Evolution Of Trials Components...

[Walleee]

For rims to maintain a grind they need to be hard, unfortunately hard = brittle generally speaking....

[FoxRacer]

new brakes are being made already... just wait few weeks to see them.

I think that there won't be any big improvment in parts. China will be quite rich country so I guess most of companies will have to change their factories:P. Geo won't changed that much. Most of dimen. and angles have been used already. Current setup is doing really well for most so I guess there is no need to change it.

About Deng -> from what i've talked with him. He is doing the best what he thinks is. So he will be developing his company by his way=there won't be any disc frame from him in next few years.

[Greetings]

I think a more noticeable change will be in the way people ride. It's changed a helluva lot in the last 10 years, so it's scary to think about what we'll all be up to in 2016. Backflip taps, anyone?

More precision moves? People doing taps onto poles and stuff like that. There is a limit to human strength and I don't believe we will have some guy backwheel 6 feet.

[Dan Clark]

I would love to see more expensive materials come into use like titanium and carbon fibre in frames, or even just better made frames and parts, like hydroform tubing and hard anodizing frames like Brisa used to.

Its just a shame no trials riders are willing to pay for them, which is strange considering their popularity in other bike sports, trials frames are all just cheap tubes welded together in the far east which all look exactly the same, nothing exciting at all compared to DH bikes and such.

Dan.......

In the other direction, I'd like trials to sorta move where BMX is going, where theres loads and loads of rider owned companies, this way there's such a big sense of community and the owners honestly care about the performance and reputation of their products far more than profits.

It means we'd be left with far better choice and far better after sale service, it also means more riders get sponsored and more DVD's and such get made.

At the moment trials is fought between Deng and Onza for cheap bikes, and then Koxx and Monty for expensive bikes, it would be good to see this change.

[munkee]

I did a little digging and .. found this.. seems its already started to catch on.

http://www.ent.ohiou.edu/~urieli/hpv/belt.jpg

[Gaz M]

Your talking about comp frames arn't you. I dunno, how you ride not what you ride.

What exactly is a comp frame. do you have it in your head that only street riders use pythons, if you see any of the uci comps LOADS of people use dengs frames especially pitbulls, the only comp frame i can actually think of is the xtp because of the super thin tubing and i know of a shedload of riders using them on street! Just because a frame is strong or has riders promoting it on street doesnt make it a street frame. You've contradicted yourself really if both those you said are your opinions. It really is how you ride personally i wouldnt care if i was using a "Street Frame" if i liked it on natural id use it im sure the majority of people think the same. Also you were having trouble landing on your profile cog.. for a start someone could put a chunk of metal under the dropout same as near the bb so that wont happen? Theres tonnes of ways to improve frame or make them more convenient

[Brian Bleech]

In the other direction, I'd like trials to sorta move where BMX is going, where theres loads and loads of rider owned companies, this way there's such a big sense of community and the owners honestly care about the performance and reputation of their products far more than profits.

It means we'd be left with far better choice and far better after sale service, it also means more riders get sponsored and more DVD's and such get made.

At the moment trials is fought between Deng and Onza for cheap bikes, and then Koxx and Monty for expensive bikes, it would be good to see this change.

It seems that in BMX a lot people/companies seem to actually think about how to make components better rather than just look in a catalogue and anodise it every colour available.

So yeah I would like to see less generic catalogue parts in trials, expecially rims...

I did a little digging and .. found this.. seems its already started to catch on.

http://www.ent.ohiou.edu/~urieli/hpv/belt.jpg

belt drive could work exceptionally well.

[T-BAD]

trials will be over run by chavs, then people will be anodising frames in the burberry patterns. NIKE,Adidas ect. will start making components specifically for trials... maybe?

or as someone has already said, everyone will get sick of deng and move back to the oldschool scene?

or deng will have loads of babies, then they'll be loads... of mini dengs making frames.

ohwell the likes of ashton and co. will still be heard of

Edited August 14, 2006 by T-BAD

[Ewannnn]

I think ZHI will become very popular in the future trials scene

[Todge]

or as someone has already said, everyone will get sick of deng and move back to the oldschool scene?

or deng will have loads of babies, then they'll be loads... of mini dengs making frames.

ohwell the likes of ashton and co. will still be heard of

I just got the image of Mr Deng mixed up with Dr Evil and mini me for a moment there

[Rebelistic]

I would like to see more versatile trials bikes as components and technology get better.

