Smallville Posted June 28, 2006 Report Share Posted June 28, 2006 Im not sutch a big fan of the Magura Hs33 lever 05. Is it possible to run a Hope trial disc lever with the Magura brake or will it be crap? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zIp-AdE-dOo-DaR Posted June 28, 2006 Report Share Posted June 28, 2006 not to sure bout that always wanted to know though, dont think u can though, what bout upgrading ur lever to a rb design one or put a fresh products lever on it if its the 04 version or you can get various zoo/gu/echo/adamant if its an 05 version.see links belowhttp://82.110.105.16/tartybikes.co.uk/category.php?id=53http://freshproducts.co.uk/Brake%20Levers.htmlhope i helpedDan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
adamtrials Posted June 28, 2006 Report Share Posted June 28, 2006 (edited) It's possible, but not very easy as hope levers require dot4 and maggys require mineral oil.You could possibly run a water bleed, but you may screw the seals on the hope lever.And it is also likely that it would be a bitch to connect the two.Get an 04 lever, they rock the socks off 05 levers. Edited June 28, 2006 by adamtrials Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cox Posted June 28, 2006 Report Share Posted June 28, 2006 (edited) i would think as adamtrials said it may be possible although the hoses have different internal and external diameters and also with the hope being bled with dot fluid and the magura's with bio hydraulic mineral oil it using dot with the magura's would destroy them internally and using any other substance ie magura royal blood or water with the hope lever would inevitably just destroy the insides of that as well. also im not sure as to how the expansion of any fluid other than specified dot brake fluid would effect the hope lever im guessing it would not like it. so sticking with good old magura levers keep it simple no need to over complicate some thing. I would say that personaly even though i thought i would never say this the 05 levers are actualy a whole lot better than the previous incarnations as well simpley they seem to flex alot less meaning a lot more of the power you actualy put into pulling them goes into your rim! I have always wanted to try the RB design ergo f1 it looks cool and from what i've heard and the price of it! im guessing must be worth it, also with the new lever blades from GU, CZAR, ZOO!, and Adamant you can seriously pimp up the 05 levers Edited June 28, 2006 by cox Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flower Posted June 28, 2006 Report Share Posted June 28, 2006 (edited) Im not sutch a big fan of the Magura Hs33 lever 05. Is it possible to run a Hope trial disc lever with the Magura brake or will it be crap?no it wont work. If you used a old school c2 leaver then yes, because it runs on a closed system unlike the trial which works on an open pot system. (i may have the 2 mixed up) but thats irrelevent it wont work, well to a trials standard anyway. It will be like the ultimate spungy mess. Edited June 28, 2006 by flower Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the judge Posted June 28, 2006 Report Share Posted June 28, 2006 (edited) no it wont work. If you used a old school c2 leaver then yes, because it runs on a closed system unlike the trial which works on an open pot system. (i may have the 2 mixed up) but thats irrelevent it wont work, well to a trials standard anyway. It will be like the ultimate spungy mess.Yep, that's true. A HS33 is a closed system and a Hope Mono Trial is an open system. You cannot mix and match between open and closed systems as it would seriously reduce brake power and feel etc. Edited June 28, 2006 by the judge Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wright Pads Posted June 28, 2006 Report Share Posted June 28, 2006 Aghh use the f**king search please. it's what it's made forThis has been well documented by my self here and Leeson BikesYou need thus to make it workHope SPORT C2 leaver (the pro won;t work)Magura barb fittingO-ring to fit the threaded section of the barbWaterFit the o-riong on the barb, fit barb to leaver, bleed form salve to leave with the cap off, fit the cap then the dial then seal the magura, wind on 2 turns and you set to go. DON'T USE ANYHTING BUT WATER OR IT'LL DIE. THE SEALS WILL SWELL MORE THAN you MUMMA AND NOT MOVE.The brake will be very powerfull and is a must to run a booster. The leaver has a 10mm dia piston seel and is amazing!!!!!!!!!!!!Good luck in gettting a leaver. i have one spear whch is in my way and doing nowt, msn me if you want it.Please use the search more often Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ashley Smith Posted June 28, 2006 Report Share Posted June 28, 2006 it has been done, by me, it is not very good though, the best way to do it, is to use hopes new fittings that come with the braided hose, you have to have the pads set extremely close to the rim so your fudged if