Ewannnn Posted July 30, 2006 Report Share Posted July 30, 2006 (edited) 55mm bb rise and a choice of 1030 or 1010 wb... sounds good (for the adamant a3) Edited July 30, 2006 by Ewannnn Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JT! Posted July 31, 2006 Report Share Posted July 31, 2006 Anyone want to buy an echo team? Hardly used. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DangerousDave Posted July 31, 2006 Report Share Posted July 31, 2006 The trialsin shop tells me that ALL echo/zoo/gu/adamant/deng stock bikes will have 116mm (mod) spacing.So every stock bike coming from deng will only accept a mod hub. So no kinds, profiles, hopes and throw away any hub you have on your stock bike right now, unless...EVERYONE WHO THINKS ITS A GAY IDEA EMAILS HIM AND TELLS HIM SO Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Waddy Posted July 31, 2006 Report Share Posted July 31, 2006 i like the look of that adamant mod frame, geo sounds ok aswell. has no one spotted this yet? new python.............. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom Booth Posted July 31, 2006 Report Share Posted July 31, 2006 So every stock bike coming from deng will only accept a mod hub. So no kinds, profiles, hopes and throw away any hub you have on your stock bike right now, unless...Profile BMX hub, King bmx, new echo hub?I don't see the problem, the majority of stock riders run SS anyway and moan about not having horizontal dropouts. So whys everyone kicking up a fuss? If you dont like it, Don't buy it, preety simple to me.Frames look nice anyway, will be better to see the production model or a decently rendered CAD version. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Krisboats Posted July 31, 2006 Report Share Posted July 31, 2006 So it looks like in dengs eyes, that stock bikes should all become mod bikes with bigger wheels. No mech hangers (needed for some comps remember), horizontal dropouts, bb rise, and now a mod hub rear triangle spacing.The sad thing is the geometry sounds great... nice long wheelbase and medium bb rise which is comeplemented with short chainstays. I suppose from an strength perspective, the 116mm hub size would mean that theoretically the axle is stronger than a standard 135mm axle. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Walleee Posted July 31, 2006 Report Share Posted July 31, 2006 I asked in another thread about deng sponsoring comp rider and someone said he once stated that he didn't believe in the comp aspect so I guess it's not an issue for him. Do many stock comp rider's ride deng bike's anyway? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark W Posted July 31, 2006 Report Share Posted July 31, 2006 That "Comps = gears" thing is probably going to be void by '07 anyway. For UCI comps you can run singlespeed, so it's probably only a matter of time 'til BIU actually drags itself into the 21st century and joins in with the singlespeed allowance. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ben_travis Posted July 31, 2006 Report Share Posted July 31, 2006 i know of one who rides comps. . Not quite as frequently as the top comp rides savage, wayne, stan etc etc etc, but i ride the scottish NBTC competition series. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeCottTrials Posted July 31, 2006 Report Share Posted July 31, 2006 looks good, should be nice once its finished Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
t33zr Posted July 31, 2006 Report Share Posted July 31, 2006 Found this thread on observedtrials...oh my f**king god. all 2007 deng frames will have 116mm rear hub spacing + horizontal dropouts. horizontal dropouts are good, but 116mm spacing which reduces the hub choice to his crap or a bmx king is well, crap.http://www.panpa.com/index1.htmand now as one man all of us should write him at deng@echobike.com to let him know that he is an idiot and should change the lineup when he still can. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sir trial a lot Posted July 31, 2006 Report Share Posted July 31, 2006 Well............. looks like im sticking with my 2006 Python! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. Nick Riviera Posted July 31, 2006 Report Share Posted July 31, 2006 good business move though. limit us to his hubs. deng you fanny Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sponge Posted July 31, 2006 Author Report Share Posted July 31, 2006 Might as well have changed the topic title to suit the current discussion...I have doubts that snail cams can actually hold a 26" wheel firmly in place. I have seen and heard of 26" wheels to sometimes shift around in horizontal dropouts because the larger rim gives more leverage for the wheel to move about. Maybe one solution is to use a monstrously strong chain tug and cut out chunks of it to fit the CNC dropouts. Though I ride mod, I don't think its too great an idea, maybe Deng should make 2 options available: vertical or horizontal dropout... (courtesy of adrian jordan).Or we just all email Deng to stay with vertical. Or... maybe whoever knows the Zoo and Adamant team riders can ask them if it was their idea to have horizontal dropouts for stock? