Davetrials Posted August 5, 2006 Report Share Posted August 5, 2006 just watche dthe red bull reconbasicly a free ride tour with 6 ridersthey get4 jeeps3 boatsand a helicopter to take them up any f**king mountain they want,they fly around this island and find some silly ass lines to ridethis must cost a f**king lot.. whats the biggest thing trials has???koxx days?why why dammit why cant it bigger. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Egg Fried Rice Posted August 5, 2006 Report Share Posted August 5, 2006 just watche dthe red bull reconbasicly a free ride tour with 6 ridersthey get4 jeeps3 boatsand a helicopter to take them up any f**king mountain they want,they fly around this island and find some silly ass lines to ridethis must cost a f**king lot.. whats the biggest thing trials has???koxx days?why why dammit why cant it bigger. i think its all about money.anyway, when doing trials we dont need a massive space like a mountain. all we need really is a warehouse or something with pallets in it or a city with some good places to ride.also trials is not as popular than other cycle sports. im sure if someone had the money they would go on a trials tour to loads and loads of different countries with 4 jeeps and 3 boats, i dont think the helicopter is that neccesary. we could film it all and send it to extreme sports or something.JK Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark W Posted August 5, 2006 Report Share Posted August 5, 2006 It'd be cool if there was a sorta similar comp to the Red Bull Mean Streets comp but for trials. The basis of that comp was that there were 3 teams, they went around 3 cities and had 48-hours in each place to film some lines. They judged each other afterwards, and they gave out a couple of hundred dollars for the best trick from each city, then they gave out 10 thousand dollars (I think...) for the person who had the best video. There's a link to it pretty late on in the Little Wheels Thread, if you wanted to see it. Something like that featuring trials would be cool, though.I think probably the way trials is filmed doesn't help. If you look at BMXing, DH and freeride, they're all getting bigger 'cos they're following skateboard video ideas, so the videos are more flowing, easier to watch and so on, yet trials videos are still all just like 3-5mins long, and the editing in comparison isn't as good (with a few exceptions). I think stuff like Rowan's vids are probably heading in the right direction just 'cos it's more line-based, so it just looks better overall.If the level of exposure rises online, then it'll more likely follow on TV... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
toxicturky Posted August 5, 2006 Report Share Posted August 5, 2006 (edited) What i can think of is that it's reasonably expensive, not that downhill or DJ ain't, but that is an issue. Also, it takes a long time to get good enough to anything vaguely impressive trialswise so that deters people. Only other thing is that the majority of trials riding isn't very "extreme" in that we don't tend to jump huge distances on our rigs or owt ( with the exception of few, CLS in mind personally), plus it's more of a refined, technique based sport rather like gymnastics as opposed to... say.. pig wrestling style DHMark.P.S. although i'd love for the sport to grow, it is nice belonging to a sort of lol 'elite minority'....even if we do get taunted by the hoards of BMXers at the skateparks and the likes ha Edited August 5, 2006 by toxicturky Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Waynio Posted August 5, 2006 Report Share Posted August 5, 2006 how will it ever get bigger if videos are hosted on the internet?small videos/promotional videos are ok, but mainstream videos if people who are ON them are producing little videos all the time its pointless, for example Earthed3 with akrigg on? how many people apart from myself actually get to see akrigg???? and him ride??? therefore HIS videos are more and more wanted. CLS, Tunni most people off here, people EXPECT them. FREE. therefore for something to get bigger it must be harder to get hold of. (IMO)money does play a big part in it too you look at how professional videos are edited EVEN the ones edited on the net, some are great some are poor? some have amazing riding in some dont. i think the UK is USED to getting things for free too much therefore all the people on this forum would expect things for free most of the time.when i go shopping i go out plan what im going to buy, get it go to the counter and pay for it. easy.most people that come into the shop i work in, i cant get over half of them "how much can you do me that lot at?" so theres less money in cycling alone, you cant just look @ trials, look at road racing etc etc.best selling pair of Mavic wheels £600 ish Mavic Ksyrium SL mint wheels look the dogs bollox, theres always someone doing them by making a £10/20 quick profit. THIS IS WHAT screws the UK market, it happens in trials, why would someone want to pump £15/20k INTO trials when all that happens is it getting pi$$ed up the wall??? (and theres not enough people do it) road racing is world wide and done by many many thousands/millions of people. (NOT millions of brands that over run the market, Colnago, Ridley, Trek etc all have GREAT teams) the only "Teams" in trials are companies like Koxx,Monty. anyone else? its not enough.most people probably wont understand what/how im getting to the core of things. for the people that have been in the cycle industry longer than a couple of years will understand.1) Yes money needs putting into the sport2) Companies