Just Seen Martyn Ashton. (anyone Want To Download Manifesto)

[greavey]

40 mb for a dvd rip file the quality must be shocking and you must have skipped on audio as well. Yeah that crash mr ashton had put me off things for a bit, kinda shocking what you can do but ahh well its life.

Half an hours worth of dvd not 120 min. I made frame size smaller and kept audio. It was original converted for my micro-notebook

[The Duck]

Guys.. If you want Manefesto, go and BUY IT. Pirating scum.

Well if your so well of to go and buy it, when you can just download it for free (as the damage is already done anyway) maybe you'd like to buy me a copy?

Cheers - Pirate vewing scum

[Ross McArthur]

Yea I seen him do it for the first time for the public at the bike show on friday a couple of years ago.

Though Chris Akrigg didnt have the camera ready so he had to do it again right after!!!lol

[Si-man]

Well if your so well of to go and buy it, when you can just download it for free (as the damage is already done anyway) maybe you'd like to buy me a copy?

Cheers - Pirate vewing scum

It's only about £15 you cheap skate!!

Someone in for sale section is selling it for a 10er, thats f**k all!

[Rich Pearson]

2 points:

1) no-one really cares that you are putting manifesto online for people to download, people do the same thing every day with huge blockbuster movies, its just that your letting the whole world know about it by putting it on a public forum, which, if anyone decides to take action against you, will land you and anyone that has downloaded it in a world of shit.

2) shitloads of people have done backflips on trialsbikes at organised events. One of the Brisa riders backflipped a B26 about four years ago at an event.

Cool stuff though.

Rich

[F-Stop Junkie]

2 points:

1) no-one really cares that you are putting manifesto online for people to download, people do the same thing every day with huge blockbuster movies

I care, because by people getting a low rent ripped off copy rather than splashing just a few pounds (what, the same as 3 pints in a pub?) on a DVD, they're helping support a fellow trials rider. He'll make a few more quid, his video publisher will think making trials DVDs is a good thing so we'll get more trials DVDs, and we'll all benefit.

Trials DVDs don't make $300m worldwide, they sell in much smaller numbers so sales are more important.

[spode@thinkbikes]

2 points:

1) no-one really cares that you are putting manifesto online for people to download, people do the same thing every day with huge blockbuster movies, its just that your letting the whole world know about it by putting it on a public forum, which, if anyone decides to take action against you, will land you and anyone that has downloaded it in a world of shit.

2) shitloads of people have done backflips on trialsbikes at organised events. One of the Brisa riders backflipped a B26 about four years ago at an event.

Cool stuff though.

Rich

I seem to be getting in to quite a bit of flack for my comments here, but equally I get the impression a few agree. But I'm gonna stand by my guns anyway.

I think the big difference between your point number 1 and this scenario, really is the fact that trials DVDs are such a niche market that the damage done by people pirating it is considerably more noticable. As stated, it's not expensive and we owe it to riders like Ryan Leech to keep producing decent DVDs.

[greavey]

I seem to be getting in to quite a bit of flack for my comments here, but equally I get the impression a few agree. But I'm gonna stand by my guns anyway.

I think the big difference between your point number 1 and this scenario, really is the fact that trials DVDs are such a niche market that the damage done by people pirating it is considerably more noticable. As stated, it's not expensive and we owe it to riders like Ryan Leech to keep producing decent DVDs.

Anyone remember Watson and Crick. Well If they charged people to have access to the human genome, science would suffer and the information contained in the strand of deoxyribonucleic acid (DNA) would be for the preserve of the rich, and maybe that insulin your mum, dad or even another loved one was so dependant on couldn’t be synthesised by us scientist and administered to the them or would cost to much. My point being if Norco or anyone else making dvds wanted to push this unwanted love child of the cycle industry (TRIALS) to the mainstream, it would be free (Manifesto). Trials is an art with a science backbone Just like medicine.

[Mark W]

Anyone remember Watson and Crick. Well If they charged people to have access to the human genome, science would suffer and the information contained in the strand of deoxyribonucleic acid (DNA) would be for the preserve of the rich, and maybe that insulin your mum, dad or even another loved one was so dependant on couldn't be synthesised by us scientist and administered to the them or would cost to much. My point being if Norco or anyone else making dvds wanted to push this unwanted love child of the cycle industry (TRIALS) to the mainstream, it would be free (Manifesto). Trials is an art with a science backbone Just like medicine.

Slightly different context though, you'd have to agree?