it buckles.................the lever feel is not very good it comes to the bars, this is due to the laver to pivot ration being sumwhat different,also with having a smaller psiton 9mm to be exact in the mini lever body the brake works quite well, in fact you do need a booster, the fact that you are mixing an open with a closed sytem does not really matter, although a c2 lever would work better, (these are still availble from most good bike shops) when i had mine on i ran it on mineral fluid, worked fine didnt really damage the hope seals, however i soon went back to using a magura body ( the older type )ash Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mtbjosh Posted June 28, 2006 Report Share Posted June 28, 2006 in other words pal its tough luck and dont bother trying haha. just put up with what you have. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wright Pads Posted June 28, 2006 Report Share Posted June 28, 2006 The mini leaver does not work nor will. It's open!!!!!!!!!!!!!! belive i've seen it tried by many and it just don;t work Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flower Posted June 29, 2006 Report Share Posted June 29, 2006 it has been done, by me, it is not very good though, the best way to do it, is to use hopes new fittings that come with the braided hose, you have to have the pads set extremely close to the rim so your fudged if it buckles.................the lever feel is not very good it comes to the bars, this is due to the laver to pivot ration being sumwhat different,also with having a smaller psiton 9mm to be exact in the mini lever body the brake works quite well, in fact you do need a booster, the fact that you are mixing an open with a closed sytem does not really matter, although a c2 lever would work better, (these are still availble from most good bike shops) when i had mine on i ran it on mineral fluid, worked fine didnt really damage the hope seals, however i soon went back to using a magura body ( the older type )ashAre you a total idiot? Try reading the above posts Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Caleb Posted June 29, 2006 Report Share Posted June 29, 2006 How did the brake work for you pete?you had a set on your pash did you not? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
adamtrials Posted June 29, 2006 Report Share Posted June 29, 2006 The mini leaver does not work nor will. It's open!!!!!!!!!!!!!! belive i've seen it tried by many and it just don;t workI trust ash more seeing as he has tryed it and has more relation to hope...Although I seem to remember a while ago you claimed to have some family member working at hope? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wright Pads Posted June 29, 2006 Report Share Posted June 29, 2006 (edited) Hope seals will not work with anyhting but DOT 4 or 5 and WATER. Mineral oil makes them swell. Care to prove me wrong, go f**king do it. If you can run your disc or leaver no matter what model be it:-02 C2XC4M4DH4Mono trialsMono miniMono M4Mono 6TiI'll send you new seals to replace what you will have killed if it is working after 24 hours to a 1 week (7 days!!!)Umm how is Ash conected with Hope then? I sit in luye to surplie them with there new pads yet again, i also surplie there market with after market/replacable pads. In fact EBC surplie them with the shoes for there backing made by the sub Spanish ferm they are currently using (soon to change). I have been involed personly with Hope all my life seeing as i'm related to them bye family. Both the guys that started it all off back in the 80's Ian and Alan are my distant relations being my Uncle's.Oh and if my knowleg and personal experinec of the MINERAIL OIL NOT WORKING AND MAKING HOPE SEALS SWELL BE IT IN THE LEAVER OR CALIPER GO SPEAK TO Mr CLIVE LEESON OF LEESONBIKES.CO.UKHe was the one thats made it happen and kick it off and start it. They did it on a one off MOD bke they built. he got custom seals to run mineral oil and made some fititngs for the hose...so go speak to him.In answers to Caleb yep i had it on both my Pashly 26mhz with a Surly Large Marge rim and i also ran it on my Coust V2. Pics below show it on the bikes and in use. it worked so well as you can see in the pics it really did hold. Also pics show the leaver as it is now which is sittilg on my desk as it happens and the fititng and o-ring you need for it.No other hope leaver made will run/work. Magura HS are all clossed be it, 11/12/33 system used. The slaves are all the same and are all closed as are the leavers. only a Hope Sport C2 will work due to1. Has a TPA being the sliver C2 cap2. Has the same piston travel and movement as a HS series Magura leaver3. Has a 10mm piston4. IS A CLOSSED SYSTEM02 pro or sport leaver, Mini leavers will not work as they are all open. Pros have very small piston movement and the Mini is a 6mm piston and moves sod all. All this data can be gotten from www.hopetech.com in PDF format.There you go Caleb mate, pics and some info for you. I await to be stood ''corrected'' Edited June 29, 2006 by Wright Pads Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