need to have more STRICT pricing like companies such as Monty and koxx (oh!!! there the 2main companies with TEAMS aswell????) see how from the 2 examples how things "fall" into shape. Deng has got a "couple" of great STREET riders in CLS and tunni Idols/FAMOUS people, its not how it "used" to be and never will be.i rekon in other countries people appreciate what they have alot more and thats why trials can be much more appreciated, as in england too many people "expect" things. our country is a shambles, look at all the shit that happens in it, people steal cars and kill innocent people, gun crime? you name it this country has it. yes i probably am pi$$ed off at this country in a whole, the only thing keeping me here? is my JOB and my Family/Friends!!!!Waynio.................................younger generation do not appreciate things as much as the older generation that have done trials for 5/6+ and many more years.i remember when meeting martyn ashton was like a dream come true!!!!same with Hawzee, i work/have worked with akrigg for years, and i appreciate what these people have done for me and how they have inspired me to do what i do.BUT dave, great post very interesting. its come up many times, but as i get older i see more and more where trials could be better, but who am i to be able to do owt about it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davetrials Posted August 5, 2006 Author Report Share Posted August 5, 2006 Ill bet wayne made a valid post, ill read it later. wayne stop typing so dammed much. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
petit_pablo Posted August 5, 2006 Report Share Posted August 5, 2006 I like the trials scene being small.It gives it an underground feeling almost. If i was actually good enough to benefit from comps etc having large prize money and major press coverage i might have a different outlook, but im not, so i dont!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
planet x alan Posted August 5, 2006 Report Share Posted August 5, 2006 our country is a shambles, look at all the shit that happens in it, people steal cars and kill innocent people, gun crime? you name it this country has it. yes i probably am pi$$ed off at this country in a whole.i can see where you are coming from with that. BUT. you have to realise wherever you go there is always shit going on like that. you will never escape it. there are some exceptions. like if you were to move into the middle of nowhere then there wouldnt be any. but i would sooner live in england than a shit load of other places around the world. although i dont particularly like the place. it is better than others Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Danny Kearns Posted August 5, 2006 Report Share Posted August 5, 2006 The thing is, how isnt trials a big sport ? For example, when i went to back cown quarry, shit me there were a load of riders, this was the british rounds by the way, I do not really want to think how many are at the world rounds ? .My point is, look how many trials riders are on this forum, we are all of mixed abillity, which is good, But you think about it, are all skateboarders at the same abilty?........No but that is still one of the biggest sports out there, i am sure if all the companys such as HOD, monty, koxx, onza, etc etc, all put there heads together and all sat down and talked about it they could come up with something, for example DENG, we all know he is mega rich and i am guessing koxx, onza and monty are aswell. So if they all though about it and put some money into it then who knows, we could be big and more popular.......See my point....?Dan. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christophe' Posted August 5, 2006 Report Share Posted August 5, 2006 cause its geekyunless u live in fance or spain, forget it.english people dont have enough imagination or inteligence to apreciate it.sad but true Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark W Posted August 5, 2006 Report Share Posted August 5, 2006 To be honest Wayne, I don't really get your sorta obsession with teams? At least I think it was you who made the post before which involved saying we need more trials 'teams' and everyone to have uniforms/kit and stuff like that. Street trials in the UK is probably the most popular aspect of trials, and the street scene here is revered by other people. We may not have super strong contenders in all of the 14.3million different categories in the BIU worlds or whatever, but more people are going to go out and want to ride if it's just on their street or whatever. You're speaking as someone who has the benefit of a shitload of amazing natural on your doorstep, but the nearest natural to me that's worth riding is either Porthcawl or Aberystwyth, both of which are a 2-3 hours train journey away. With a lot of other riders street is also their main deal, and the sorta mixing up of BMX moves and pure trialsy things. That seems to be the way most people are moving into, at least. If you look at how well received Danny Macaskill's vid was, everyone loved it 'cos it was all totally new and different, not just someone doing the same old stuff on natural or what have you. It's just what sort of riding people are into now, not to mention the sort of riding lifestyle people are into. How many people go out for a ride with their friends and dress up in a team kit or whatever? Very, very few. Some might wear a Tartybikes or select t-shirt or something like that, but they don't really want to be wearing a 'team' strip or whatever? It's not really like football and other big sports like that where people