Perhaps the perfect freeride/trials bike.

For example a bike with a small chainring up front and yet still a full range of gears, maybe using hub gears or something?

Light suspension forks with a lockout feature?

Telescopic seatposts?

[Mr_Pitbull]

was just my technique at the time....dont do it now land on the plate thingy. Also found a cheap and easy way of stopping me from smashing my driver Try All Tensioners! there bigger than the driver lockring so it smashes that first. Might bend but it hasnt.

Edited August 14, 2006 by Mr_Pitbull

[Si-man]

Also you were having trouble landing on your profile cog.. for a start someone could put a chunk of metal under the dropout same as near the bb so that wont happen?

Thats why profile made a hubguard, and a bloody good 1 at that

[Dan Clark]

It seems that in BMX a lot people/companies seem to actually think about how to make components better rather than just look in a catalogue and anodise it every colour available.

Exactly, 5-6 years ago when I started everyone moaned that DX32's were weak, now people still moan that DX32's are weak, but they can buy them in 50 colours, and they are still the best rim.

Even way before I started, people moaned about how shit Maguras were, and we are still stuck with them.

Theres a couple of examples, but on the whole no-one seems to do anything to change it, and we settle for the same thing being released every year with a different paint job.

Somethings have been good, like the Hope Mono Trial, Hope Pro2T, Steve at Heatsink and Iolo for taking things into their own hands as it were.

Companies need to think outside of the box more, instead of picking something from the Pulo catalogue and asking for a CNC headtube thats also in the Pulo catalogue, or whether it can be anodized green. Look at Viz Bikes for example, all respect for Dan Ko for cashing in and being able to setup a trials company, but its all the same products with a different label on, which is exactly what we need to get out of.

Why has no-one made a new rim brake? I'm sure the CNC wizards could fire up cylinders etc no problem, people keep looking at pads, boosters and grinds to improve brakes, when surely we shuoldn't need to do any of those, maybe if someone made a trials specific brake, as opposed to an XC/Tandem one we stole, we wouldn't need to grind every week, or buy new pads all the time.

[Sam Nichols]

Stock bikes will have 2.7 tyres and someone will have eventually figured out a way to stop pinch flats completely (i can hope so).

Maxxis tyres?

id like something other than a chain, and starfangled nut (not a headlock).

Hope head doctor?

Light suspension forks with a lockout feature?

Telescopic seatposts?

Telescopic seatpost.. Titec Scoper.

Light sus forks that lockout.. There are loads around!

[ogre]

Stock bikes will have 2.7 tyres and someone will have eventually figured out a way to stop pinch flats completely (i can hope so).

There will be at least one echo deng component on everyones bikes... check now, i bet you've got one... its kind of scary when i thought about it last week.

Don't G sport have a rim that doesn't get pinch flats (or something). And i can't think of many people who don't have something from echo etc on theiir bikes either i can see deng having a 1984 style hold on the trials scene for a few more years (that said it isn't that bad that he came about really). I wouldn't mind seing more bikes with difference wheel sizes (like the demonboy?). How about adjustable frames? you can extend it for street then make it smaller for natural... could be fun weak and flexy as fook though. or suspension on the rear for those mega-huge drop gaps... i suppose the new trials bits will depend on the style of riding since a lot of riders are quitting and moving to bmx i could see trials frames becomeing very bmxy or at least a compromise between the two...

[Mark W]

G-Sport say the design of the Ribcage rim will help to stop pinch flats 'cos the sidewalls and wider and rounded, but the rim you're thinking of is the T.H.E. Industries Eliminator.

For trials, worst thing ever.

[JT!]

