Mark W Posted June 19, 2006 Report Share Posted June 19, 2006 How much would salt corrosion really do to an aluminium hub shell though? (Assuming they are aluminium :$) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ashley Smith Posted June 19, 2006 Report Share Posted June 19, 2006 (edited) How much would salt corrosion really do to an aluminium hub shell though? (Assuming they are aluminium :$)you would be quite surprised, plus incorrect/overtightening/ radial lacing of spokes can easliy cause a shell to crack, ive seen it done many times really, if im correct in thinking , wayne also had a shell crack on a pro 2...and yes they are aluminium , what else do you expect them to be whem they are anodised?ash Edited June 19, 2006 by trialnoir Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark W Posted June 19, 2006 Report Share Posted June 19, 2006 Yeah, I was almost certain they were, but just thought I'd cover my back Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hobnobs Posted June 19, 2006 Report Share Posted June 19, 2006 I know its only from my experience and im a naive child n all that, but i never heard of many people cracking the shells of the mono's and xc's. Does the extra force of the strengthened pawls n the like mean more force onto the shell? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tipus Posted June 19, 2006 Report Share Posted June 19, 2006 We want pics Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dan Clark Posted June 19, 2006 Report Share Posted June 19, 2006 Skips a full rotation? How is that possible on a pawl and spring hub without some maaaaaaaaajor breakage?First it was skip at all, then break, now skip a full rotation Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shaun H Posted June 19, 2006 Report Share Posted June 19, 2006 you can quote me on that, ive helped develop these hubs over 18 months........... if your hub does honestly skip, and through a mechanical failure, and you can show me evidence , i will eat my pro 2.......ashSorry I'm very very bored and bed dodging. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Shrewsbury Posted June 20, 2006 Report Share Posted June 20, 2006 I too snapped a bb, me and porter didnt hav a gd day in bristol. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rich Pearson Posted June 20, 2006 Report Share Posted June 20, 2006 ehm, orite.. What really happened?Porter tapped one of the walls in castle park, turned around and came back down. All fine. On his next attempt a bit further along, he began to pedal and realised his cranks were rotating but he was, as such, not actually moving anywhere. On closer inspection a bloody girt off crack on the drive side flange was slowly spreading acroos the hub body. As we prodded and poked it the hub began to completely come to pieces as the pedals rotated and the internals just mangled themselves. So, in response to Ash eating his Pro 2, the hub DID skip but only as a result of the hubshell cracking first. Ash still has to pick up the knife and fork in relation to all the other peoples who have skipped though....Oh yeah, and John's BB snapping was mental.Rich Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ben_travis Posted June 20, 2006 Report Share Posted June 20, 2006 (edited) james porter is fatEDIT: and southern Edited June 20, 2006 by ben@hulltrials Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tomm Posted June 20, 2006 Report Share Posted June 20, 2006 obviously not up to standard, if you cared to look back i said that i would eat the hub if it skipped and skipped properly, i.e. a full rotation, i did not mention any hub shell, i have seen the new hub shells go already, i.e. due to salt corrosionBollocks. Salt corrosion my arse. Just face it that you were wrong when you said the Hope hubs would be indestructible. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ashley Smith Posted June 20, 2006 Report Share Posted June 20, 2006 Bollocks. Salt corrosion my arse. Just face it that you were wrong when you said the Hope hubs would be indestructible.bollocks? hmm you seem to know a hell of a lot about the mechanical failure of these hubs and bicycle products? i said a number of reasons... i.e. salt corrosion which has been seen on many hope hubs, i can name a few peoples, one being ryan smiths, which happened quite recently, one of danny smiths old king shells has split. They have the possiblity of failing through poor quality materials, (this was told to me by hope yesterday) they have had a number of occurances where, material has been porous, therefore propogating a crack, this cannot be helped..... also incorrect tensioning and lacing of wheels contributes towards cracking..at the end of the day a shell has broken, it is one out of thousands which has broken, fair enough 3 or 4 bearings have also broken within the freehub body, this has been adressed at hope and is being altered to a needle bearing, but to be honest thats not a lot to break out of the thousands that they have made, i would still class them as a solid hub, these hubs are that popular that they are struggling to get hold of the material to machine them Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CBProductions Posted June 20, 2006 Report Share Posted June 20, 2006 I think we should just give the blokes at hope a break!! Ok somethings broke wooo peee , look at downhill there are frames and parts that have lifetime warranties and are ment to be indesctructable that break get over it you big pigeons and show some love for the people who make an effort to produce better and alternative products Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tomm Posted June 20, 2006 Report Share Posted June 20, 2006 bollocks? hmm you seem