandages and the recovery position.

Fair doos

But it my own opinion I would of put the camera down and ran to help my mate I would'nt of thought about filming in that situation.

I do apoligise for my harsh words ''your sick'' but still think there wasn't any point in carrying on filming.

Cheers mike

Edited August 22, 2006 by MikeHayes

[spode@thinkbikes]

Him puttying his camera down wouldn't have helped, it really does depend how close the two were. Personally, I'd be annoyed if I didn't get it on video to watch later :D

Luckily, when I go riding, it's often with my team mate Dave, who is well trained in first aid. Whenever I've fallen off, he's been a god send and knew exactly what to do.

[Al_Fel]

I'm a sicko I want to see the vid.

[Mark W]

Mark, (re. your earlier posts in this thread), it really seems as if you're trying to promote not wearing a helmet, or saying it's not important, but jeeus, sorry mate that's a load of crap. How you could say that actually amazes me.

I know my helmet has saved my life a good few times, (bashing the back of my head once, very hard on a rail, and again on a sharp concrete corner), so like many others can vouch for how vital they can be.

Kids, don't listen to OBM. He's just wrong this time.

I wasn't saying "Don't wear a helmet or I'll beat you", I was just pointing out that I didn't think it would've done much there, because I was wearing one and had the same sort of injuries he had except I didn't fully fracture my eye socket (which wasn't 'cos my helmet stopped it or anything, it's 'cause the flattening of my nose took the sting out of the impact ).

Although of course, my bad, I forgot that helmets provide full protection to every area of your body, up to and including all of your family (and pets), and house, as some people on TF seem to think (Note: Not directed at you, Mike).

[mat hudson]

if he's worn a helmet in the past, his brain wouldnt have taken as many knocks and he'd have actually got his hands out. why the f**k do people just hedabut the floor like that?

[spode@thinkbikes]

if he's worn a helmet in the past, his brain wouldnt have taken as many knocks and he'd have actually got his hands out. why the f**k do people just hedabut the floor like that?

You make it sound like it's intentional. Sometimes you just can't!

[Dan Jones]

I hope that guys alright now.

It's made me look at some things about first aid as i don't know a lot about it, I came across the bbc site http://www.bbc.co.uk/health/first_aid_action/ .

why the f**k do people just hedabut the floor like that?

I have gone over the bars and not put my hands out before, i'm not sure why it happens. Maybe it's because I didn't consider it could happen when doing something small. At the time I was trying to bunnyhop a 1 foot wooden post and never put much thought into doing it. The backwheel hit it as i was halfway across. I was lucky and only got a chipped tooth, cracked helmet and grazed face.

Edited August 23, 2006 by trialsy

[Christophe']

Any more definitive first aid rules?

maybe links to a very good website/source that explains it all?

Just the above maybe ? quit the helmet debate.

[Fishy]

I'm sure some of you saw what happened to me, a topic in chit chat a while back, i fractured my eye socket pretty badly, a nice deep cut in my eyebrow, and shit loads of swelling and bruising, was a result of face planting 6ft.

I didn't wear a helmet, and have never been riding without one since, for all the none helmet wearers out there, get one! A helmet could of easily saved my face from being f**ked. I still can't feel around there anymore. Aswell as that, there is a nerve that if damaged f**ks the muscles in your face, and the whole side of your face sags. I was soooo f**king lucky not to have, i was ever so lucky not to have fractured my skull.

I have no simpathy for people that don't wear helmets and land on their head, f**king themselves over. I know a helmet can't prevent some things, but it can prevent a f**k more that it can't.

It really does annoy me to see people not wearing helmets now, not exactly expensive 20 quid for a decent pisspot. 20 quid that can save your life...

[Mark W]

I wish there was a nice-fitting, decent piss-pot around for £20 The closest I've got to a nice one is the TSG Evo, and that's like a big f**kin' bowling ball. Been trying to track down an old-style Protec (the ones without the high density foam shell thing), but no deal... Apparently one of the Capix helmets is like that, but they never seem to be in stock anywhere, ever.

Good sized bump though (on the thread )...

And Mat, you're not exactly Mr. Fast Reflexes so leave him alone

[spode@thinkbikes]

I think my piss-pot cost me £20 and it's shiny and red. I like it. Bell I think?

[Fishy]

Yeah, sorry about the rant, gets on my tits though.