Why has no-one made a new rim brake? I'm sure the CNC wizards could fire up cylinders etc no problem, people keep looking at pads, boosters and grinds to improve brakes, when surely we shuoldn't need to do any of those, maybe if someone made a trials specific brake, as opposed to an XC/Tandem one we stole, we wouldn't need to grind every week, or buy new pads all the time.

In maguras defence though, they are quite perfect. There's not a lot more that can be done to them is there?

[Janson]

And i can't think of many people who don't have something from echo etc on theiir bikes either

My bike is actually 100% free from all Deng products. And I've broken like 2 parts in a year... Go figure.

[Sponge]

I have a feeling that more companies will start to produce hydraulic rim brakes in order to compete with Magura. Whether it be a rebranded CNC'd thing from Deng, or a totally new design from someone like Hope.

Frame and fork-wise we could see them have special suspension systems with the perfect amount of travel and spring to aid riding. Sounds seriously dumb at first, but seriously, in a few years I think we will almost certainly see a prototype hanging around. .

And I agree with those who say we should head more into a BMXy direction, by having rider owned companies who know what they're doing and actually make new components. Most the 'new' stuff out now is just all rebranded and er-laser etched shit, as well as all the stupid colours to satisfy the kids. The sad thing about most trials brands is that they seem to be in it for the money, and don't care that much about their components so long as they last at least a year and look good. Leeson and IOLO seem to doing good for trials, seeing as they make frames to last and also offer repairs.

I'd far rather a custom-built high quality steel frame like a Leeson any day of the year, over a rebranded CNC'd mess from the Pulo factory. And yeah, more companies should start heading in a MTB direction by making hand-made frames like the Banshee freeride/dh frames in Canada. Having a proper website for a brand would help too, seeing as all trials brand's manufacturers websites look tacky as poo compared to most BMX and MTB sites.

compare: www.echobike.com to www.norco.com The quality of trials components isn't really as high as that of BMX or MTB stuff, and hopefully a well known MTB company like Norco or Banshee can start making high quality Canadian hand-built frames with a decent warranty (eg, Banshee's warranty is 10 years compared to Echo's 1 year).

Some of the stuff I said, most people wont agree with, but we really need to have companies that aren't just Pulo's minions. This CNC'd era just looks good, but sadly most of it is poorly manufactured.

[Ash-Kennard]

my veiw is that the government/police will impose bans with massive fines and bike confiscation in the future, because they already see what we do as criminal damage, so it wont be long. we will either have to demand trials parks or we will all ride alot of natural.

[Has anyone seen my shoe?]

ermm...nope.... some street riders like light frames too?

true, but regardless of what sport you're doing, a better standard of equipment does help to produce a better standard of performance. E.G. giving an Jenson Button (as example) an F1 car with a V6 engine

Technically thats a downgrade as last year F1 cars were running V8's.

However using engineering magic they have managed to get the cars to go faster or as fast as last year

I'd far rather a custom-built high quality steel frame like a Leeson any day of the year, over a rebranded CNC'd mess from the Pulo factory.

Havent you just bought a ZHI frame?

For the next 5 years at least I can see that whatever Deng decides to do with his components will set the standard for the rest of the companies.

EDIT: Just to add to my point sponge (copied from your profile)

Zhi ZM1 frame, Zoo! Lite fork, Kris Holm 19" rim, Profile gold rear hub, Zoo bar, Echo Team stem, Zoo! Pads and RJ Green Pads, F&R Magura HS33s, Creepy Crawlers, Echo forged cranks, Echo 18t cog, Echo grips, Onza VP pedals, Onza carbon booster, Shimano UN53 BB, Echo gold headset, Yide front wheel, KMC Kool chain

Contradictions ***!!!

Edited August 16, 2006 by Has anyone seen my shoe?

[Brian Bleech]

My bike is actually 100% free from all Deng products. And I've broken like 2 parts in a year... Go figure.

Mine too and I actually have more bmx parts than trials parts

[nickyw]

Yep my bt is deng-free aswell...But i bet it will be covered in deng sooner or later.

[Bennnn]

My bike is almost deng free, except for the fork. Only 8 months and it is starting to creak! But besides that my bike doesn't have many chinese parts.