want to wear the jersey of the 'big teams' or anything like that, it's just a lot more chilled with jeans and a t-shirt or whatever they choose to wear, so companies having big teams and stuff just doesn't really mean much. Most of the riders that people seem to rate as being most inspirational on here don't even belong to big teams, but are just on flow from Tarty or whoever they're involved with, and that seems to be enough for most people. People don't revere riders 'cos they're on a big team, it's more a case of letting their riding do the talking instead of stuff like DH where you've got to have the latest Mavic wheelset and have to have a custom sprayed Troy Lee lid and shit like that. It's just a different sort of sport. To use an example closer to home for you, in Coming up for Air, Akkers didn't exactly go around riding with a Team Ashton jersey on or Team Charge jersey on, yet people loved the section he did. You can't even buy the frame he rides now, yet he's still one of the most inspirational riders out there? It just proves you don't need big teams to get people motivated to ride. Same with his Earthed 3 section that you mentioned, it's about the riding as opposed to the "being pro"-ness of it.I don't really get what you meant by saying that other companies need the "strict pricing policy" of Koxx and Monty either, btw? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christophe' Posted August 5, 2006 Report Share Posted August 5, 2006 well said mark! I mostly agree.yes ive had a "few" cans. Reference TiccyI think that a rider,,,,,say danny m/chris akrigg can get "popular" If they are the fooking best!!!!They aint stars, they make no money.riding street stuff.we ride street,,,,,,wich is vaguely wrong/ ilegalthe europeans do it properly,,,they make it a "sport".they invest. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Waynio Posted August 6, 2006 Report Share Posted August 6, 2006 mark its about "professional" companies, and "un professional" companies. un professional riders etc etc.there is countries that appreciate things much more and i must say Australia is the top of my list!!!! and has been and will be for a long time. its the "culture" and the way things are, you go to auz, you have to fill in immigration forms and can only stay there for so long, what do you have to do to get into this country? get on a train or hitch hike across the water with someone? its not good enough, the country is in disrepute from the start. i think thats why there are so many view and opinions on so many different things, including trials etc etc.the problem with yourself mark is you wont accept anyone else view or opinion. i dont post on this shit hole of a forum much any more as id rather be busy with work, or out riding my bike. il "visit" as little as possible. but its people like yourself that seem to have to be right. i dont care if my opinion or point of view doesnt mean anything to anyone. but with working alot more closly with MBUK and doing a couple of articles and such forth i think my opinion and matter of fact mean alot more than most people on here.im happy with my role with my sponsors and am very happy with the results i get, i dont want to go out to win, i ride better under less pressure. i think im mainly sponsored due to alot of people knowing me or knowing OF me. my riding wasnt exactly "excellent" in competitions up until a couple of years ago. but that all comes with practise and meeting professional people and taking advise off those kind of people.Waynio.................................all you need to do is appreciate other peoples views and opinions. if you cant, why post?im not argueing with anyones post, apart from yours mark as YOU can not accept or just live with my views or opinions.Village dave, Akrigg is a PRO a professional trials rider. therefore he gets what he needs out of his sponsors, if he wasnt getting what he required or wanted he would be with other companies etc. Danny M is only a young lad that is street orientated JUST like Tunni or CLS. they will be popular for the riding they do.will people ever be as "professional" as Martyn Ashton? Chris Akrigg? Martin Hawyes? i see only one person that could possibly be like this and that would be Ben Savage. its hard to explain my reasoning as people will look at it totally different with different views and opinions.just as a quick example for what dave starts off by saying:it would need Martyn Ashton or someone of that calibre to put a few £k into it like they did with BMX back in the day. the video to see is "Joe kid on a sting ray" or something like that an amazing story of how bmx grew and grew a good laugh too.Waynio......................... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe_Elding Posted August 6, 2006 Report Share Posted August 6, 2006 the problem with yourself mark is you wont accept anyone else view or opinion. And the award for THE most hypocritical statement EVER mentioned on trials forum goes to..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mat hudson Posted August 6, 2006 Report Share Posted August 6, 2006 whats wrong with posts that are short and to the point? am i missing somthing here? i REALLY cant be assed reading 90% of these massive works of literature. