Joey B Posted June 18, 2006 Report Share Posted June 18, 2006 I have heard of people using water to bleed there maguras instead of oil. Is there some type of benefit of doing this or is just being done as a quick temporary fix? Joe Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Connor Posted June 18, 2006 Report Share Posted June 18, 2006 (edited) h2o as a long term warter is the way to go Edited June 18, 2006 by Snowy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deonn h Posted June 18, 2006 Report Share Posted June 18, 2006 Use the search and you will find loads of these topics.You won`t get a straight awnser.You will just get opinions.IMO water is better. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnBanks Posted June 18, 2006 Report Share Posted June 18, 2006 Hello I posted this like a week ago use the search Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaRtZ Posted June 18, 2006 Report Share Posted June 18, 2006 (edited) .Water.EDIT: why cant you change the colour + the size of words? Edited June 18, 2006 by PaRtZ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BIG L Posted June 18, 2006 Report Share Posted June 18, 2006 Defenetly water it runs well smoother!!Hope ive helped Cheers BIG L Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
future orange 660 Posted June 18, 2006 Report Share Posted June 18, 2006 Hello I posted this like a week ago use the search somone has already said about using the search, whislt on the subject of useless posts. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Danny Swindlehurst Posted June 19, 2006 Report Share Posted June 19, 2006 (edited) its best that you use oil in the winter and water in the summer,if you do use the water in the winter you are most likley to find your brake frozen in the frist 5 minites it better in the winter to use the magura blood or some other light oils..................in winter BUT USE WATER IN THE SUMMER DEFFO!danny Edited June 19, 2006 by Danny Swindlehurst Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ash-Kennard Posted June 19, 2006 Report Share Posted June 19, 2006 use oil, it won't freeze, it keeps your brakes in warrenty, it won't make your internals rust, and a water is two hydrogen and one oxygen unless you want air in your brake use oil.the only downside is it is abit sluggish. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark W Posted June 19, 2006 Report Share Posted June 19, 2006 What does water being made of two hydrogen atoms being covalently bonded to one water atom have to do with anything? Equally, for the internals to rust (which doesn't happen?), you'd have to have air in there as well anyway, so if you can actually bleed a brake you should be fine.Just out of curiosity Ash, how would Magura know you'd used water?With anti-freeze, it doesn't freeze either Interesting poll Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sunn_bmixx Posted June 19, 2006 Report Share Posted June 19, 2006 just use oil as this is what the brakes are designed for and you cant actaully feel the difference untill the water freezes and then your brakes dont work. And if you are trying to overcome spongy brake then get a booster and set your brakes up properly and get some good pads. And search for previous topics as i did comment on this issue.Thanks, hope it helpsIan Bloomfield Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joey B Posted June 19, 2006 Author Report Share Posted June 19, 2006 Thanks for all the help guys i'm going to take sunn_bmixx's advice and buy a brake booster and hopefully some new pads, as it was a spongy feeling that i hoped water might solve. has anyone got any recommendations for pads. (that will work well on a smooth rim) Joe Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark W Posted June 19, 2006 Report Share Posted June 19, 2006 What? You're actually trying to say there's no difference between oil and water? That's blatantly a lie They're different liquids, and they DO feel different to each other! Water has a far faster lever response, simply because it's totally different to mineral oil. The "They're made to work with oil" thing doesn't mean shit either, by the way... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sunn_bmixx Posted June 19, 2006 Report Share Posted June 19, 2006 RB booster from tartybikes.co.uk along with some koxx browns for good grip and long life, and see how it goes. Should be good. Make sure you measure your frame for the booster, all measurements are on the site and happy riding mate Ian Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark W Posted June 19, 2006 Report Share Posted June 19, 2006 Not trying to be arguementative here or anything, but RB boosters don't really work too well. Something like the Echo Team booster would probably eliminate more flex, which is what you're after... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sunn_bmixx Posted June 19, 2006 Report Share Posted June 19, 2006 its all debatable as the RB is good on weight and does stop flex as you do have to set it up properly not just put it on!Ian Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark W Posted June 19, 2006 Report Share Posted June 19, 2006 My RB stopped bugger all flex compared to my Team booster, having gone straight from one to the other? How do you mean you have to "set it up properly"?The RB weighs 68g and the Echo Team 84g, to be fair. That's not really much difference, but the Team does seem to eliminate a load more flex... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sunn_bmixx Posted June 19, 2006 Report Share Posted June 19, 2006 well, as in the whole brake, otherwise the callipers will flex and consequently will not reduce much 'flex'. And it all depends on the frame and if you can afford to add the extra weight of the echo.Ian Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark W Posted June 19, 2006 Report Share Posted June 19, 2006 Yeah, but the set-up thing applies to anything? The Echo is simply better designed to reduce flex compared to the RB, basically. The 16g also isn't going to make any difference at all. You'd probably make that up anyway from the fact you need 4 longs bolts and 4 spacers to run an RB booster, but only 2 long bolts and spacers and 2 short ones for the Team? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaRtZ Posted June 19, 2006 Report Share Posted June 19, 2006 Everyone says that the XTR booster works craply but mine seems really good Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark W Posted June 19, 2006 Report Share Posted June 19, 2006 I thought everyone liked the XTR booster, hence there being bidding wars and stuff for them back in the day when they first started getting used on trials brakes? I seem to remember Ad Read profitting nicely from having a couple of them, then selling them on Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joey B Posted June 19, 2006 Author Report Share Posted June 19, 2006 Sounds like bleeding with water is the way to go. will a shop do it for me or should i purchase a bleeding kit. I had a look on "Tarty Bikes" at some brake boosters and as i'm currently doing up my Onza T-Pro with a black and gold colour scheme i want to try a gold brake booster. has anyone had any experience with the Czar 4-Bolt Brake Booster. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark W Posted June 19, 2006 Report Share Posted June 19, 2006 You'd probably be better off doing it yourself. Just buy the bleed kit and you're away. Don't forget to thoroughly empty the Magura first though, as if you bleed with water straight after using oil, the residue of the oil can mix with the water and create a white gunk that slows your brake down. If you clean it out properly, or give it a quick bleed again a week or 2 after first bleeding it with water, you should be fine.You may want to give Tarty a call and double check if the Czar booster has enough tyre clearance for a mod. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ash-Kennard Posted June 19, 2006 Report Share Posted June 19, 2006 What does water being made of two hydrogen atoms being covalently bonded to one water atom have to do with anything? Equally, for the internals to rust (which doesn't happen?), you'd have to have air in there as well anyway, so if you can actually bleed a brake you should be fine.Just out of curiosity Ash, how would Magura know you'd used water?With anti-freeze, it doesn't freeze either Interesting pollmmm... maybe, but there is still air in the brake right? there has to be because of the oxygen atom.my maggie would tell me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark W Posted June 19, 2006 Report Share Posted June 19, 2006 mmm... maybe, but there is still air in the brake right? there has to be because of the oxygen atom.my maggie would tell me. We went through all this with Waynio... the water particles don't break down, and why aren't you concerned about the hydrogen atoms as well, seeing as they're a gas too? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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