adamtrials Posted June 29, 2006 Report Share Posted June 29, 2006 Umm how is Ash conected with Hope then? I sit in luye to surplie them with there new pads yet again, i also surplie there market with after market/replacable pads. In fact EBC surplie them with the shoes for there backing made by the sub Spanish ferm they are currently using (soon to change). I have been involed personly with Hope all my life seeing as i'm related to them bye family. Both the guys that started it all off back in the 80's Ian and Alan are my distant relations being my Uncle's.I thought you worked in a bike shop?And can I ring hope and ask for Ian or Alan and they will tell me that they are related to you?Likewise if I ring EBC will they tell me your the founders son? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wright Pads Posted June 29, 2006 Report Share Posted June 29, 2006 I thought you worked in a bike shop?And can I ring hope and ask for Ian or Alan and they will tell me that they are related to you?Likewise if I ring EBC will they tell me your the founders son?I do/did./ Am closing it down currently.Have you any of idea how much it will get in the way of there day to day running of the busines?? If you had some calling you or more than one (more than likely with the muppets here form this thread) harasing them all day are you so and so and you related to these. How old are you....please don;t make stpuied threats. Think befor you do and say anyhting. if you under 10 then okay i'll allow it but if you over which you are you need a f**king life, some pointing in the right direction and so much more. Or maybe the treatment you threatening to give these people when they havent done anyhting to you Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
adamtrials Posted June 29, 2006 Report Share Posted June 29, 2006 It wasnt a threat, I'm actually going to call them tomorrow. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the judge Posted June 29, 2006 Report Share Posted June 29, 2006 surplie = supply Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Caleb Posted June 29, 2006 Report Share Posted June 29, 2006 Why does everyone have to try and pick on him, just for spelling pretty sad at the end of the the day, and lets no go into any other reasons . .seems Pete is the only one of done this on the forum which is an achievement in my eyes, especially as had it working.lmao just noticed the womans face in the first picture .i do love them levers had one on the rear of my dmr for my c2 and the adjustment was fool proof.yeah you cant run mineral oil in hope levers/callipers as said by many it will kill the seals.however hope have released a new set of selas that will allow you to do so with water and possibly mineral oil as both can be used in maggies and im guessing the seals will be the same material.Cant believe you got that beast of a rim in the pash.i remeber running a 721 with a michellin 24 and it nearly rubbing on the inside of the stays .Cheers Calebsurplie = supplyactually if you check out the joke thread it's supplies Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mike425 Posted June 29, 2006 Report Share Posted June 29, 2006 Clive leeson gave me a hope C2 lever on a magura hs33 to try out years ago, its been done loads of times, yes it increases the breaking power of the magura although it does put more strain on the frame... booster sorted that though. The new mini levers wont workmike Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wright Pads Posted June 30, 2006 Report Share Posted June 30, 2006 Bigman custom drilling65mm WIDE!!!!!!!Lots light Uber stiffRan with a maxis 2.7'' and it fitted the pash and coust just Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the judge Posted June 30, 2006 Report Share Posted June 30, 2006 Bigman custom drilling65mm WIDE!!!!!!!Lots light Uber stiffRan with a maxis 2.7'' and it fitted the pash and coust justGot any closer pics? It looks rather funky Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wright Pads Posted June 30, 2006 Report Share Posted June 30, 2006 I'll try if i get time to inabit, i'm away this weekend back home seeing some family and mates and all that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
balfa Posted June 30, 2006 Report Share Posted June 30, 2006 Bigman custom drilling65mm WIDE!!!!!!!Lots light Uber stiffRan with a maxis 2.7'' and it fitted the pash and coust justHow did you fit that to a Pashley? Did you bend the chain stays? I can barely fit in 2.35 High rollers on my pash. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wright Pads Posted June 30, 2006 Report Share Posted June 30, 2006 Yep, car torlly jack to prise them apart Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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