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yoyoyo Posted August 6, 2006 Report Share Posted August 6, 2006 But if you go round showing people trials, just riding, no comps or anything. Most will be amazed because they've never seen anything lik eit before. So it gives you more of a usp. But skateboarders or bmx'ers go round saying stuff like that, who cares, it's all been seen before and it's nothing new. And they are forgotten quickly, but if they see someone doing a hook or something like that, they probably remember it for a while as it's completley new to them.Thats why i like trials for being small.Plus, with a forum this size, i remember most people on here and what they're like. If there was an extra 10,000 members, i wouldn't have a clue who half the people were, so i wouldn't check what they'd written because i wouldn't know what it'd be like. If i'm looking at chit chat, i know which members are likely to say something funny, and which are going to start an argument.It's probably because i suck at it anyway, and will never enter a comp. So the money aspect doesn't bother me.But if it did become more popular. There'd be more demand for the sport.... meaning cheaper parts. But thats it.I also agree with Mat, even though my post is fairly large. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaRtZ Posted August 6, 2006 Report Share Posted August 6, 2006 whats wrong with posts that are short and to the point? am i missing somthing here? i REALLY cant be assed reading 90% of these massive works of literature. nice oneHave to say I dont like the idea of mass trials across the UK. It'll mean trials wont be as special as it once was. Also look at bmx, that started off being as small as trials was. Now look at it, all sorts of weird people involved there, and a fashion sense too?! Imagine riding trials in your favourite 3/4ers and your on a ride somewhere. then when you get there the riders all say "wtf you wearing? 3/4ers are what chavvy learners wear" or something like that. I want to go ride knowing that I'm different from everyone else. I have no idea where this 'team' thing came from but Im certain the last person in NMC who mentioned his "krew" (maybe with a 'c') got ABSOLUTLY SLATED. I ride with my mates because of the fact, they're my mates who ride trials. Not because they ride much better than me and I look cool with them. We don't just ride when we go out, we sit and chat and generally chill out. And bitch about forum people Right im going to stop so matt has no excuse not to read it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark W Posted August 6, 2006 Report Share Posted August 6, 2006 I don't really get why you think I was having a go at you Wayne, or your riding in that I didn't mention that at all, and didn't even mention anything to do with your sponsorship deals or anything or the sort, nor that I didn't give a shit about your opinion (even though you don't give a shit about mine? ), I was just asking some questions and raising a few points, which is exactly the same as what you were doing? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. Nick Riviera Posted August 6, 2006 Report Share Posted August 6, 2006 i am a toolabridged for the trials riders who can't be bothered.i'm only joking you great flanges, stop taking stuff so seriously Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Motivator Posted August 6, 2006 Report Share Posted August 6, 2006 It can't be bigger cause its shit.Well it's not, to us anyway, but to every other rider out there trials at the bottom of the shit heap with all the "gays hopping on there backwheels". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bionic Balls Posted August 6, 2006 Report Share Posted August 6, 2006 talking of going pro and spreading gospels etc....i hear andrei B is going "pro"(ish), as in being paid by Devon (i think) council to ride schools and events etc next year..that kind of stuff could bring trials to LOADS of people...adam Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yoyoyo Posted August 6, 2006 Report Share Posted August 6, 2006 Well it's not, to us anyway, but to every other rider out there trials at the bottom of the shit heap with all the "gays hopping on there backwheels".Thats because they are bmx'ers, they approach each obstacle with as much speed as possible.(No offence to any bmx'ers on here.)I'd like to see them do it slow and controlled. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark W Posted August 6, 2006 Report Share Posted August 6, 2006 You need to watch more recent BMX videos. The second "Lookit" link in my sig should help you on your way. People doing stuff that's far more tech than trials stuff but totally brakeless kind of takes the piss out of the "control" a lot of trials riders display... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yoyoyo Posted August 6, 2006 Report Share Posted August 6, 2006 That is as they say 'shit hot.'How did he stall on the front wheel and pull a tailwhip. Without a brake But still the momentum from the speed they go, must help partly to pull of the tricks. Whereas trials doesn't use it, makes it more of a challenge to get further and stuff.Makes me regret throwing away my bmx now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark W Posted August 6, 2006 Report Share Posted August 6, 2006 A lot of it is still technique though. You can just pedal faster to gap further to some extent, but only in the same way you could try kicking harder in trials, pretty much. With tech sorta stuff like the Eddie Cleveland section I'm guessing you're refering to, there's no real way of learning it aside from a shitload of practise. BMX is different to trials just in the way you've got to constantly learn new stuff to progress, whereas with trials you learn the basics then just try and do it better and bigger. Different kettle of fish Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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