deanie-b Posted June 17, 2006 Report Share Posted June 17, 2006 Hi !I basicaly want to buy a game or two (cheaply) that I can play online , Must be shoot-em-ups.Counterstrike and stuff like that ? Cheers! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barbra Posted June 17, 2006 Report Share Posted June 17, 2006 counter strike: sourcebattlefield 2Both excellent games, i currently don't have bf2 installed but i'll get it done this week and get xfire sorted Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Synergy Posted June 17, 2006 Report Share Posted June 17, 2006 call of duty uo or call of duty 2. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Si-man Posted June 17, 2006 Report Share Posted June 17, 2006 Return to castle wolfenstein: Enemy Territory.Is free BF2, CS:S, Unreal Tournament (any of them)You will need a decentish spec computer though to run BF2 and unreal smoothly though Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
munkee Posted June 17, 2006 Report Share Posted June 17, 2006 Source is awesome, shame valve cant release and update without putting a new bug in to the engine. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Siders77 Posted June 17, 2006 Report Share Posted June 17, 2006 That's the same as BF2 then. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Si-man Posted June 17, 2006 Report Share Posted June 17, 2006 That's the same as BF2 then. Haha, i got some new mods for BF2 if your interested...Project reality mini mod (PRMM), and UNI, new weapons, maps, vehicles, an theyre free!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Siders77 Posted June 17, 2006 Report Share Posted June 17, 2006 Sounds good. I'll buzz you on XFire Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tomm Posted June 17, 2006 Report Share Posted June 17, 2006 Will BF2 work ok on an Athlon 64 3200+, 1Gb ram, 9800XT? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Siders77 Posted June 17, 2006 Report Share Posted June 17, 2006 Yeh should do. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Krisboats Posted June 17, 2006 Report Share Posted June 17, 2006 Far Cry is pretty good too... looks nice. Quake 4 is a pretty decent game, and the online multiplayer is okay too... quite fast paced which is always good.F.E.A.R. has a multiplayer mode but its not very good at all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lawnmowerman Posted June 17, 2006 Report Share Posted June 17, 2006 Wolfenstein enemy territory or unreal tournament game of the year edition. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deanie-b Posted June 17, 2006 Author Report Share Posted June 17, 2006 Was thinking of CS source.Already have a steam account , $9.95 seems very cheap ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deanie-b Posted June 17, 2006 Author Report Share Posted June 17, 2006 Just realised it's 19.95Erm , Will the original Counterstrike do ? I just want multiplayer play. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Krisboats Posted June 17, 2006 Report Share Posted June 17, 2006 Counter strike 1.6 is okay but i don't like how it looks so shit. get yourself a copy of half life 2, it comes with counter strike source as well.ebay link 1ebay link 2ebay link 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CBProductions Posted June 17, 2006 Report Share Posted June 17, 2006 Red Alert 2 is good for giggles , also tiberian sun e.t.c Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
munkee Posted June 17, 2006 Report Share Posted June 17, 2006 Definitely spend the money on buying source, i bought it and have been playing it now for 2 years and i still am not bored of it. ITs easily the best multiplayer game out at the moment.. sorry BF2 guys Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
poopipe Posted June 17, 2006 Report Share Posted June 17, 2006 Definitely spend the money on buying source, i bought it and have been playing it now for 2 years and i still am not bored of it. ITs easily the best multiplayer game out at the moment.. sorry BF2 guysagreed. CS:S is absolutely brilliant and occasionally buggy.BF2 on the other hand is a bug ridden, laggy piece of shit that is occasionally brilliant.i recommend buying both but if its one or t'other then CS:S will cause you less pain and more fun. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeCottTrials Posted June 17, 2006 Report Share Posted June 17, 2006 DAY OF DEFEAT is really good but you wont get much better than counter strike Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCOTTY___ Posted June 17, 2006 Report Share Posted June 17, 2006 (edited) Get Counter-Strike and it also comes with Condition Zero which is basically the same but better grafix and updated maps etc, also alot less bugs and flaws with the game.. And its only $9.95 for the two If you get any of these two games, when you bring console down type these command or you will be kicked or banned from most servers; rate 20000 cl_updaterate 80 cl_cmdrate 80 Also CZ is mega im Clan leader and if you need any info drop me a PM Also CS:S is a good game aswell but personally dont like it. The grafix and the looks are supreisngly good, but the game play and the realisticness to the aiming isnt great at all, aim at toes = headshots Edited June 17, 2006 by Echo_Scotty Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr_Pitbull Posted June 17, 2006 Report Share Posted June 17, 2006 BF2 annoys me i never play it no more, DOD is the best by far, CZ is now my fav . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Siders77 Posted June 17, 2006 Report Share Posted June 17, 2006 If you get any of these two games, when you bring console down type these command or you will be kicked or banned from most servers; rate 20000 cl_updaterate 80 cl_cmdrate 80 Why, what does that do? BF2 annoys me i never play it no more, DOD is the best by far, CZ is now my fav . Yeh, BF2 is starting to get annoying for me, too. Apparently there's a new patch coming out next month with a new infantry only map free. The patch also sorts out the major bugs too. I played DOD: S when it was free through Steam and it was awesome, might have to buy it soon. Same with CS: S Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