to know a hell of a lot about the mechanical failure of these hubs and bicycle products? i said a number of reasons... i.e. salt corrosion which has been seen on many hope hubs, i can name a few peoples, one being ryan smiths, which happened quite recently, one of danny smiths old king shells has split. They have the possiblity of failing through poor quality materials, (this was told to me by hope yesterday) they have had a number of occurances where, material has been porous, therefore propogating a crack, this cannot be helped..... also incorrect tensioning and lacing of wheels contributes towards cracking..at the end of the day a shell has broken, it is one out of thousands which has broken, fair enough 3 or 4 bearings have also broken within the freehub body, this has been adressed at hope and is being altered to a needle bearing, but to be honest thats not a lot to break out of the thousands that they have made, i would still class them as a solid hub, these hubs are that popular that they are struggling to get hold of the material to machine themI'm not saying that the Pro II hubs are bad, in fact I'm sure they're really decent for the money. All I was saying was that perhaps you went a bit over the top when you announced that they were indestructible. To defend it with ever more tenuous excuses (overly tight spokes, salt corrosion) is just a bit lame. If any other product had broken, it wouldn't have been as funny, but the hype that surrounded this hub was laughable.If you hadn't kicked up such a fuss in the first place about how amazing these hubs were, then I'm sure this broken hub wouldn't have got so much attention And that is all I will say on the matter. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mtbjosh Posted June 20, 2006 Report Share Posted June 20, 2006 ^^seconded, basically, a skip is a skip, the hub skipped, you need to eat one mallet, face the facts you said so many a time on our rides and arguents which were usually started by me that these hope hubs are bladi bla bla there are indestructable and wont skip bla bla, salt corrosion baah you also said something else which i cant remember, but ill have a look, you need to eat one if that is possible, maybe grinding it up and washing it down with soup is acceptable. P Fu**ing S dont go and have a doo at me Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shaun H Posted June 20, 2006 Report Share Posted June 20, 2006 (edited) A man once ate an entire light aircraft over a year so, I'm sure a Hope Pro II can be done. Edited June 20, 2006 by Shaun H Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Janson Posted June 21, 2006 Report Share Posted June 21, 2006 Considering how easy they break, they should be no match for the knife and forks either. jokes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dai the Socket Posted June 21, 2006 Report Share Posted June 21, 2006 Considering how easy they break, they should be no match for the knife and forks either. jokes.HAHAHA! That was amusing.Sounds like Tomm's right, and Ash is wrong. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tony Harrison Posted June 21, 2006 Report Share Posted June 21, 2006 I'm sure they're good hubs, but then all hubs can be broken.I still don't decide why 'everyone' decided to ditch their kings for them... seemed a bit like jumping the gun to me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
anzo Posted June 21, 2006 Report Share Posted June 21, 2006 I'm sure they're good hubs, but then all hubs can be broken.Ditto. They're not going to be wank. Porter is a f**king good rider, the hubs aren't designed for long term 'professional' use...or, in other words, very heavy abuse compared to what 98% of the users will use it for. Do you think rally drivers keep the same tyres for months on end?...its a similar circumstance.All trials parts are overpriced peices of wank, however most of us are too up our own arses and like to think we know everything about everything to do with trials parts and slag every hub/bar/frame/stem/pad/crank/bb/fork/rim/spoke/chain ect off, when really, they know nothing.If you think you can do better why don't you spend the thousands and thousands of pounds into designing, developing, manufacturing, testing products? Nahh, thought not. Honest to god, what do people actually expect? An indestructable hub in every possible circumstance?I'm not moaning at anyone imparticular (I've not fully read the thread), just anyone who feels the need to boycott companies for making trials parts. If you have a problem with your hub, Email hope, I'm sure they'll find it very helpful in preventing the problems in the future. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ben_travis Posted June 21, 2006 Report Share Posted June 21, 2006 good point anzo.porter is still getting fatter though..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dave33 Posted June 21, 2006 Report Share Posted June 21, 2006 marine grade alu is whats needed here Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tipus Posted June 21, 2006 Report Share Posted June 21, 2006 good point anzo.porter is still getting fatter though.....you are fat............... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
James_Porter Posted June 21, 2006 Report Share Posted June 21, 2006 god this topic is boring, yes it broke... wow. please give it a rest... hope have done us proud to create the hub, it wasnt easy for them to do im guessing... and i do weigh 12stone... so you know, bens right. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ali C Posted June 21, 2006 Report Share Posted June 21, 2006 light weight!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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