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mat Smith! Posted July 31, 2006 Report Share Posted July 31, 2006 All standard mod spacing for a rear hub is 116mm, it allows to snail cams/chain tugs to be fitted inside the frame aswell.Or..Is the 116mm for stock frames aswell..???It's for both I think.Will I still be able to run my King BMX? or is that different spacing? I'm sure it's the same.Mat Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mat hudson Posted July 31, 2006 Report Share Posted July 31, 2006 wtf is deng playing at. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ben_travis Posted July 31, 2006 Report Share Posted July 31, 2006 good business move though. limit us to his hubs. deng you fannyBAD business move Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mat hudson Posted July 31, 2006 Report Share Posted July 31, 2006 sarcasm travels badley. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ewannnn Posted July 31, 2006 Report Share Posted July 31, 2006 I agree with ben. Not many people will want to buy a new frame and have to get rid of a King or Hope Pro 2 hub to get one of his worse hubs.Not a smart idea. But i ride mod so i dont mind Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sponge Posted July 31, 2006 Author Report Share Posted July 31, 2006 wtf is deng playing at. It's highly likely that he wants to try something new, and perhaps start a 'revolution'...what with his splines/lockring system for his hubs already I have fears he'll do this to cranks someday... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sponge Posted July 31, 2006 Author Report Share Posted July 31, 2006 http://www.trials-forum.co.uk/forum/index....id=1011767&head over to the main discussion Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark W Posted July 31, 2006 Report Share Posted July 31, 2006 It doesn't limit you to one of his hubs. You could use a King BMX hub, you could use a Profile BMX hub (which are 114mm, btw, not the usual mod 110mm).Either way, everyone's crying about it meaning you have to use "Shit" drivetrain components, but hold on for just a sec - mods have always used BMX-y hub spacing, and people have good drivetrains on mods, so calm down already...I'd have thought that having a wide hub so you had a more stable wheel would've been better, but evidently he's not down with it. Maybe they just decided to follow 24seven's lead? THREAD MERGE TIME YAY Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark W Posted July 31, 2006 Report Share Posted July 31, 2006 I always thought spline + lockring fitted freewheels would make a 1000% more sense. One day maybe my dream will come true Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ben_travis Posted July 31, 2006 Report Share Posted July 31, 2006 Might as well have changed the topic title to suit the current discussion...I have doubts that snail cams can actually hold a 26" wheel firmly in place. I have seen and heard of 26" wheels to sometimes shift around in horizontal dropouts because the larger rim gives more leverage for the wheel to move about. Maybe one solution is to use a monstrously strong chain tug and cut out chunks of it to fit the CNC dropouts. Though I ride mod, I don't think its too great an idea, maybe Deng should make 2 options available: vertical or horizontal dropout... (courtesy of adrian jordan).Or we just all email Deng to stay with vertical. Or... maybe whoever knows the Zoo and Adamant team riders can ask them if it was their idea to have horizontal dropouts for stock?i certainly didnt. but im all for hangerless design. it might turn out to be good. it works on jump bikes. why not here. yes i know the different stress's and riding types. i quite like the look of it all other than the shitty mod spacing.which no-one reccomended at all.ALSO he has just brought out 135mm spaced rear stock hubs,. silly dengo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sponge Posted July 31, 2006 Author Report Share Posted July 31, 2006 I always thought spline + lockring fitted freewheels would make a 1000% more sense. One day maybe my dream will come true Damn, you merged the topics together just at the same time I was about to post my post , retype it... For the fixed rear hubs and possibly future crankarms, you won't be able to use screw-on freewheels such as ACS, ENO, Try-All, Tensile, etc.. Also, I bet anything that the lockring+splines will be mangled by people. (more like, Profile Racing's lockring )Let's hope that Deng has learnt his lesson, and has started to make threads that don't strip like 123. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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