munkee Posted June 17, 2006 Report Share Posted June 17, 2006 The grafix and the looks are supreisngly good, but the game play and the realisticness to the aiming isnt great at all, aim at toes = headshots lol thats because it is realistic.. recoil on an AK can give tha effect every time you have to point down when throwing out loads of bullets from that gun Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCOTTY___ Posted June 17, 2006 Report Share Posted June 17, 2006 Why, what does that do? Explains what your rates actually mean and what loss and choke are (with examples)RatesA lot of people always ask what rates are, what values to use, etc. I thought it would benefit a lot of people if a guide was written explaining what everything means. This is so people are not simply just told what values to use without understanding what they actually mean.DefinitionsLets start with some definitions:rate is the maximum limit of bytes per second the server can send to the client.cl_rate sets a maxiumum limit of bytes per second the client can send the server. (You don't need to worry about this value)cl_cmdrate is the number of times per second the client informs the server of its actions.cl_updaterate is the number of times per second the server tells the client what's been going on in the map.I'm assuming most people have ADSL or cable here I will use ADSL as an example and so I will assume everyone has a downstream of 512kb/s and an upstream of 256kb/s but you can do all this maths with cable and lower connection speeds as well (just need to sub in different values). I am going to tell you now that it is best to set the values for rate, cl_updaterate and cl_cmdrate as high as possible because this allows for a fairer game and more importantly it makes your bullets more likely to register on the other players. I'll now show you why!rateIn theory an ADSL connection should easily be able to support a rate of 25000. You can work this out my taking the value for rate, which is measured in bytes per second. This then needs to be converted in to kilobytes per second.25000 /1024 = 24.4140625kB/sIn theory your connection runs at 512 kilobits per second (in reality it will actually run slower than this). I'll convert this in to kilobytes per second:512 / 8 = 64kB/sNow you can see that your connection could have 2.62 people running off it using a rate of 25000 (64 / 24.414 = 2.62). You can use the same calculations for cl_rate but there's no point, the default value of 9999 is good enough.cl_updaterateNext you want to set values for cl_updaterate and cl_cmdrate. updaterate defines how many updates per second you can get from the server. It is obviously best to get as many updates from the server as possible because this gives you a more accurate picture of where everyone one is and where their bullets are going. However, if you have a high updaterate and a low rate then you will not be able to send much data per update and any benefit of having a high updaterate will be minimised. Lets use an example to make it more clear.If I set my cl_updaterate to 100 and my rate to 25000 in theory each update can contain up to 250bytes of data (25000 / 100 = 250). Again, the more data you get per update the more accurate your view of the gaming world (not that this will particularly affect what you see much but it will have some affect on where your bullets end up hitting). In version 1.3 it was estimated that when you have a lot of action on screen you can use as much as 175bytes per update. So if you have a high updaterate you need a high rate to match it.Using the data from 1.3, if you have an updaterate of 100 you should have a rate of at least 17500 but it's better to be safe than sorry and set this value a bit higher. I recommend 20000 as a minimum (to work out what value to use for you rate take your cl_updaterate and multiply it by 175 and then add at least another 2000 to it to be safe).cl_cmdratecl_cmdrate works the same as cl_updaterate. Basically, it defines how many updates per second you send to the server. So again you want this value to be as high as possible. The more updates you send to the server the better information it has about what you are doing and where your bullets are going. This value is even more important than cl_updaterate in my eyes.As with cl_updaterate and rate you can work out the maximum amount of data which each update can contain. So if you have a cl_cmdrate of 100 and your cl_rate is 9999 then each update can contain 99.99bytes of data (9999 / 100 = 99.99). This should be enough for your needs because you send less data to the server than it sends you.Choke and lossNow we will look at choke and lose. Choke tells you the number of updates not sent in either direction because the communication link is saturated. Loss tells you the number of updates which were sent but never reached their destination. Choke is more important than loss because you are flooding the connection and it can't cope with all the data. This means that it is best to reduce the values of your rates. Loss is not so important and if you're getting lots of loss then the connection between you and the server isn't very good. Both choke and loss can be caused by using rates which are too high or too low.I recommend you try using values of:rate 25000cl_updaterate 100cl_cmdrate 100If these values are causing you choke or a loss of loss then start to reduce the values. I would not venture below:rate 14000cl_updaterate 70cl_cmdrate 70You can check choke and lose with net_graph 3. Each server is different so if you're really concerned about choke and loss just bring up net_graph and adjust your rates a bit if you're suffering from either of these.ex_interpAnother values which needs setting in 1.6 is ex_interp. I won't bother explaining interp to you because I've written enough about rates. They have fixed interp in 1.6 and as a result it is wrong to use the default value of 0.1. You work out the correct value for ex_interp by dividing 1 by your cl_updaterate. Some examples:cl_updaterate 1001 / 100 = 0.01ex_interp 0.01cl_updaterate 701 / 70 = 0.014ex_interp 0.014You might find with using a lower value for ex_interp makes people appear to be a little jerky. To counter this affect raise your value of ex_interp but try and keep it as close to the correct value as possible.I hope that's cleared things up for most of you if not all of you Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tomm Posted June 17, 2006 Report Share Posted June 17, 2006 The only time I have ever had to do that is when I got told by a server admin to change my rates. So I did and I never had any trouble before. From reading that you would think it's something every CS player is supposed to understand. Don't worry about it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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