[roby James124]

Hi

I have tried all the above links for manifesto and cant find it could you please give me a link which work.

Rob

[F-Stop Junkie]

That's quite a leap there Sir. If Norco were that keen to push trials into the public conciousness, don't you think they'd have given the DVD away themselves, and put a notice on the front asking people to spread it far and wide.

However, they haven't done either of these things. In fact, they've put a notice on the front telling the world that the movie is copyrighted, and spreading free copies around the world is actually a bad thing.

At the end of the day, people have put time and money into Manifesto, and it is their decision to sell it, it's not your value judgement to say if they were right or wrong. Also if you're acting for such a noble cause, why are you pushing it to the very people who are the intended purchasing audience, and not to the general public who might never see trials otherwise?

All I can do is repeat what I've said before. Trials is a small sport that depends on revenues from products like this to support the riders who put their time and effort in, the specialist retailers who sell these DVDs and good sales to pursuade video people to make more trials videos.

To use your analogy, you're taking money away from medical researchers and restricting the advances which could save lives and drive down costs. Medical science has the advantage of massive amounts of public money, grants, cheques from drug companies and charitable donations. Trials is about making the most of what we have, and supporting those who support the sport. By taking money away from them, you're hurting the sport.

And you call yourself a trials rider.

Gouranga, or Gauranga, originates in the the Hare Krishna religious movement, whose founding father, Shri Krishna Caitanya Mahaprabhu, was also called Gaura.

Good old wiki. But now i'm confused why he said it.

Cause he read it on a bridge?

[greavey]

I'm sensing One-Upmanship.

[Mark W]

...or that the attempt to just confuse people by talking randomly about the human genome project failed? Still have a bit to learn about the T-F community

[greavey]

...or that the attempt to just confuse people by talking randomly about the human genome project failed? Still have a bit to learn about the T-F community

every group will

1form

2 storm

3 norm

4 perform

T F is just a group psychology gone mad but i'm loving it. Yea I plagirised that off Mcdonalds

Edited July 24, 2006 by greavey

[Mark W]

Much the same as your reference to Gouranga and your reference to the human genome project, I again fail to see any relevance to this at all?

Seeing as it's a group of people, it's not surprising that you could equate the way that people react to things on here as being "group pscyhology" if you wanted to?

[F-Stop Junkie]

All none of it disturbed by one cock and his big words.

Enjoy NMC gravy, you'll be here a while methinks...

[greavey]

Much the same as your reference to Gouranga and your reference to the human genome project, I again fail to see any relevance to this at all?

Seeing as it's a group of people, it's not surprising that you could equate the way that people react to things on here as being "group pscyhology" if you wanted to?

Maybe your glasses are steamed up.

[F-Stop Junkie]

Maybe your glasses are steamed up.

Personal insults. The last refuge of the dammed.

[greavey]

All none of it disturbed by one cock and his big words.

Enjoy NMC gravy, you'll be here a while methinks...

Make some sense you junkie

Edited July 25, 2006 by greavey

[Mark W]

Haha, I was waiting for you to f**k up. Bye bye

[Si-man]

lmfao, what a fanny you are, havin fun being a NM for a veeeery long time

[F-Stop Junkie]

Make some sense you junkie

This from the man who posted this:

I bet someone has blutetoothed that mp3 track to your phone and yet that too is piratism.

GOURANGA

Lets look closely shall we? 1) Punctuation has completely vanished. Not suprisingly. 2) You have created the verb 'to bluetooth'. Please conjugate at will. 3) You have mis-used the word piratism and 4) You've added the name of a pseudo-religious group for no reason whatsoever.

Now who exactly isn't making sense?

[greavey]

This from the man who posted this:

Lets look closely shall we? 1) Punctuation has completely vanished. Not suprisingly. 2) You have created the verb 'to bluetooth'. Please conjugate at will. 3) You have mis-used the word piratism and 4) You've added the name of a pseudo-religious group for no reason whatsoever.

Now who exactly isn't making sense?

Sorry but your not the one with a med degree. Anyone for hypertrophic cardiomyopathies

Edited July 25, 2006 by greavey

[Mark W]

Have you suffered a blow to the head (or however you'd phrase it ) since your's then? Either way, you're getting a bit boring now. Thought I'd clicked the suspend option before but evidently not. My bad.

[Lee Cable]

and dude, have u seen the state of our hospitals...do you really think your big words are going to fix this? Another person ownaged by OBM, Long live OBM!